Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Bart Schaefer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In SA 3.1.0 they did force-fix the scores of the bayes rules, particularly the high-end. The perceptron assigned BAYES_99 a score of 1.89 in the 3.1.0 mass-check run. The devs jacked it up to 3.50. Th

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Bart Schaefer wrote: On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Besides.. If you want to make a mathematics based argument against me, start by explaining how the perceptron mathematically is flawed. It assigned the original score based on real

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> List Mail User wrote: Matt Kettler replied: John Tice wrote: Greetings, This is my first post after having lurked some. So, I'm getting these same "RE: good" spams but they're hitting eight rules and typically scoring between 30 and 40. I'm really unso

Re: Tracking Compound Meta's

2006-04-29 Thread David B Funk
On Fri, 28 Apr 2006, Dan wrote: > > It looks like it might have some interesting purposes. But for the > > most part, I can't think of what you would use it for. I can't > > think of a single example where SARE could have used this before. > > Actually, the way I expect to use it is more like: > >

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: In SA 3.1.0 they did force-fix the scores of the bayes rules, particularly the high-end. The perceptron assigned BAYES_99 a score of 1.89 in the 3.1.0 mass-check run. The devs jacked it up to 3.50. That does make me wonder if: 1) When BAYE

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams (bayes scores)

2006-04-29 Thread Matt Kettler
Bart Schaefer wrote: > On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Besides.. If you want to make a mathematics based argument against me, >> start by explaining how the perceptron mathematically is flawed. It >> assigned the original score based on real-world data. > > Did it? I thought

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 4/29/06, Matt Kettler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Besides.. If you want to make a mathematics based argument against me, start by explaining how the perceptron mathematically is flawed. It assigned the original score based on real-world data. Did it? I thought the BAYES_* scores have been fi

Re: OT spammers

2006-04-29 Thread David Gibbs
Igor Chudov wrote: > Here's something that I do not understand. What is the point of > spamming people repeatedly not once, twice, or even 10 times, but > hundreds of times. If I wanted to procure pils, or pgrn, or whatever, > I would have done it on the first 10 spams. After 100 or so spams, > wha

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread Bart Schaefer
On 4/29/06, List Mail User <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: While SA is quite robust largely because of the design feature that no single reason/cause/rule should by itself mark a message as spam, I have to guess that the FP rate that the majority of users see for BAYES_99 is far below 1%.

Re: SA & Razor problem - help requested

2006-04-29 Thread Rainer Sokoll
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 01:07:28PM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 06:16:36PM +0200, Rainer Sokoll wrote: > > loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Razor2 > > don't do that in a cf file.. Moved to init.pre > What does the output from: > > spamassassin --lint -D razor2

Re: SA & Razor problem - help requested

2006-04-29 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 06:16:36PM +0200, Rainer Sokoll wrote: > loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Razor2 don't do that in a cf file.. > Any suggestions? What does the output from: spamassassin --lint -D razor2 look like? -- Randomly Generated Tagline: "What is a lie but the truth in ma

KMail and spamassassin question

2006-04-29 Thread Spiro Angeli
Hi, I run Gentoo linux and kde 3.5.2 with kmail Currently I have configured and installed SpamAssassin version 3.1.0 I configured SA to run as demone against KMail running as plug-in. So, anytime I receive mail through KMail, SA filters all mail. I have few questions reguarding how SA filters ma

Re: SA & Razor problem - help requested

2006-04-29 Thread Rainer Sokoll
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 10:39:48AM -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote: > the third thing in the UPGRADE doc: > > - Due to license restrictions the DCC and Razor2 plugins are disabled > by default. [...] OK, in my local.cf I have: loadplugin Mail::SpamAssassin::Plugin::Razor2 ifplugin Mail::SpamAssa

Re: SA & Razor problem - help requested

2006-04-29 Thread David Flanigan
Theo, Thanks for this. Now I feel stubid for bother the list. I have been running SA for some time, and didn't notice that change. My bad. Thanks for the quick reply! Dave On Sat, 29 Apr 2006 10:39:48 -0400, Theo Van Dinter wrote > On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:58:42AM -0400, David Flanigan wro

Re: SA & Razor problem - help requested

2006-04-29 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Sat, Apr 29, 2006 at 08:58:42AM -0400, David Flanigan wrote: > (http://www.flanigan.net/spam) seen even a single RAZOR hit. However, I get > no errors > in the error logs. The only error I see is on a `spamassassin –lint` which > says: > > [8611] warn: config: failed to parse line, skipping:

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread John Tice
Thank you all for the comments. My personal experience is that Bayes_99 is amazingly reliable––close to 100% for me. I formerly had it set to 4.5 so that bayes_99 plus one other hit would flag it, but then I started getting some spam that were not hit by any other rule, yet bayes correctl

Re: SQLite

2006-04-29 Thread Michael Parker
Jonas Eckerman wrote: > Jakob Hirsch wrote: > >> I don't think SQLite itself is _that_ slow (in fact, I don't think it's >> slow at all), it's most probably a matter of optimization, > > SQL Lite *can* be very slow at some inserts/updates on some systems > because of how it handles writes. SQLite

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread Matt Kettler
List Mail User wrote: >> ... >> > > Matt Kettler replied: > > >> John Tice wrote: >> >>> Greetings, >>> This is my first post after having lurked some. So, I'm getting these >>> same "RE: good" spams but they're hitting eight rules and typically >>> scoring between 30 and 40. I'm reall

RE: Bayes troubles

2006-04-29 Thread Will Nordmeyer
OK... I did the greps you recommended and didn't find any use_dcc lines... I even did: grep use_dcc /home/sites/*/users/*/.spamassassin/user_prefs and still didn't find anything (checking all user directories). (actually, my running SA build is in /home/spam-filter... (bin, share, etc. - I'm on

SA & Razor problem - help requested

2006-04-29 Thread David Flanigan
Hello Spamasssins, I am having an odd problem, I was hoping for some insight from those more adept than I. I am trying to get Razor working with Spamassassin to little effect. To put it simply, SA never uses RAZOR, and I have never in thousands of messages (http://www.flanigan.net/spam) s

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread List Mail User
>... Matt Kettler replied: >John Tice wrote: >> >> Greetings, >> This is my first post after having lurked some. So, I'm getting these >> same "RE: good" spams but they're hitting eight rules and typically >> scoring between 30 and 40. I'm really unsophisticated compared to you >> guys, and it be

Re: span float obfuscation

2006-04-29 Thread MATSUDA Yoh-ichi
Kenneth-san, thank you for your kindly advice. I've posted new rules to Bugzilla. But, it's a little bit difficult for me. ^^; BTW, I have more rules for catching various types of spams. Which is better for posting new rules? (1) first, posting new rules to this users ML, next, posting to Bugzill

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Loren Wilton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This is my first post after having lurked some. So, I'm getting these same "RE: good" spams but they're hitting eight rules and typically scoring between 30 and 40. I'm really unsophisticated compared to you guys, and it begs the question––what am I doing

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread Loren Wilton
> This is my first post after having lurked some. So, I'm getting these > same "RE: good" spams but they're hitting eight rules and typically > scoring between 30 and 40. I'm really unsophisticated compared to you > guys, and it begs the question––what am I doing wrong? All I use is a > tweaked use

Re: Those "Re: good obfupills" spams

2006-04-29 Thread jdow
From: "Matt Kettler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> jdow wrote: BAYES_99, by definition, has a 1% false positive rate. That is what Bayes thinks. I think it is closer to something between 0.5% and 0.1% false positive. I have mine trained down lethally fine at this point, it appears. Ok.. Fine, let