Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-16 Thread Ben Allan
> > It takes time to incorporate a new mpi implementation (and yet > > another set of awful build requirement peculiarities) into a > > a package like mine that is expected to be portable and to cope > > seamlessly with every mpi that comes along. > > What is your tool, BTW? Well, several. Primar

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-16 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Jun 15, 2005, at 9:34 PM, Jonathan Day wrote: Phew! I'd no idea my questions would create nearly that kind of level of response on the list. I should post more often! :) Please do. :-) In all honesty, no one likes getting negative feedback, but hey, if it's on the mark, then it's good fe

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-16 Thread Larry Stewart
I don't care if it even compiles, I would just like to evaluate the design. -Larry SiCortex

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Jonathan Day
Phew! I'd no idea my questions would create nearly that kind of level of response on the list. I should post more often! :) Anyways, here are a few suggestions that might - just might - work around some of the problems that have been mentioned: 1. Publish the stable header files early, or fragmen

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Jeff Squyres
Folks -- I don't have anything new to say to this specific post, but I did want to say that today has been most excellent in terms of feedback for us. I thank you all for your time in writing this all down and sending it to us; every post is being read. It has certainly caused a lot of disc

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Jun 15, 2005, at 2:32 PM, Benjamin Allan wrote: Although we have not made a final decision yet, given that community involvement is a *strong* goal of this project, we've actively discussed several models of how to bring the community into Open MPI. One possibility is to have a minimal regist

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Matthew Knepley
Benjamin Allan writes: I would like to emphasize Ben's point about integration. I really could care less whether the implementation works right now or not. However, I care very much how the build system functions, since that it where the hard work of integration will be. You are making m

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Tim Mattox
Well said Jeff! I look forward to seeing Open MPI's code when it's released. Until then, I am happy to continue to use LAM/MPI for my clusters. I wish you had called it OpenMPI though... better for googling ;-) -- Tim Mattox - tmat...@gmail.com http://homepage.mac.com/tmattox/ I'm a brigh

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Benjamin Allan
Just a brief response on two points (lest the 'insiders' think there are no sympathetic outsiders...). On Wed, Jun 15, 2005 at 01:09:27PM -0400, Jeff Squyres wrote: > > Although we have not made a final decision yet, given that community > involvement is a *strong* goal of this project, we've ac

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Scott Feldman
Ahh, the real reasons: 3. The HPC community is quite small, and the competition is quite fierce... Open Source tends to weed out the weaker competition (i.e. users decide the winner). If you have the best solution, competition shouldn't be a concern. 6. We're still working through the le

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Jeff Squyres
Your points are certainly valid; thanks for the input. I hope my post from a few minutes ago sheds like on our rationale and our future directions. One of the reasons that has been discussed among the Open MPI team for not opening the tree to everyone is the fact that at least some of us are

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Jun 14, 2005, at 9:54 PM, Scott Feldman wrote: We're a quiet bunch. :-) Which is a bad thing for Open Source development. It seems Open MPI is closed-source development project with an open-source release model. At this point in our development, I somewhat agree. But this will soon ch

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Scott Robert Ladd
Scott Feldman wrote: > Which is a bad thing for Open Source development. It seems Open MPI is > closed-source development project with an open-source release model. That has been my impression as well. The projects seems completely disinterested in outside involvement, and fails in both the in

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Philip Mucci
Yes, I agree. At the very least, it sure would be nice to have a read-only source tree available. It's understood that many things will be broken, but without a visible source base that tracks active development, you're not getting any of the benefits of an 'open' development model. Personally,

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-15 Thread Gleb Natapov
On Tue, Jun 14, 2005 at 06:54:42PM -0700, Scott Feldman wrote: > > On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Jeff Squyres wrote: > > > We're a quiet bunch. :-) > > Which is a bad thing for Open Source development. It seems Open MPI is > closed-source development project with an open-source release model.

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-14 Thread Scott Feldman
On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:45 PM, Jeff Squyres wrote: We're a quiet bunch. :-) Which is a bad thing for Open Source development. It seems Open MPI is closed-source development project with an open-source release model. The FAQ claims the future is in Open Source code, methodology, and philos

Re: [O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-14 Thread Jeff Squyres
On Jun 14, 2005, at 5:04 PM, Jonathan Day wrote: The mailing list has fallen virtually silent, there's no beta yet out and (although I may have missed it) there doesn't seem to be much in the way of updates on the website. We're a quiet bunch. :-) Seriously, we didn't really anticipate much

[O-MPI users] Questions on status

2005-06-14 Thread Jonathan Day
Hi, The mailing list has fallen virtually silent, there's no beta yet out and (although I may have missed it) there doesn't seem to be much in the way of updates on the website. Can someone on the project just confirm that you are, indeed, all alive and well, not kidnapped by aliens, or been dela