Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 5/11/2011 10:58 PM, Niamh Holding wrote: Hello Ted, Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 10:21:23 PM, you wrote: TM> Yes, your Honor. (eyeroll) Any intention to produce it in support of your claim? Your welcome to my exclusion list if you want it, I'm not going to post it here but anyone who want

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Niamh Holding
Hello Ted, Wednesday, May 11, 2011, 10:21:23 PM, you wrote: TM> Yes, your Honor. (eyeroll) Any intention to produce it in support of your claim? -- Best regards, Niamhmailto:ni...@fullbore.co.uk pgpxzoGYpki8k.pgp Description: PGP signature

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread darxus
On 05/11, Adam Katz wrote: > Long tail there; the sum of all of your items was 56.5%. Even if you > truncated those numbers, it doesn't add up (56.5 + 19 * 0.1% = 58.4%). Yup, sorry I wasn't clear, those were just the top, not the entire list. > I'm not sure how much of my company's data I can

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Joe Sniderman
On 05/11/2011 04:35 PM, Michael Scheidell wrote: > if someone sends an email to 175 people, once they hit 'x' number in the > first email attempt, we send '4xx too many emails' > ie: > ehlo *.yahoo.com > mail from: > rcpt to: > 250 ok > rcpt to: > 250 ok > [skip to 100]. > rcpt to: > 4xx too

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Joe Sniderman
On 05/11/2011 04:19 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: > I bet it's largely related to the fact that yahoo is apparently the only > freemail provider that doesn't require you to have a previously existing > email address. Yahoo does not require an existing address. Hotmail/MSN/Live does not require

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Adam Katz
On 05/11/2011 01:01 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: > http://www.chaosreigns.com/dnswl/dnswlabusehistory.svg Too bad FF doesn't let me zoom on an svg; had to hit F11 to see it. > Percentage of total spam from legitimate email providers in April as > reported as abuse to dnswl.org: > > 35.5% ya

Re: X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=18.4 - Still delivered.

2011-05-11 Thread Karsten Bräckelmann
On Tue, 2011-05-10 at 23:26 -0700, snowweb wrote: > I'm getting many spams in the last few days, with spam scores far above my > 4.0 threshold, which are still being delivered. Wondering if it's to do with > the fact that they all seem to have no sender. Uhm, wait -- what else did you expect!? So

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 11 May 2011 14:21:23 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > We have been using greylist-milter for years and all Yahoo's > IP ranges are listed in the exception list, even the ones that they > don't publish and you can only find by issuing a whois against the > RIR database. We've been using o

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:51:58 -0400 Michael Scheidell wrote: > ie: qmail, postfix, exchange, sendmail, all (can) send a 4xx after > rcpt to. Indeed. > because thats what the RFC's say. Note: I said "badly-written SMTP software", not "software that adheres to the RFCs". In the real world, 4xx a

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Adam Katz
On 05/11/2011 01:19 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: > I bet it's largely related to the fact that yahoo is apparently the > only freemail provider that doesn't require you to have a previously > existing email address. I just created a test @live.com (hotmail) account without an existing address

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
On 5/11/2011 1:14 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: On Wed, 11 May 2011 13:10:31 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: Yahoo's SMTP mailers are unable to handle a standard SMTP error 4xx, if they get one they abort the transmission and return the message to the sender Do you have evidence to back up that cl

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 5/11/11 4:49 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: Ah, ok. We avoid issuing 4xx in response to a "RCPT" command because quite a lot of badly-written SMTP software doesn't handle that well. ie: qmail, postfix, exchange, sendmail, all (can) send a 4xx after rcpt to. because thats what the RFC's say.

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 11 May 2011 16:35:50 -0400 Michael Scheidell wrote: > if someone sends an email to 175 people, once they hit 'x' number in > the first email attempt, we send '4xx too many emails' Ah, ok. We avoid issuing 4xx in response to a "RCPT" command because quite a lot of badly-written SMTP soft

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 5/11/11 4:14 PM, David F. Skoll wrote: Do you have evidence to back up that claim? I don't believe it's true. We use greylisting and Yahoo's servers don't seem to have problems with it. what I have observed; (no, we don't greylist) but, we do keep a cluster of 4 mx servers per client. eac

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread darxus
I bet it's largely related to the fact that yahoo is apparently the only freemail provider that doesn't require you to have a previously existing email address. I also suspect that, for this reason, google.com would send less spam if they didn't allow yahoo addresses as the pre-existing address.

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Michael Scheidell
On 5/11/11 4:01 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/dnswl/dnswlabusehistory.svg Percentage of total spam from legitimate email providers in April as reported as abuse to dnswl.org: what is funny, is you said 'yahoo' and 'legit provider' all on one subject line :-) I t

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread David F. Skoll
On Wed, 11 May 2011 13:10:31 -0700 Ted Mittelstaedt wrote: > Yahoo's SMTP mailers are unable to handle a standard > SMTP error 4xx, if they get one they abort the > transmission and return the message to the sender Do you have evidence to back up that claim? I don't believe it's true. We use g

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Rick Macdougall
On 11/05/2011 4:01 PM, dar...@chaosreigns.com wrote: http://www.chaosreigns.com/dnswl/dnswlabusehistory.svg Percentage of total spam from legitimate email providers in April as reported as abuse to dnswl.org: 35.5% yahoo.com 6.4% google.com 2.9% tp.pl 2.3% tin.it 1.8% messagelabs.com

Re: Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread Ted Mittelstaedt
this is no surprise Yahoo's SMTP mailers are unable to handle a standard SMTP error 4xx, if they get one they abort the transmission and return the message to the sender Thus any commercial ISP that wants to retain customers must exempt all of Yahoo's IP address ranges from any greylisting filte

Yahoo sent 5.5x as much spam as any other legit provider in April

2011-05-11 Thread darxus
http://www.chaosreigns.com/dnswl/dnswlabusehistory.svg Percentage of total spam from legitimate email providers in April as reported as abuse to dnswl.org: 35.5% yahoo.com 6.4% google.com 2.9% tp.pl 2.3% tin.it 1.8% messagelabs.com 1.4% hotmail.com 1.1% postini.com 1.0% orange.fr 1.0% aol

Re: Interword capitalization - solved and improved

2011-05-11 Thread jdow
Add "on YouTube" and Bob's your uncle. But it is a tad contrived. {^_-} On 2011/05/11 03:58, Mynabbler wrote: jdow wrote: header __MN_IWCAPSubject =~ /[a-z][A-Z][a-z]/ Help! My iPad does not work on FaceBook. Bet that hits it as a subject. Nope. Matches only two times..., on the

Re: Interword capitalization - solved and improved

2011-05-11 Thread Mynabbler
jdow wrote: > >>> header __MN_IWCAPSubject =~ /[a-z][A-Z][a-z]/ > Help! My iPad does not work on FaceBook. > Bet that hits it as a subject. > Nope. Matches only two times..., on the P from iPad and the B from FaceBook. It does not match the F. Getting back to the matter at hand: is some

Re: Interword capitalization - solved

2011-05-11 Thread jdow
Help! My iPad does not work on FaceBook. Bet that hits it as a subject. {^_-} On 2011/05/10 06:01, Bowie Bailey wrote: On 5/10/2011 7:59 AM, Mynabbler wrote: Mynabbler wrote: Does someone have a rule for interword capitalization? Unfortunately no takers for the question. I came up with th

Re: X-Spam-Status: Yes, score=18.4 - Still delivered.

2011-05-11 Thread Matus UHLAR - fantomas
On 10.05.11 23:26, snowweb wrote: > I'm getting many spams in the last few days, with spam scores far above my > 4.0 threshold, which are still being delivered. delivered? SA doesn't care about delivery, only about detecting spam. The delivery is up to your MTA, e.g. spamass-milter > X-Spam-Check