Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Dave Funk
In part because headers added by servers not trusted by local SA may be considered advisory but not trusted for hard local judgements. IE a remote MTA server can put anything in the headers that they want, only trust what you find from your local trusted MTA On Wed, 29 Jan 2025, Tom Williams

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Tom Williams via users
Hi!  Casual observer here, but I have a question about the headers. On 1/29/25 12:23 AM, Niamh Holding wrote: (snip) Authentication-Results: spf=softfail (sender IP is 2a01:111:f403:48::209) smtp.mailfrom=euroland.fr; dkim=pass (signature was verified) header.d=paypal.com;dmarc=pass action

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread joe a
On 1/29/2025 07:28:13, Greg Troxel wrote: Niamh Holding writes: Given the From: address can be so easily faked is a rule testing its validity a great idea? This seems tricky to figure out. The message's routing is obviously very sketchy. But, it also appears that spamassassin has validated

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Mark London writes: > Alan, you’ve pointed out the issue with the scam emails. Specifically > with the phone number. Venmo emails are doing something similar. I’m > sure thst PayPal and Venmo will not do anything to stop these. PayPal > knows about it. They have warnings on their website abou

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Mark London
Alan, you’ve pointed out the issue with the scam emails. Specifically with the phone number. Venmo emails are doing something similar. I’m sure thst PayPal and Venmo will not do anything to stop these. PayPal knows about it. They have warnings on their website about the scams. That’s all t

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Dave Funk
The examples of this scam that I've seen use that same PayPal comment tactic but then route it to an Office-365 mailbox which has a redirect to the victim's address. So the resultant message has both PayPal & O-365 valid DKIM signatures; not to mention the multiple KB of O-365 header cruft whi

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Alan Hodgson
On Wed, 2025-01-29 at 11:23 -0500, Alan via users wrote: > > As far as I can tell, they're valid notifications from PayPal, and > probably useful for legitimate purposes. What the messages are > doing is attempting to trigger sufficient anxiety that the > recipient calls the phone number in the m

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Alan via users
As far as I can tell, they're valid notifications from PayPal, and probably useful for legitimate purposes. What the messages are doing is attempting to trigger sufficient anxiety that the recipient calls the phone number in the message, which connects them to a scammer. It will get worse, and

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Greg Troxel
Niamh Holding writes: > Given the From: address can be so easily faked is a rule testing its validity > a great idea? This seems tricky to figure out. The message's routing is obviously very sketchy. But, it also appears that spamassassin has validated the DKIM signature from paypal.com. So

Re: Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Mark London
This my pet peeve.   I set USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL  to 0.001 a long time ago, and it hasn't affected me at all. But my view is probably not mainstream. As an aside, I've added rules to filter for the recent fake requests for money, that abuse that feature, which exists on  PAYPAL and VENMO.  Rule

Fake paypal email triggers -7.5 USER_IN_DEF_DKIM_WL From: address is in the default DKIM

2025-01-29 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello Given the From: address can be so easily faked is a rule testing its validity a great idea? Headers- Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.4.6 (2021-04-09) on iron.holtain.net X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-6.5 required=4.5 autolearn=no autolearn_force=no X-Spa