Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread zeugme
Hi, I like the wording. In fact, it is more a Github project maintainer issue that didn't filtered a new file on his repo. The fact this repo was based on an IDE and that the threatening file exploit this infirmation could lead to more risk using source code from public repo, with Netbeans or not.

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 5/30/20 8:11 AM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > OK, I’ll put together a blog we can refer to that will say this — > “research has been done on GitHub that identified 26 small Ant-based > Java projects, mostly games, some of them by the same person, none of > the projects appeared to be enterprise/pr

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Sure, there is no need to be defensive. But, there really isn’t — the research has identified nothing that NetBeans can do or has any control over at all. Any project’s build process can be impacted by malware. 26 of these have been identified on GitHub — which happened to make use of Ant-based Net

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Emilian Bold
Yes, this could be good publicity right before the release! --emi sâm., 30 mai 2020, 16:57 Emma Atkinson a scris: > I wouldn't treat this as a negative thing about which to be defensive. It > can be positive and show the team in a good light. > > Here's a suggestion > > We are aware of news

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Emma Atkinson
I wouldn't treat this as a negative thing about which to be defensive. It can be positive and show the team in a good light. Here's a suggestion We are aware of news report ... etc. We contacted the researchers behind the news. They found 26 infected projects. The owners have been contacted

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
OK, I’ll put together a blog we can refer to that will say this — “research has been done on GitHub that identified 26 small Ant-based Java projects, mostly games, some of them by the same person, none of the projects appeared to be enterprise/professional, that had been infiltrated by malware. The

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Emilian Bold
Note this is not a CVE since it's not a NetBeans vulnerability. Executing any build will run with the local user privileges on any popular IDE and injecting something dubious in a build is trivial. Still, I think GitHub could have approached the Apache security team so the NetBeans PMC has a repl

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread brian
LOL, still, why so much enphasis on ant with Netbeans? Just throwing out ideas but could IDEA be behind this? given Netbeans 12 is around the corner?

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It seems to me like we should put out a blog entry with some response to this. Just so that we have a central point to refer to when people ask about this. However, I have no idea what that blog entry should say, beyond “if someone wants to do so, they can inject malware into the build process of

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Emma Atkinson
Should someone from the Apache Netbeans governing team, approach Microsoft for information on this matter? I would have thought Microsoft GitHub would welcome any approach that might go some way toward tackling the problem. Knowing details should enable the Netbeans and NetbeansIDE communities to

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-30 Thread Emilian Bold
I'm leaning towards this being a student project honestly. Why would a company developing a legacy project grab random unknown Ant-based projects from GitHub? But NetBeans is used a lot for teaching and I suspect teachers don't introduce Maven / Gradle since they are more complex and they use the

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Alan
The odds that a virus scanner would have a pattern for something like this are very low indeed, so in this specific case I doubt it would make a difference. However, excluding paths for any reason leaves an aperture open that could be exploited. The targeted attacks I've seen are amazingly spe

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Emilian Bold
No, because it targets the project folders and the build artifacts, not the NetBeans JARs themselves. --emi On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 11:33 PM Juan Algaba wrote: > > I wonder if excluding netbeans from antivirus scanning (for performance > reasons), but not the project folders, make you more at r

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Juan Algaba
I wonder if excluding netbeans from antivirus scanning (for performance reasons), but not the project folders, make you more at risk to something like this? On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 12:40 PM Alan wrote: > The malware is oddly focused. I suspect a specific group was being > targeted. If eventually

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Alan
The malware is oddly focused. I suspect a specific group was being targeted. If eventually GitHub releases the project names that might provide a clue. On 2020-05-29 15:30, Emilian Bold wrote: so I guess this is all just about me. :-) Hehe. Still, they worked too much to target Ant and Net

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Emilian Bold
> so I guess this is all just about me. :-) Hehe. Still, they worked too much to target Ant and NetBeans. I think the Gradle wrapper is a much easier target and developers will run ./gradlew without a 2nd tought. --emi On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 10:25 PM Geertjan Wielenga wrote: > > > Sure, thos

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Sure, those are simply Ant files. I also wonder about the 26 open source projects they refer to on GitHub, without naming them, where this problem was encountered. I have about that number of NetBeans projects in my GitHub repo, so I guess this is all just about me. :-) Gj On Fri, 29 May 2020 at

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Emilian Bold
Seems near-impossible for this to actually be in the wild. According to https://securitylab.github.com/research/octopus-scanner-malware-open-source-supply-chain macOS developer machines seem unaffected. For Linux / Windows developer machines look for: * nbproject/cache.dat files * $HOME/.local/s

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Scott Palmer
The malware explicitly targets NetBeans: The malware is capable of identifying the NetBeans project files and embedding malicious payload both in project files and build JAR files. Below is a high -evel description of the Octopus Scanner operation: • Identify user's NetBeans directory

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Ty Young
On 5/29/20 2:16 PM, Geertjan Wielenga wrote: It seems to be saying that a build system that uses Apache Ant can be poisoned by malware. That probably is equally true for Gradle and Apache Maven — so I don’t understand why they’re picking on Ant. Probably because Ant was the standard in Net

Re: Netbeans and malware article

2020-05-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
It seems to be saying that a build system that uses Apache Ant can be poisoned by malware. That probably is equally true for Gradle and Apache Maven — so I don’t understand why they’re picking on Ant. Gj On Fri, 29 May 2020 at 21:09, Peter Steele wrote: > Hi > > Saw this > > > https://www.zdnet