> If we are talking about making a SQL application that is usable for
> a multitude of people then why lock them into something. That's the
> easiest way to drive them away from supporting it.
Word. Perl can play nice with plenty of RDBMSs. If this discussion
belongs here at all, I can't
Don't know... Been using Oracle and MSSQL for years. Both of those
work fine. Don't understand the argument. Why use Postgres when I can
just piggy back them on my replicated Oracle environment.
If we are talking about making a SQL application that is usable for a
multitude of people then why
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 09:16:10PM -0700, Gary W. Smith wrote:
> It's getting there, albeit slowly. I think that if you rule out any up
> and coming application but it's just not there yet we wouldn't have an
> opensource community...
>
> We have a variety of reasons for using MySQL, most of th
It's getting there, albeit slowly. I think that if you rule out any up
and coming application but it's just not there yet we wouldn't have an
opensource community...
We have a variety of reasons for using MySQL, most of them aren't good
ones though but it's something we've been able to work wit
While this is quite an interesting topic, I have to ask why it's on the
spamassassin list. Message stores aren't spamassassin specific and this is
already a pretty high-volume list. Does this discussion really belong
here?
St-
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 06:16:15PM -0400, Rob McEwen wrote:
>
> >>MS Exchange... one big Database
>
> Exactly...
>
> And that is one reason why I wouldn't touch this SQL idea with a 10 foot
> pole.. the fact that Exchange works this way only proves my point... I hear
> all the time about Exchang
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:50:03PM -0700, Marc Perkel wrote:
> Gary,
>
> I'm trying to introduce the idea of a MySQL backend to Timo over at
> Dovecot. He has done a little work in that direction already. But - I'm
> throwing this idea out there right now just to get people thinking. I'm
> hopi
Repeat - it NEVER WENT NEAR gmail. That part is pure forgery.
{^_^}
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From: "Jason Staudenmayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
I see ... I'll have to see why my qmail didn't drop it for those address
issues.
Thanks
-Original Message-
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [
Off hand you could not convince me that this message ever got near
gmail servers.
{^_^}
- Original Message -
From: "Jason Staudenmayer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
Microsoft Mai
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Rob McEwen wrote:
> >>MS Exchange... one big Database
>
> Exactly...
>
> And that is one reason why I wouldn't touch this SQL idea with a
> 10 foot pole.. the fact that Exchange works this way only proves
> my point... I hear all the time about Exchange servers crashing
> and
Arias Hung wrote:
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006, Daryl C. W. O'Shea delivered in simple text monotype:
As for the copy_config timeouts... what kind of system load are you
seeing. 10, 50, 500, or higher? The current 20 seconds alarm is
twice the original alarm timeout, but if you've got a high enough
Greg Allen wrote:
-Original Message-
From: Rob McEwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:16 PM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: RE: The Future of Email is SQL
MS Exchange... one big Database
> -Original Message-
> From: Rob McEwen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 6:16 PM
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Subject: RE: The Future of Email is SQL
>
>
>
> >>MS Exchange... one big Database
>
> Exactly...
>
> And that is one reason why I wouldn't touch th
>>MS Exchange... one big Database
Exactly...
And that is one reason why I wouldn't touch this SQL idea with a 10 foot
pole.. the fact that Exchange works this way only proves my point... I hear
all the time about Exchange servers crashing and the administrator having to
rebuild the database whil
wrote:
| Between two mail gateways and three toasters we have 14 disks that never
| stop seeking, never, 24/7/365. A consumer grade storage device would
| scream "mommy" and wet itself.
|
| DAve
OK, I'm sorry for changing the subject but I have had good results with 18 and
36 GB IBM SCSI
d
-Original Message-
From: Marc Perkel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 4:19 PM
To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: The Future of Email is SQL
Thoughts . ?
-
MS Exchange... one big Database
You can use Exmerge to do
Jim C. Nasby wrote:
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:25:52PM -0600, wrote:
My point here is - think outside the box. I'm going to be lobbying IMAP
server developers to include SQL backends. exim could pipe data into a
local delivery agent, or it can have features written to writ
Gary,
I'm trying to introduce the idea of a MySQL backend to Timo over at
Dovecot. He has done a little work in that direction already. But - I'm
throwing this idea out there right now just to get people thinking. I'm
hoping that in the next year as people think this through that some
serious
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 02:25:52PM -0600, wrote:
>
> My point here is - think outside the box. I'm going to be lobbying IMAP
> server developers to include SQL backends. exim could pipe data into a
> local delivery agent, or it can have features written to write directly
> to the SQL backe
Marc,
We have had to approach this in a similar
fashion. We have large volume email accounts under cyrus as well as a
custom spam filtering system (behind SA). Here is the approach we did.
We have cyrus setup on multiple partitions
based upon the directories. This allows us to u
On Fri, 9 Jun 2006, Marc Perkel wrote:
wrote:
Because I am an SQL dummy, I do have this question. Would aps like Mysql
and Postgres be able to handle 10,000+ users with an average of 50 MB of
email? I really don't know.
Also, does the body just get written to a table?
That would be
OK, I'm sorry for changing the subject but I have had good results with 18 and
36 GB IBM SCSI
drives.
What do you use?
I generally use Seagate. Used to use IBM/Hitachi and Fujitsu. Still
would if they were easier to find in stock around here. Have used
Quantums, and long long ago Micropol
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Tom Ray wrote:
>
>
> Martin Hepworth wrote:
>> Tom
>>
>> Depends on what's call SA. SA will only mark the spam, any processing
>> beyond
>> that is up to you..
>>
>> --
>> Martin Hepworth Snr Systems Administrator
>> Solid State Logic
>> Tel: +44 (0
| Between two mail gateways and three toasters we have 14 disks that never
| stop seeking, never, 24/7/365. A consumer grade storage device would
| scream "mommy" and wet itself.
|
| DAve
OK, I'm sorry for changing the subject but I have had good results with 18 and
36 GB IBM SCSI
drives.
What
Marc Perkel wrote:
wrote:
My point here is - think outside the box. I'm going to be lobbying IMAP
server developers to include SQL backends. exim could pipe data into a
local delivery agent, or it can have features written to write directly
to the SQL backend.
Thoughts . ?
We are
>>That would be about 500 gigs of email. Fry's Electronics has drives
that size on special for $189. So - I'd say yes, should be fairly easy to scale
up to that size and beyond.
I believe it would be approx 200 Gigs
Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
> Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm moving our content filtering from the frontend smtp-servers to
> > an inside relay. After a test, I can see that while it seems to
> > work ok, all spam is marked "Spam from local .
> >
> > I have "trusted_networks" and
That would be about 500 gigs of email. Fry's Electronics has drives that size
on special for $189. So - I'd say yes, should be fairly easy to scale up to
that size and beyond.
You really think one 500 gig disk is going to give you anywhere close to
the performance you need to accomodate 500 ac
Per olof Ljungmark wrote:
Hi all,
I'm moving our content filtering from the frontend smtp-servers to an
inside relay. After a test, I can see that while it seems to work ok,
all spam is marked "Spam from local .
I have "trusted_networks" and "internal_networks" set in local.cf with
CIDR annota
wrote:
My point here is - think outside the box. I'm going to be lobbying IMAP
server developers to include SQL backends. exim could pipe data into a
local delivery agent, or it can have features written to write directly
to the SQL backend.
Thoughts . ?
B
My point here is - think outside the
box. I'm going to be lobbying IMAP server developers to include SQL
backends. exim could pipe data into a local delivery agent, or it can have
features written to write directly to the SQL backend.Thoughts .
?
Because I am an SQL dummy, I do have this
After considerable experimenting and thinking things through I thought
I'd start a thread on the future of email to start planting the seeds of
where MTA development needs to go. I'm convinced that someday soon we
will all realize that MBOX and MAILDIR are obsolete technologies and
that th
> From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:15 PM
>
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:04:40PM -0400, Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:
> > Why does this rule:
> > body ORNL_STOCKT_N2 /H o l l y w o o d I n t e r m e d i a t
e/i
> > not hit on a message containing the
> -Original Message-
> From: Theo Van Dinter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 14:15
> To: users@spamassassin.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Why does this rule not hit?
>
> On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:04:40PM -0400, Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:
> > Why does this rule:
> > bo
> From: Mike Jackson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 3:13 PM
>
> Did you restart whatever service does the spam filtering after you
added
> the
> rule?
Yes. I also tested it from the command line. It didn't hit then,
either.
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ro
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 03:04:40PM -0400, Rosenbaum, Larry M. wrote:
> Why does this rule:
> body ORNL_STOCKT_N2 /H o l l y w o o d I n t e r m e d i a t e/i
> not hit on a message containing the following text?
> H o l l y w o o d I n t e r m e d i a t e provides a proprietary
The double sp
Did you restart whatever service does the spam filtering after you added the
rule?
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From: "Rosenbaum, Larry M." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To:
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 12:04
Subject: Why does this rule not hit?
Why does this rule:
body ORNL_STOCKT_N2 /H o l l
Martin Hepworth wrote:
Tom
Depends on what's call SA. SA will only mark the spam, any processing beyond
that is up to you..
--
Martin Hepworth
Snr Systems Administrator
Solid State Logic
Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300
-Original Message-
From: Tom Ray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: 09
Why does this rule:
body ORNL_STOCKT_N2 /H o l l y w o o d I n t e r m e d i a t e/i
scoreORNL_STOCKT_N2 6
not hit on a message containing the following text?
(Lint shows no errors, spamd was restarted. The string appears in the
text several times. Every paragraph is actually a single
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 12:37:04PM -0400, Ben Lentz wrote:
> >The easiest method is to put the report_contact setting in your local.cf,
> >then
> >you don't have to care what sa-update does. :)
> Wow, a reply from the man himself!
Hehe. :)
> "I don't know, but we should probably do something."
On Thu, 08 Jun 2006, Daryl C. W. O'Shea delivered in simple text monotype:
On 6/7/2006 8:09 PM, Arias Hung wrote:
For the "normal timeouts", it sounds like you might be consistently having a problem with bayes expiry. Although, such a problem
isn't normally consistent AND long (time wise) wh
- Original Message -
*From:* Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
*Sent:* 06/09/2006 12:27:22 PM
*To:* users@spamassassin.apache.org
*Subject:* dumb sa-update question
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 12:13:49PM -0400, Ben Lentz wrote:
When I run sa-update and download the new set of includ
On Fri, Jun 09, 2006 at 12:13:49PM -0400, Ben Lentz wrote:
> When I run sa-update and download the new set of include-d rules, it
> seems the system doesn't define a few make-style variables that /do/ get
> defined when installing from CPAN. I guess the most obvious one is the
Yes. This is a k
Tom
Depends on what's call SA. SA will only mark the spam, any processing beyond
that is up to you..
--
Martin Hepworth
Snr Systems Administrator
Solid State Logic
Tel: +44 (0)1865 842300
> -Original Message-
> From: Tom Ray [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: 09 June 2006 17:17
> To: use
Is there a way to edit the message that appears in your mail when it's
marked as spam.
This is the text I want to edit:
"Spam detection software, running on the system "mx02.detroitonline.com", has
identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message
has been attached to this
Greetings List,
When I run sa-update and download the new set of include-d rules, it
seems the system doesn't define a few make-style variables that /do/ get
defined when installing from CPAN. I guess the most obvious one is the
report_contact @@CONTACT_ADDRESS@@ in 10_misc.cf. To fix this, sho
Hi all,
I'm moving our content filtering from the frontend smtp-servers to an
inside relay. After a test, I can see that while it seems to work ok,
all spam is marked "Spam from local .
I have "trusted_networks" and "internal_networks" set in local.cf with
CIDR annotation.
How can I tell SA (
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote on Thu, 08 Jun 2006 17:50:33 -0400:
> I agree that outright blocking based on dynamic IP range lists often
> doesn't suite a particular organizations needs. I was just pointing out
> that some people do rely on these lists, often blindly, and that anyone
> who is aware
Stefan Jakobs wrote on Fri, 9 Jun 2006 11:06:47 +0200:
> It is a dbm db! The server process ~ 80 000 Mails per Day and the bayes_seen
> db is 5 month old.
If you count both dbs together 1 GB might be what you end up with this volume
and no expiry. What's your "salearn --dump magic" output? That
| If you apply the needed
| 27,000 patches to qmail, you can actually get it to refuse garbage
| HELO/EHLO arguments like the '192.168.0.4' that is came in with (or
| client hosts with no rDNS, etc.); Or you could update to a MTA which
| is supported by its author(s) still.
LMAO,
Well said. Alt
>...
>Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
>lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
>
>
>Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
>Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
>MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I've seen this before, but it's been a while. An AOL user who's on
> Verizon DSL, sends an email that trips two DNS BLs in SA. This user's
> Verizon DSL IP is listed for being an open relay, which it may or may not
> be, since this is presumably a dynamic IP The mail i
We just installed DCC and hooked it to SA yesterday. It is working and we are
getting DCC_CHECK hits. We understand it is basically scoring bulk mail, not
necessarily spam.
We see potential settings for dcc_body_max, dcc_fuz1_max, dcc_fuz2_max with a
default/recommended 99.
Are there circumst
I think I found it, I missed the '.' in my helocheck setting.
-Original Message-
From: Sietse van Zanen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:45 AM
To: Jason Staudenmayer; Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: RE: Gmail spam
Don't know abo
Don't know about qmail, but in sendmail you can easily reject the mail because
of this 'forged helo'.
-Sietse
From: Jason Staudenmayer [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Fri 09-Jun-06 15:35
To: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: RE
I've seen this before, but it's been a while. An AOL user who's on
Verizon DSL, sends an email that trips two DNS BLs in SA. This user's
Verizon DSL IP is listed for being an open relay, which it may or may not
be, since this is presumably a dynamic IP The mail is then relayed
through AOL's net
I see ... I'll have to see why my qmail didn't drop it for those address
issues.
Thanks
-Original Message-
From: Jamie L. Penman-Smithson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, June 09, 2006 9:26 AM
To: Jason Staudenmayer
Cc: users@spamassassin.apache.org
Subject: Re: Gmail spam
On 9
On 9 Jun 2006, at 13:56, Jason Staudenmayer wrote:
Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
It's _not from_ GMail.
Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.0.4) (66.148.73.132)
by mail2.adventureaquarium.com with SMTP; 8
BTW,
email coming from Gmail servers (including valid one) is already being blocked
by several real time blacklists (RBLs)
On 6/9/06, Jason Staudenmayer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
Jason Staudenmayer wrote:
Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSV
Is anyone else getting spam from gmail? The ones I'm getting are very
lengthy but doesn't look like bayes poison.
Microsoft Mail Internet Headers Version 2.0
Received: from mail2.adventureaquarium.com ([10.0.0.205]) by
MAIL-I.adventureaquarium.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(5.0.2195.6713);
T
Please send in some examples and output of spamassassin --lint -D. version
numbers, milter version, sendmail version, configuration files etc. etc.
You are aware about changes to the operation & configuration of SA3.1.1 and
3.1.2? Lots of things have changed and this needs to be adjusted in th
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Dan Massey wrote:
> Hi All
>
> I hope somebody on the list can help me here. Our set-up is as follows:
>
> Internet --> Spam Gateway --> pop server/exchange server
>
> we are using:
>
> FreeBSD 6.1
> Sendmail 8.13 forward s mail via smtp from
Hi
All
I hope
somebody on the list can help me here. Our set-up is as
follows:
Internet
--> Spam Gateway --> pop server/exchange
server
we are
using:
FreeBSD
6.1
Sendmail
8.13 forward s mail via smtp from mailertable
spamass-milter
spamassassin
3.1.3
Our problem
is that we
Hi all,
Ever since I upgraded to spamassassin 3.1.1 spam filtering has not been
working properly. In short all spam is assigned a score so low that it
always gets through.
Background info:
* Everything worked fine prior to upgrade, previous version was
3.1.0
* Using the spamd method
Hallo,
Am Donnerstag, 8. Juni 2006 22:31 schrieb Kai Schaetzl:
> Stefan Jakobs wrote on Thu, 8 Jun 2006 13:56:22 +0200:
> > I turned on bayes autolearning with the standard options, but my
> > bayes_seen db grows and grows, now it is by 1.1 GB.
>
> This is indeed very much. This is a dbm db? (SQL
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