Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-12 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> I know Proxmox is a huge Debian fan... does Debian offer ZFS kernel modules > and if not, why not? How about Proxmox VE? Besides, I would like to improve support for more storage types on OpenVZ. I think direct support for zfs, rbd, dm-thin would be great (snaphshot, clone). But for me the cur

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-12 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> Unless I misunderstood, they also say there that ZFS code can be merged into > the Linux source tree... but that distributing a binary built from it would be > a no-no. They claim distributing as binary module is no problem! They have split the code into spl (Solaris porting Layer), and a sepa

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-12 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > > License issues of ZFS. > > > > License issues is not an critical because installing of ZFS is > > straightforward and do not require any deep integration to system or > > kernel and work on almost any kernel. > > OpenZFS and zfsonline people claim that

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-12 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello! I can't find any info about linking :( But I found big article from ZoL team: http://zfsonlinux.org/faq.html#WhatAboutTheLicensingIssue Will be fine if OpenVZ command can add ZFS into standard shipment :) On Mon, Jan 12, 2015 at 10:00 AM, Dietmar Maurer wrote: >> License issues of ZFS.

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-12 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello, all! Thank you for feedback! Kirill, you are absolutely right and this issue mentioned in my comparison table https://github.com/pavel-odintsov/OpenVZ_ZFS/blob/master/OpenVZ_containers_on_zfs_filesystem.md But there are some progress at this field there https://github.com/zfsonlinux/zfs/i

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-11 Thread Dietmar Maurer
> License issues of ZFS. > > License issues is not an critical because installing of ZFS is > straightforward and do not require any deep integration to system or > kernel and work on almost any kernel. OpenZFS and zfsonline people claim that it is perfectly valid to ship zfs binary kernel module

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-11 Thread Kirill Korotaev
BTW, Pavel one issue which you or others might consider and test well before moving to ZFS: 2nd level (i.e. CT user) disk quotas. One will have to emulate Linux quota APIs and quota files for making this work. e.g. some apps like CPanel call quota tools directly and depending on OS installed in

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-11 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello! Because your question is very big I will try to answer in multiple blocks :) --- My disk space issue. 24GB is a wasted space from only one container :) Total wasted space per server is about 900Gb and it's really terrible for me. Why? Because I use server SSD with hardware RAID array's a

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-11 Thread Scott Dowdle
Greetings, - Original Message - > And I checked my containers with 200% disk overuse from first message > and got negative result. 24Gb of wasted space is not related with > cluster size issue. Yeah, but 24GB is a long way off from your original claim (if I remember correctly) of about 9

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-11 Thread Pavel Odintsov
And I checked my containers with 200% disk overuse from first message and got negative result. 24Gb of wasted space is not related with cluster size issue. ./ploop_gramentation_checker.py /vz/private/41507/root.hdd/root.hdd We count 43285217280 bytes We count 6079506655 zero bytes We count 3720571

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-11 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello, folks! I read your message again and found suggestion about decreasing block size of ploop. But unfortunately it's not possible with vzctl in any ways. We can do it only with direct call of ploop. Because I can't change block size or recreate VE with another block size I tried to do some r

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-10 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello! Thank you! I will contact with you out off list. On Sat, Jan 10, 2015 at 4:44 PM, Kirill Korotaev wrote: > Pavel, > > it’s impossible to analyze it just by `du` and `df` output, so please give me > access if you want me to take a look into it. > (e.g. if I would create 10 million of 1KB

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-10 Thread Kirill Korotaev
Pavel, it’s impossible to analyze it just by `du` and `df` output, so please give me access if you want me to take a look into it. (e.g. if I would create 10 million of 1KB files du would show me 10GB while ext4 (and most other file systems) would allocate 40GB in reality assuming 4KB block siz

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-09 Thread Devon B.
It is also important to note that there is wasted space with ZFS as is right now if you use advanced format drives (usually 2TB or larger). When using ashift=12 (4k sector size) to create a ZFS raid, you'll lose about 10-20% of your disk capacity with ZFS depending on the RAID type, I don't re

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-09 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Thank you, Kirill! I am grateful for your answer! I reproduced this issue specially for you on one container with 2.4 times (240% vs 20%) overuse. I do my tests with current vzctl and ploop 1.12.2 (with fixed http://bugzilla.openvz.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3156). Please check this gist: https://gist.

Re: [Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-09 Thread Kirill Korotaev
> On 09 Jan 2015, at 21:39, Pavel Odintsov wrote: > > Hello, everybody! > > Do somebody have any news about ZFS and OpenVZ experience? > > Why not? > > Did you checked my comparison table for simfs vs ploop vs ZFS volumes? > You should do it ASAP: > https://github.com/pavel-odintsov/OpenVZ_ZF

[Users] OpenVZ and ZFS excellent experience

2015-01-09 Thread Pavel Odintsov
Hello, everybody! Do somebody have any news about ZFS and OpenVZ experience? Why not? Did you checked my comparison table for simfs vs ploop vs ZFS volumes? You should do it ASAP: https://github.com/pavel-odintsov/OpenVZ_ZFS/blob/master/openvz_storage_backends.md Still not interesting? For exa