Re: trusted_networks

2005-12-09 Thread M. Lewis
Matt Kettler wrote: What's up with all those "Delivered-To:" headers being inserted between Received: headers. I suspect those are confusing SA. Really the best way to tell exactly what's up is to save one of those messages that false-hit ALL_TRUSTED and run it through spamassassin -D. The d

Re: trusted_networks

2005-12-09 Thread M. Lewis
jdow wrote: Mail that comes directly into my network (not via fetchmail) I do not believe ever has the ALL_TRUSTED as shown in the second example. My trusted nework configs: # Trusted clear_trusted_networks trusted_networks 192.168.1/24 # Internal clear_internal_networks internal_networks

Re: trusted_networks

2005-12-09 Thread jdow
From: "jdow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Mail that comes directly into my network (not via fetchmail) I do not believe ever has the ALL_TRUSTED as shown in the second example. My trusted nework configs: # Trusted clear_trusted_networks trusted_networks 192.168.1/24 # Internal clear_internal_network

Re: trusted_networks

2005-12-09 Thread jdow
From: "M. Lewis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >If someone hasn't suggested it already, post your trusted_* config lines >>along with the headers for a message that you think hit wrong, and we can >>probably help you figure out what is going wrong. The first guess would be >>that you don't have trusted_

Re: trusted_networks

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
M. Lewis wrote: > My trusted nework configs: > > # Trusted > clear_trusted_networks > trusted_networks 192.168.1/24 > > # Internal > clear_internal_networks > internal_networks 192.168.1/24 > > Headers from a message where ALL_TRUSTED hit: > What's up with all those "Delivered-To:" headers b

Re: Stats question...

2005-12-09 Thread jdow
/usr/share/docs/spamassassin*/tools/sa-stats.pl Of course, if you have a defective FC4 release (I'm hammering it hard because it REALLY annoyed me when I discovered it), this is not there, of course. You have to grab them from the tarball. Like I twitted Dallas about - the name collision is "unf

Re: Stats question...

2005-12-09 Thread jdow
From: "Dallas L. Engelken" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -Original Message- From: jdow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] The sa-stats I did (http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/) is basically for show rule hitrates.. << The name collision is unfortunate, Dallas. {o.o} For you maybe... But for

Re: SpamAssassin 3.0.5 RELEASED

2005-12-09 Thread jdow
From: "Warren Togami" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Dhawal Doshy wrote: Theo Van Dinter writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:30:42PM +0530, Dhawal Doshy wrote: Someone forgot to update the spec file. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rpmbuild -ta Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.5.tar.gz error: File /root/Mail-SpamAssassin-3

trusted_networks

2005-12-09 Thread M. Lewis
>If someone hasn't suggested it already, post your trusted_* config lines >>along with the headers for a message that you think hit wrong, and we can >>probably help you figure out what is going wrong. The first guess would be >>that you don't have trusted_networks set quite *right*, even though

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > On 09/12/2005 6:30 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: > >> >> Russ, Actually it looks like in SA 3.0.x and SA 3.1.0 the >> trusted_networks >> setting doesn't matter that much. > > > Just so it's clear for anyone following along, Matt is referring to > trusted_networks' affect o

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 6:30 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: Russ, Actually it looks like in SA 3.0.x and SA 3.1.0 the trusted_networks setting doesn't matter that much. Just so it's clear for anyone following along, Matt is referring to trusted_networks' affect on DUL rules. Regardless of how it affects DUL

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Russ Ringer wrote: > On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:16:13 -0800, you wrote: > > >>>Even with TRUSTED_NETWORKS set, the RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL rule is >> >>triggered. I don't see how this is correct, when the IP address that >>triggered it was not the last hop. This rule should only be triggered >>when "sent di

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 6:13 PM, Russ Ringer wrote: This does look kind of fishy. I think I see why the rule was tripped. 209.30.176.199 is listed in SORBS DUL Looks like they are running proxy+ on a PPoX pool computer and relaying through it, so I guess it makes sense to trip the rule, or does it? As I

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Russ Ringer
On Thu, 8 Dec 2005 23:16:13 -0800, you wrote: >> Even with TRUSTED_NETWORKS set, the RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL rule is >triggered. I don't see how this is correct, when the IP address that >triggered it was not the last hop. This rule should only be triggered >when "sent directly from dynamic IP address"

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 5:52 PM, Justin Mason wrote: Matt Kettler writes: Really I think the use of notfirsthop in DUL testing is just plain broken. SA should only be checking the host that drops off to your MX against the DULs. It shouldn't be backtracking further. To be honest, I'm inclined to agre

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Justin Mason
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Matt Kettler writes: > Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > > > Mail to internal users (from roaming users) isn't the problem though. > > It's mail to external sites that see that my smart host is the second > > "public IP hop" and look it up in DUL. Since m

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 5:30 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: Mail to internal users (from roaming users) isn't the problem though. It's mail to external sites that see that my smart host is the second "public IP hop" and look it up in DUL. Since my telco continues to refuse to change m

Thanks a lot [empty body] [Was: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test]

2005-12-09 Thread mouss
Daryl C. W. O'Shea a écrit : On 09/12/2005 5:17 PM, mouss wrote: should I consider their "pop" server as an MX (I query it via fetchmail) or is SA aware of fetchmail? It's between their MX and you, so include it (along with their actual MX, and any other hosts in between). thanks a lo

Re: start up script for spamd...

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Screaming Eagle wrote: > I have just compiled rpm for spamassassin-3.1, but I do see it it put > out /etc/rc.d/init.d/spamassassin. Does any one know where I can get it? In the tarball under the spamd directory there are 4 different init scripts. You probably want redhat-rc-script.sh.

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > Mail to internal users (from roaming users) isn't the problem though. > It's mail to external sites that see that my smart host is the second > "public IP hop" and look it up in DUL. Since my telco continues to > refuse to change my generic rDNS, my static IP has been

Re: start up script for spamd...

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 5:25 PM, Screaming Eagle wrote: I have just compiled rpm for spamassassin-3.1, but I do see it it put out /etc/rc.d/init.d/spamassassin. Does any one know where I can get it? Thanks. Look in the spamd/ directory of the source tar ball.

Re: building rpm for spamasassin ...

2005-12-09 Thread Screaming Eagle
Theo, I got the rpm for Digest::SHA1, the rpmbuild went fined.  Thanks.On 12/9/05, Screaming Eagle <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote:Thanks. But we can I get an rpm for Digest::SHA1? On 12/9/05, Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 01:20:30PM -0500, Screaming Eagle wrote:>

start up script for spamd...

2005-12-09 Thread Screaming Eagle
I have just compiled rpm for spamassassin-3.1, but I do see it it put out /etc/rc.d/init.d/spamassassin. Does any one know where I can get it? Thanks.

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 5:17 PM, mouss wrote: should I consider their "pop" server as an MX (I query it via fetchmail) or is SA aware of fetchmail? It's between their MX and you, so include it (along with their actual MX, and any other hosts in between).

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread mouss
Daryl C. W. O'Shea a écrit : This seems to be the case. one question here (or two?): - some mail is relayed by an MSP. should I add his IP to the trusted_networks so that SA "gets deeper" or should I just let SA do its usual work? Include the IPs for any host that receive mail on your behalf

RE: Stats question...

2005-12-09 Thread Brent Kennedy
Neither one of these have that option. >> For 3.0.x - http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/sa-stats.txt >> For 3.1.x - http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/sa-stats-1.0.txt Am I missing something? Thanks :) -Brent -Original Message- From: John McMillan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sen

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 4:55 PM, mouss wrote: Matt Kettler a écrit : This seems to be the case. one question here (or two?): - some mail is relayed by an MSP. should I add his IP to the trusted_networks so that SA "gets deeper" or should I just let SA do its usual work? Include the IPs for any host

Re: building rpm for spamasassin ...

2005-12-09 Thread Screaming Eagle
Thanks. But we can I get an rpm for Digest::SHA1? On 12/9/05, Theo Van Dinter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 01:20:30PM -0500, Screaming Eagle wrote:> rpmbuild -tb /tmp/Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.0.tar.gz> error: failed build dependencies:> perl(Digest::SHA1) is needed by spa

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread mouss
Matt Kettler a écrit : I don't think it should. It should however trust your INBOUND header stating that the mail was delivered from the apache.org listserv. I'm not trying to make it trust your outbound headers, I'm actually trying to make sure it DOES NOT trust them. In fact, I'm trying to ma

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 4:42 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: The situation still sucks though. I can't have remote users use ESMTPSA to send mail through our servers (without stripping received headers before sending the message) since they'll have a public IP. Sure you can. At lea

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > > The situation still sucks though. I can't have remote users use ESMTPSA > to send mail through our servers (without stripping received headers > before sending the message) since they'll have a public IP. Sure you can. At least, if you're using SA 3.1.0 it will aut

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 12:03 PM, Matt Kettler wrote: Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: I suspect that the lack of affected mail in the scoring corpus is the reason why it's gone unnoticed. I'd been meaning to run tests to compare the hits between: -- notfirsthop and firstuntrusted I'd love to see that. J

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
mouss wrote: > Matt Kettler a écrit : > >> >> That's kinda weird. Let's get a trusted_networks setup done properly and if >> that >> doesn't fix it, we'll revisit this. > > > as Joan, said, it is because my mail is sent to the ML, then is received by > my server. I don't think my SA should "tr

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread mouss
Matt Kettler a écrit : That's kinda weird. Let's get a trusted_networks setup done properly and if that doesn't fix it, we'll revisit this. as Joan, said, it is because my mail is sent to the ML, then is received by my server. I don't think my SA should "trust" my headers. trusted_networ

Re: SpamAssassin 3.0.5 RELEASED

2005-12-09 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 02:55:07PM -0800, jdow wrote: > Release a 3.0.5_1 version or something like that. Wouldn't help, the tar file has to be named appropriately for the spec file, and we can't (and wouldn't want to) re-release the same named file. Since we'd have to update the repo, Changes fi

Re: building rpm for spamasassin ...

2005-12-09 Thread Theo Van Dinter
On Fri, Dec 09, 2005 at 01:20:30PM -0500, Screaming Eagle wrote: > rpmbuild -tb /tmp/Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.0.tar.gz > error: failed build dependencies: > perl(Digest::SHA1) is needed by spamassassin-3.1.0-1 > > Perl Digest::SHA1 is intalled, this was check via perl -e 'require > Digest::SH

3.1.0+ Test rule for a recent ED drug wave.

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
This requires SA 3.1.0's ReplaceTags plugin to work, but has been helping with some moderate-scoring spams. Most of these also match the geocities link rules out of SARE's specific ruleset, but every little bit helps. Have fun, and note this rule isn't tested yet. -- ifplugin Mail::Sp

Re: phishing stuf isn't being caught

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Gene Heskett wrote: > On Friday 09 December 2005 05:35, Martin Hepworth wrote: > >>Gene >> >>By default the RDJ script will put it's updates in >>/etc/mail/spamassasin/ >> > > But, since all this is running as root, I just changed the config to > put them in /root/.spamassassin, moved copies >

building rpm for spamasassin ...

2005-12-09 Thread Screaming Eagle
All, I am getting this error when building rpm for spamasassin: rpmbuild -tb /tmp/Mail-SpamAssassin-3.1.0.tar.gz error: failed build dependencies:     perl(Digest::SHA1) is needed by spamassassin-3.1.0-1 Perl Digest::SHA1 is intalled, this was check via perl -e 'require Digest::SHA1'. Does a

Re: phishing stuf isn't being caught

2005-12-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 09 December 2005 05:35, Martin Hepworth wrote: >Gene > >By default the RDJ script will put it's updates in > /etc/mail/spamassasin/ > But, since all this is running as root, I just changed the config to put them in /root/.spamassassin, moved copies from /etc/mail/spamassasin that it may

Re: false positive in RCVD_IN_SORBS_DUL test

2005-12-09 Thread Matt Kettler
Daryl C. W. O'Shea wrote: > I suspect that the lack of affected mail in the scoring corpus is the > reason why it's gone unnoticed. I'd been meaning to run tests to > compare the hits between: > > -- notfirsthop and firstuntrusted I'd love to see that. > -- notfirsthop and "not private and

RE: Stats question...

2005-12-09 Thread John McMillan
You can use: sa-stats.pl -s d-m- -e d-m- Possibly takes other date/time formats, haven't really tried it. -Original Message- From: Brent Kennedy [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 6:13 PM To: users@spamassassin.apache.org Subject: RE: Stats question... I

Re: SpamAssassin 3.0.5 RELEASED

2005-12-09 Thread Warren Togami
Dhawal Doshy wrote: Theo Van Dinter writes: On Thu, Dec 08, 2005 at 09:30:42PM +0530, Dhawal Doshy wrote: Someone forgot to update the spec file. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~]# rpmbuild -ta Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.5.tar.gz error: File /root/Mail-SpamAssassin-3.0.4.tar.gz: No such file or directory Y

Re: spamd crashing

2005-12-09 Thread Daryl C. W. O'Shea
On 09/12/2005 8:42 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello all, and happy Friday! I woke up this morning to spam in my box! Seems spamd wasn't working properly: Dec 9 05:56:13 mail spamd[26498]: prefork: syswrite(8) failed, retrying... at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/SpamdFork

Re: Pyzor and stuff [OT]

2005-12-09 Thread Ed Kasky
At 07:17 AM Friday, 12/9/2005, SickBoy wrote -=> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there. Maybe someone knows what is happening with pyzor lately ? I'm unable to check with it, the discover command downloades correclty a server, but I have timeouts when tryin to check the msg, s

Pyzor and stuff [OT]

2005-12-09 Thread SickBoy
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi there. Maybe someone knows what is happening with pyzor lately ? I'm unable to check with it, the discover command downloades correclty a server, but I have timeouts when tryin to check the msg, same for pyzor ping: 66.250.40.33:24441 Timeou

RE: Stats question...

2005-12-09 Thread Dallas L. Engelken
> -Original Message- > From: jdow [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 11:26 PM > > The sa-stats I did (http://www.rulesemporium.com/programs/) > is basically for show rule hitrates.. > > << The name collision is unfortunate, Dallas. > > {o.o} > For you maybe

spamd crashing

2005-12-09 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Hello all, and happy Friday! I woke up this morning to spam in my box! Seems spamd wasn't working properly: Dec 9 05:56:13 mail spamd[26498]: prefork: syswrite(8) failed, retrying... at /usr/lib/perl5/site_perl/5.8.0/Mail/SpamAssassin/SpamdForkScaling.pm line 554. What happened?

RE: phishing stuf isn't being caught

2005-12-09 Thread Martin Hepworth
Gene By default the RDJ script will put it's updates in /etc/mail/spamassasin/ If you have rules in the 'users' .spamassassin dir these will override any similar named rules held elsewhere. For RDJ to work you need a config file...this is normally in /etc/rulesjudour and called 'config' Mine l

Re: phishing stuf isn't being caught

2005-12-09 Thread Gene Heskett
On Friday 09 December 2005 02:36, Loren Wilton wrote: >> I've fed probably 50 of those paypal/ebay phishing scams thru > >sa-learn-spam, > >> but SA-3.10 hasn't caught a single one of them so far. > >Bayes won't help much on the better phish if you also get a bunch of > legit paypal/ebay messages.