Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-11 Thread Andrew MacBean
This seems very sensible proposal and makes allot of sense. Like you have said, we are only saying we wont guarantee compatibility but aren't going to leave people stuck if they are restricted so hard top argue with. Andrew On 10 April 2014 21:10, Fraser Adams wrote: > All fair enough comment

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Fraser Adams
All fair enough comments Robbie, but at least I prompted a bit more discussion :-D F. On 10/04/14 20:25, Robbie Gemmell wrote: On 10 April 2014 19:03, Fraser Adams wrote: From a *really parochial* perspective I've done a straw poll of my organisation and was astonished to find we're more

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Robbie Gemmell
On 10 April 2014 19:03, Fraser Adams wrote: > From a *really parochial* perspective I've done a straw poll of my > organisation and was astonished to find we're more or less ahead of the > curve :-D > > With all the recent security related issues, I've found that the people who are inclined to ev

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Rob Godfrey
What would the purpose of this be? With the build system changes we are getting developers ready to use a new different environment, testing that the build generates the same output, etc... I think the change from Java 6 to Java 7 is hardly of the same nature. We've already been running "paralle

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Rob Godfrey
Hi Jakub, yeah this is also my experience... we have a whole load of people stuck on really outdated versions... and most other people are already on Java 7 or planning to move. Moreover most people don't take new versions of the Qpid libraries straight away either... (or those that do are also t

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Jakub Scholz
Hi Rob, People always need a proper motivation to upgrade from outdated Java to something newer ... and you can motivate them. (I know, this is not really the objection you are asking for) A bit to my surprise, so far nobody from my colleagues seemed to have problem with this idea. I guess it mus

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Justin Ross
On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 2:03 PM, Fraser Adams wrote: > I am however a bit disappointed by the lack of response on this thread, > though perhaps silence is simply acceptance? I guess that I also can't help > but wonder that we ended up going through a couple of releases before we > properly killed

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-10 Thread Fraser Adams
From a *really parochial* perspective I've done a straw poll of my organisation and was astonished to find we're more or less ahead of the curve :-D from a personal perspective, as I said earlier I'm largely agnostic I am however a bit disappointed by the lack of response on this thread, thou

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-09 Thread Rob Godfrey
Just bumping this thread again - does anyone have any objections... I'd plan on moving forward with switching the builds to 1.7 sometime next week if we haven't heard any by then -- Rob On 8 April 2014 00:02, Robbie Gemmell wrote: > On 7 April 2014 19:30, Fraser Adams wrote: > > > I think tha

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-07 Thread Robbie Gemmell
On 7 April 2014 19:30, Fraser Adams wrote: > I think that this definitely needs input from the broad community. I can > see where you're coming from, but my observations of large Enterprises > (which TBH are often the main consumers of Messaging products) are that > they are often in a difficult

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-07 Thread Rob Godfrey
On 7 April 2014 20:30, Fraser Adams wrote: > I think that this definitely needs input from the broad community. Hence the mail :-) > I can see where you're coming from, but my observations of large > Enterprises (which TBH are often the main consumers of Messaging products) > are that they a

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-07 Thread Fraser Adams
I think that this definitely needs input from the broad community. I can see where you're coming from, but my observations of large Enterprises (which TBH are often the main consumers of Messaging products) are that they are often in a difficult position wrt. keeping up with the times. Don't ta

Re: [Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-07 Thread Robbie Gemmell
I think this makes sense. We waited too long to drop support for Java 5, lets not repeat that with 6. Beginning to depend on Java 7 after three years doesnt seem unreasonable to me. Those those who 'cant' or dont want to upgrade to such 'new' (i.e really quite old now) Java releases are often like

[Proposal] Ending Support for Java 6

2014-04-07 Thread Rob Godfrey
All, now that Java 8 has been released, and Java 6 has been officially EOLd for well over a year, I'd like to propose that we make 0.28 the last release for which we officially support Java 6. As a library provider I'm aware that we need to strive to make our libraries as widely adoptable as poss