ing said, you and Fernando might wish to explore how to submit a
feature request to make enabling/disabling IPv6 easier and more intuitive.
Such a feature would be more in keeping with Fedora's goal of being a
technology incubator for what eventually becomes RHEL. Simply turning off
a new technology
r the blank screen appeared, I killed xinit and
Xorg from a different console. The logfile is included below in the
hope it might spark some insight from the group.
xauth: file /home/dave/.serverauth.1517 does not exist
X.Org X Server 1.19.6
Release Date: 2017-12-20
X Protocol Version 1
installed, before the reinstall. The result was the same except
that killing the hung system was more painful.
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Ed Greshko wrote:
>> (==) Using config file: "/etc/X11/xorg.conf"
>
> First, check the file /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for
> the complete Xorg log. Looking for EE lines
I found only two such lines, each present only in one of eight logs.
(1) intel(0): F
"Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote:
> You might want to post on the Fedora KDE list for this kind
> of problem.
I may try that. But the XIO errors and the failure to open the
display made me think this might be a better place.
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elease notes, it is. Though there apparently is a
way to override and force it back to X. I haven't tried, mostly because
I really don't like Gnome so I avoid it.
> But, one should try creating another user and then try starting
> KDE on that new pristine account.
I've done tha
Ed Greshko wrote:
> Could you upload /home/dave/.local/share/xorg/Xorg.0.log for
> others to look at? The one on my test system is 402 lines long so
> yours may be equally long.
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Have I mentioned that I installed TigerVNC on the system, then
connected from a different one? In that situation, KDE starts fine.
The problem is only on the main screen.
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I wrote:
>But it certainly does look like the systemd-logind pause is stuck
>and could be the cause of my problem.
BTW, /etc/systemd/logind.conf contains only comments and none of the
other logind configuration files are present.
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ted.
Using kdm, I get exactly the same result.
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n the main screen.
>
> This starts the session differently. How are you starting vnc and
> KDE in this case. That might give a hint to why the other method
> isn't working.
Well, I'm certainly seeking hints. The VNC session got me to a blank
screen image. I opened an xterm on i
gt;> hurt to try that as Samuel has suggested.
>> Using kdm, I get exactly the same result.
>
>Sorry, would you clarify?
>
> You do get a login screen and then when you enter your PW you end
> up with a black screen with a cursor you can move around?
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nse. I'll
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ared with a
working cursor. But instead of going to a black screen, it stayed on
the splash screen. The Xorg.0.log did not change until I switched to
VT2, then it showed both AIGLX suppended and resuming when I switched
back to the hung VT1.
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> Can you run "dnf distro-sync" just to make sure all packages are
> at the most current level?
Dependencies resolved.
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> If you ssh into the failing system and run "top" does anything
> seem odd? A process stuck at the top or hogging CPU?
99.7% idle. Occasionally, plasmashell or vncserver will show a few
percent. Usually top itself is the big user.
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On Wed, Feb 28, 2018 at 12:31:55PM -0500, Jeffrey Ross wrote:
> I got a bunch of perl updates that came down today and they seem to have
> caused some problems with exim's script exiqsumm
>
> Use of uninitialized value $ARGV[0] in string eq at /usr/sbin/exiqsumm line
> 48.
>
> I'm using the foll
eq '--version') {
For bonus points, submit that fix back to the project.
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9-300.fc26.x86_64 4.13.4-200.fc26.x86_64
But RPM thinks the new kernel was installed correctly!
[root@machine ~]# rpm -V kernel-core-4.15.9-300.fc27
(no output)
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> /var/cache/dnf/updates-7dab57dbb768f030/packages/kernel-core-4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64.rpm
> removed
I don't see anything strange about /boot/grub2/grub.cfg or
/etc/default/grub (which is identical to other local machines that are
working as expected). What should I be looking fo
mage ***
> *** Constructing GenuineIntel.bin
> *** Store current command line parameters ***
> *** Creating image file
> '/boot/7725dfc225d14958a625ddaaaea5962b/4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64/initrd' ***
> *** Creating initramfs image file
> '/boot/7725dfc225d14958a625dda
> 9/12
> Verifying: kernel-modules-4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64
> 10/12
> Verifying: kernel-modules-extra-4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64
> 11/12
> Verifying: kernel-4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64
0.fc26.x86_64:
> /boot/7725dfc225d14958a625ddaaaea5962b/4.14.6-200.fc26.x86_64:
> /boot/7725dfc225d14958a625ddaaaea5962b/4.15.8-300.fc27.x86_64:
> initrd linux
> /boot/7725dfc225d14958a625ddaaaea5962b/4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64:
> initrd linux
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But that isn't the issue. The issue is that the
4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64 files are NOT in /boot directly so they aren't
found by mkconfig. Of course, I could copy them there but that doesn't
seem like it should be necessary.
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LTKERNEL=kernel-smp$/DEFAULTKERNEL=kernel/'
> /etc/sysconfig/kernel || exit $?
> fi
> preuninstall scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
> /bin/kernel-install remove 4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64
> /lib/modules/4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
> posttrans scriptlet (using /bin/sh):
> /bin/kernel-install add 4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64
> /lib/modules/4.15.9-300.fc27.x86_64/vmlinuz || exit $?
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> kernel-core /lib/modules/4.15.8-300.fc27.x86_64/.vmlinuz.hmac
> kernel-core /lib/modules/4.15.8-300.fc27.x86_64/vmlinuz
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Too long ago to still be in my /var/log/dnf* logs. Evidently, some time
after kernel 4.14.11-300.fc27.x86_64 as that was the last one properly
placed in /boot.
> Also, if it fails with grubby out it sounds like a very good
> bugzilla.
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On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400
Todd Zullinger wrote:
> > If there's something you're replying to in particular,
> > maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the
> > entire thread so far in every email in the thread.
yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here the
Ed Greshko wrote:
> I have tested this in a VM and verified the failure. There is one
> exception. If the /boot directory does not contain a directory with
> the name of the "machine-id" then the upgrade will be successful.
>
> Will you be writing up the BZ?
Bug
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:07:01 -0700
Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400
> > Todd Zullinger wrote:
> >
> >>> If there's something you're replying to in particular,
> >>>
prehistoric
> is flat out incorrect.
The nice thing is I have a shellscript from the '80s when I was at BTL
Naperville (and rather a 'ROFF nerd) that still works nicely to generate a
man file. It works, and has outlived other doc formats that have not
caught on (such as info).
Markdown and using
that as your source - generating other formats from that.
You might need to do quite a lot of manual clean-up of the Markdown
files though. But you'd only need to do it once.
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hard to achieve that. That is, after all, the basis of site like
https://metacpan.org/.
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On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 17:41:50 +0100
Danny Horne via users wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I have a four year old laptop that's running Fedora 27 Workstation.
> If I leave the thing switched off and unplugged after a day it will
> need recharging by varying degrees.
>
> Have I missed something in the power
On Wed, 11 Apr 2018 18:12:04 +0100
Danny Horne via users wrote:
> From comments received so far it's looking like a battery replacement.
why not do the test first and spend the money later?
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F27. I ran a new laptop battery down to 4% (as claimed by gnome) and my
laptop didn't auto-suspend, nor hibernate.
In settings / power, the only option for battery power these days seems to
be to automatically suspend after a set time period; not at a certain
battery level.
So
a) did I imagine i
On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:56:22 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:
> and utterly awesome and loveable) self.
what?? what???
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On Fri, 27 Apr 2018 10:24:36 -0700
Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 04/26/2018 07:50 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
> > On Thu, 26 Apr 2018 18:56:22 -0700
> > Rick Stevens wrote:
> >
> >> and utterly awesome and loveable) self.
> >
> > what?? what???
>
I recently upgraded an 11 year old laptop from F27 to F28. (This machine has
previously worked fine with many releases from FC6 onwards.)
The upgrade went apparently smoothly.
But now near the end of the boot sequence (filling-up teardrop turning
into a fedora logo), the cursor appears in the mid
On Sun, May 13, 2018 at 05:43:04PM -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 05/13/2018 02:02 PM, Dave Mitchell wrote:
> > But now near the end of the boot sequence (filling-up teardrop turning
> > into a fedora logo), the cursor appears in the middle of the screen, but
> > doesn't
On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:26:22PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> On Tue, 17 Apr 2018 10:53:09 -0700
> Samuel Sieb wrote:
>
> > On 04/17/2018 04:55 AM, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > >Trying 'upower -d' here results in the display of current power
> > > settings ...
> >
> > So that's why
On Tue, May 29, 2018 at 08:12:39PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
>
> On Mon, May 28, 2018 at 10:38:58PM +0100, Dave Mitchell wrote:
> > On Tue, Apr 17, 2018 at 10:26:22PM +0200, Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote:
> > OP here - my UPower settings are the same as yours, and when I found t
luation Copy
> FREE for a period of 3 years MAXIMUM. But I can use Linux servers and
> Mail Transport Agents (MTA) FREE perpetually.
Costs for running an Exchange server and AD DC are most assuredly non-zero.
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On Fri, Aug 17, 2018 at 12:17:26AM -0700, Todd Chester wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> grep and sed stopped working! I dnf re-installed them
> both. No joy
Maybe your PATH and/or aliases settings are causing the wrong commands
to be chosen. Does
$ /usr/bin/echo "abc" | /usr/bin/grep "a"
work? If not,
/ By requiring a version 5.10 or greater of Perl (which turns on all
of the features for the version of Perl you have asked for).
use 5.010;
say 'hello';
3/ You can use the -M command line argument to simulate the 'use
feature' app
On Tue, Sep 11, 2018 at 10:19:44AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> Are you using only "dd" or are you also using "tar"? I only ask since I've
> not seen
> the message coming from "dd" but recall seeing it from "tar".
To expand on that:
$ strings `which dd` | grep shrank
$ strings `which ta
t, but it's not critical.
How simple do you want it? I use this:
$ pandoc -t plain some_file.md | less
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re any known issues with the Linux kernel, 'bash', glibc, or
whatever else might be involved with standard I/O that might cause this
issue? If this is not a known issue, what's the best way to open a bug
ticket?
I'm running Fedora 27 with the latest upgrades. The Linux ker
Update:
Sorry to reply to my own post, but...
After posting the following I realized that it can't be just a stdout
redirect issue in view of the fact that I can recreate the same issue if I
fopen(, "w") a disk file from a C program. I've modified the subject
accordingl
using, but it is extra work that doesn't
have to be done if you are creating a new file, which may explain the time
difference.
Thanks, that makes sense. Any idea of why unlink()ing the file seems to be
faster than truncating it?
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On Mon, 22 Oct 2018 11:17:24 -0600
Joe Zeff wrote:
> If you want a web forum so badly, start one and see if anybody
> joins, but continuing to try to persuade everybody here to change
> over is a waste of time. Just give it a rest and get on with your
> life.
I dunno Joe, the OP asked about op
plan-printer-subscription-service/
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ed other contributions to build rapport or
to compromise more projects as well.
I looked at the detection script available at the URL in the posting. It's
harmless at worst (don't know yet if it can detect anything).
Caveat Utilitor,
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Mike Wright wrote:
>The manpage is confusing in this regard. It offers this:
>
> -a|--activate y|n|ay
>
>So, is that -a y and -a ay ? Dunno...
Using parens to help clarify, that should be read as,
( -a | --activate ) ( y | n | ay )
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no good alternative and
sometimes I don't realize the deficiency until after purchase.
I tried Waydroid. As you say, it looks nice and many apps work. But
some selection points were simply not responsive for me. Maybe a bug,
maybe intentional, but the effect made Waydroid useless for me.
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>On 11/08/2024 18:30, Dave Close wrote:
>> I can't make sense of this output, can you?
>>
>> # rpm -q kernel-core
>> kernel-core-6.9.9-100.fc39.x86_64
>> kernel-core-6.9.12-200.fc40.x86_64
>> kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64
&
francis.montag...@inria.fr wrote:
>On Sun, 11 Aug 2024 10:30:14 -0700 Dave Close wrote:
>
>> # dnf -y reinstall kernel-core-6.10.3-200.fc40.x86_64
>
>> So, what happened to kernel 6.10.3-200? RPM -V says the package is
>> complete but the files are not there!
>
>
Barry Scott wrote:
>> On 12 Aug 2024, at 03:40, Dave Close wrote:
>>
>> # df -h /boot
>> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
>> /dev/sda6 974M 549M 358M 61% /boot
>>
>> It is held at least three kernels in the past.
>That does
sinto /boot/ and blscfg entries
>in /boot/loader/entries/.
That worked! Thanks!
Now I'll try to go back through my logs and try to see when sdubby
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e1 -> sudo on machine1 -> user@machine2 :: WORKS
I've examined the output of the set command for all of these situations
and can't find any variables that are different that seem relevant. (Of
course, $PPID and similar variables are different.) Can anyone suggest
what could be the issue?
Jeffrey Walton wrote:
>At this point, I would visit each machine and:
>
> mkdir -p ~/.ssh
> chown -R dclose:dclose ~/.ssh
> chmod -R o-rwx ~/.ssh
That would be guaranteed to cause failure. For example, my private keys
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at seem relevant. (Of
>course, $PPID and similar variables are different.) Can anyone suggest
>what could be the issue? Or what other tests might be helpful?
The solution was provided through the openssh mailing list. I've added
an alias to my system and will use it when connecting from
you were trying to
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";
This would give you a script like this:
awk 'BEGIN { FS = " "; }
echo $2
END { print "Fin" }
' testclean
Alternatively, you may specify the field separator as an 'awk' option:
awk -F " " '' testclean
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>>
> gawk '{print $2}'
> will do what you want.
If he's using spaces rather than tabs to delimit the fields, an additional
(g)awk option will be needed:
gawk -F "\t" '{print $2}'
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Looks like a field separator (FS) problem. The field separator is used by
'awk' to divide a line into fields. The default 'awk' field separator is
"\t" (tab) but your fields are separated by spaces. Try adding this ins
On Thu, Jun 10, 2010 at 01:36:07PM +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> I'm looking for a grep-like script that searches for a given word,
> and returns the paragraphs in which it appears (rather than the lines),
> where a paragraph is defined as the material between 2 blank lines.
perl -ne 'BEGIN { $/=
ne Laboratories in Naperville, IL. They had a **huge**
celebration--commemorative coffee mugs and other chachkes, cake and
coffee, at a big outdoor ceremony. What was the occasion?
The data storage for the entire data center had just crossed the magic 1
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If you still can't get it, you could post (or send directly to me, if
that's too public for you) the serial and part numbers.
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alf-baked patches).
I'm not familiar with Windows 2008, but if all you need is to run rdesktop
(RDP) over SSL you might take a look at 'stunnel':
http://www.stunnel.org/
A quick Google ('stunnel rdp "windows 2008"') suggests that some folks
have been su
'; # paragraph mode - see "perldoc perlvar"
# Assume first argument is word to find
my $word = shift;
while (<>) {
print if /\b\Q$word\b/; # \Q is a safety measure - escape metacharacters
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I am trying to preupgrade F12 x86_64 to F13. My installer tries to use
ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora/x86_64/os/images/install.img
but gives me an error, "unable to retrieve" Does anyone have a url for another
site?
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Quoting JD :
> On 07/03/2010 11:58 AM, Dave Stevens wrote:
>> I am trying to preupgrade F12 x86_64 to F13. My installer tries to use
>> ftp://ftp.nrc.ca/pub/systems/linux/redhat/fedora/linux/releases/13/Fedora/x86_64/os/images/install.img
>> but gives me an error, &quo
27;t boot from that machine to kill 'em--pull the drive(s) and
scan with either another Windows machine or a Linux box while the
critters are quiescent and can't defend themselves.
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there some config
file I can adduce as a hint? I have no idea where to look. pulseaudio shows in
top.
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> On 07/05/2010 06:45 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
>> The subject line pretty much says it. It's quite frustrating to be unable to
>> get this working. I am, open to suggestions. The same system with the thingy
>> plugged into the same little hole(in the back
rd it has
> stuff in /dev/dvb, while the other 4-5 cards which have been happily in
> use do not.
>
> To test (as root):
>modprobe -v snd-pcm-oss
>{test applications for sound here}
[r...@davehost dave]# modprobe -v snd-pcm-oss
insmod /lib/modules/2.6.33.5-124.fc13.x86_64/k
snip!!
> >> support the hardware which needs it.
> >
> > [r...@davehost dave]# lsmod | grep ens
> > snd_ens137020973 2
> > gameport8936 1 snd_ens1370
> > snd_rawmidi19917 1 snd_ens1370
> > snd_pcm
all sorts of drivers - network cards,
storage devices, probably others - I don't know what I should be
choosing.
Can anyone suggest what might be going wrong here? And what I can do to fix it.
Thanks,
Dave...
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On 11 July 2010 16:50, JD wrote:
> On 07/11/2010 09:03 AM, Dave Cross wrote:
>> I'm trying to use preupgrade to upgrade my Dell Studio XPS from Fedora
>> 12 to Fedora 13.
>>
>> It got through the bit where it downloads all of the required data
>> from the in
Does anyone have experience or a pointer to installing F13 on a
Samsung N220? Nice little computer, Atom cpu, 1 gig, 250 HD, realtek
wifi.
Dave
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Quoting JD :
> On 07/12/2010 08:04 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience or a pointer to installing F13 on a
>> Samsung N220? Nice little computer, Atom cpu, 1 gig, 250 HD, realtek
>> wifi.
>>
>> Dave
>>
> Why don't tell us w
Quoting Patrick O'Callaghan :
> On Tue, 2010-07-13 at 08:24 -0700, JD wrote:
>> On 07/12/2010 08:04 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
>> > Does anyone have experience or a pointer to installing F13 on a
>> > Samsung N220? Nice little computer, Atom cpu, 1 gig, 250 HD, r
Quoting Kwan Lowe :
> On Mon, Jul 12, 2010 at 11:04 PM, Dave Stevens wrote:
>> Does anyone have experience or a pointer to installing F13 on a
>> Samsung N220? Nice little computer, Atom cpu, 1 gig, 250 HD, realtek
>> wifi.
>>
> I installed CentOS on this ne
out that there wasn't enough space and used a
workaround, no intervention on my part needed. Pretty nice.
Dave
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thing that is identical (other than maybe the version
string) to the distribution version I'm using?
Please be gentle with me; I'm a first time kernel builder (i.e. I've
tried several times, but never yet succeeded).
Dave
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> On 10-02-10 05:39:06, Dave Higton wrote:
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