RE: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Andreas Heckel
I am quite new to this and so far I am happy with the versioning scheme. However from this discussion I see the same flaw as Alan: Let's say you are on non-LTS V.3 you upgrade to (V+1).0 and end up being on the "LTS-track" and will not get informed about new non-LTS upgrades? Or are there genera

Re: Resource sub-folder for Maven based JavaFX

2020-09-29 Thread Ernie Rael
In the project directory, from the OS command line, did you try running "mvn clean package"? This takes NetBeans out of the equation; I don't think NetBeans is copying stuff from resource to target. I think maven replicates the resources directory structure under target. -ernie On 9/29/2020

Re: Resource sub-folder for Maven based JavaFX

2020-09-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Because the folder is empty? Gj On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 19:45, HRH wrote: > > > > Well, I looked into the IDE generated POMs for both project types > assiduously and there are no major differences, that would lead one to > believe Maven is the culprit here. In summary, during the project build,

Re: Resource sub-folder for Maven based JavaFX

2020-09-29 Thread HRH
Well, I looked into the IDE generated POMs for both project types assiduously and there are no major differences, that would lead one to believe Maven is the culprit here. In summary, during the project build, the resource sub-folder (within the Maven compliant folder structure) is copied from

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Neil C Smith
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 15:43, Steven Yi wrote: > I find the distinction between LTS and feature release is great, but I > do find the use of the minor number to denote a feature release a > little confusing. I think it's just a little cognitive dissonance > between semantic versioning practice, pr

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Jack W.
On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 10:46 AM Laszlo Kishalmi wrote: > Well, first NetBeans is not Ubuntu, neither Microsoft. > Certainly not Microsoft, who have already used VSCode as the Atom killer and possibly would like to administer the *coup de grâce* to NetBeans ... --- Jack Woehr # Woe

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Laszlo Kishalmi
Well, first NetBeans is not Ubuntu, neither Microsoft. We are trying to do the best we could do given that our resources are limited. Upgrades between feature releases could be problematic. Just as between 12.0 to 12.1 the Gradle support has been moved around into different clusters. As of now

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Alan
Forgive me for being facetious but did I miss the 12.0 non-LTS download? Or do people who want to avoid being boxed into an LTS just have to avoid releases ending in .0? On 2020-09-29 11:21, Admin @ Goodun wrote: Paul, I sort of agree, but I think the missing point in this NetBeans strategy is

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Paul "TheSlimDude" Morris
Mark, following my example of Ubuntu, if you are on LTS you will get updates and update notifications. You will not get a notice for an upgrade to a non-LTS point release. Feature releases are "upgrades" not "updates". LTS releases are "stable" because they are rigorously tested. Feature releases a

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Admin @ Goodun
Paul, I sort of agree, but I think the missing point in this NetBeans strategy is there appears to be no built-in acknowledgement or access to what is clearly an update. Surely "it's not an update it's a feature" is not something most users would recognise. In between LTS releases there usually are

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Steven Yi
I find the distinction between LTS and feature release is great, but I do find the use of the minor number to denote a feature release a little confusing. I think it's just a little cognitive dissonance between semantic versioning practice, pre-Apache Netbeans release cycles, and current Netbeans r

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Glenn Holmer
On 9/29/20 9:09 AM, Scott Palmer wrote: I’m simply saying that it would be useful to acknowledge the existence of new releases in a “check for updates” feature.  The point being that just because you are currently on 12.0 doesn’t imply that you have selected to stick to only LTS releases.. 12.0

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Scott Palmer
Right, I don’t mean to suggest getting rid of the distinction. I agree that a LTS release should not automatically install anything other than patches intended for the LTS release, it shouldn’t upgrade to a new release. I’m simply saying that it would be useful to acknowledge the existence of n

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Paul "TheSlimDude" Morris
NetBeans, like many other open source projects follows the same pattern as Linux distributions like Ubuntu. The "stable" release is the LTS major version release. Those wishing to get in on new features can install the in between point releases But each ensuing point release supercedes the previous

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Take a look, for example, at nodejs.org, where you can either download the LTS release or the current feature release -- they're quite distinct. Gj On Tue, Sep 29, 2020 at 3:56 PM Scott Palmer wrote: > The distinction can be confusing. A feature release IS a kind of update. > I think a feature

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Scott Palmer
The distinction can be confusing. A feature release IS a kind of update. I think a feature should be added to check for new versions of NetBeans, not just plugins. Perhaps such a check can be automatic and the existence of new versions can be added to the About box? Scott > On Sep 29, 2020

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
12.1 is not an update, it is a feature release. Can you look at the netbeans.apache.org download pages for the difference between an LTS release and a feature release? Gj On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 15:18, Admin @ Goodun wrote: > Hi Geertjan, > > > > Neil's message hadn't come through here when I re

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Admin @ Goodun
Ok, thanks. Are you saying that the patch updates are not incremental updates like 12.1 is? Either way. it seems inconsistent. The update function reports that there are no updates which in fact is not true. There *are* updates, but (it seems) of a different type. The existence of different types

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Neil C Smith
On Tue, 29 Sep 2020, 09:36 Admin @ Goodun, wrote: > Apparently 12.1 is out, for nearly a month now, but my 12.0 > installation doesn't tell me so, and when I use the search for updates > function it tells me there are none. > > Is this expected behaviour? > Yes. 12.0 is an LTS and will not tell

Re: 12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Geertjan Wielenga
Download it. Install it. Like always. Gj On Tue, 29 Sep 2020 at 10:36, Admin @ Goodun wrote: > Apparently 12.1 is out, for nearly a month now, but my 12.0 > > installation doesn't tell me so, and when I use the search for updates > > function it tells me there are none. > > > > > > Is this expe

12.1 ?

2020-09-29 Thread Admin @ Goodun
Apparently 12.1 is out, for nearly a month now, but my 12.0 installation doesn't tell me so, and when I use the search for updates function it tells me there are none. Is this expected behaviour? How am I to get 12.1? I've looked for options that might explain this but don't see anything.