On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 12:21 -0400, Kanwar Ranbir Sandhu wrote:
> On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 17:24 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> > Voice your opinion on the websites[1] list.
> >
> > [1] https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
>
> I'm not joining that list to say one thing:
>
>
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:31 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2010 13:47:10 -0400
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > Would have been nice to hear your feedback last october:
> >
> > http://mairin.wordpress.com/2009/10/05/more-get-fpo-redesign-mockups/
>
> I ce
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 16:09 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2010 14:56:31 -0400
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > There were multiple blog posts on the redesign posted to Planet Fedora
> > [1] (and syndicated to many other Linux & open source-related blog
>
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 13:22 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> 2010/5/26 Máirín Duffy :
> > The links you referenced were removed quite explicitly in the design.
> > The assumption was that if someone understands how to use bittorrent,
> > jigdo, and mirror lists, they are more than
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 13:42 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> You seem to think that the only alternative to completely excluding
> the more technical options is to scatter incomprehensible jargon all
> over the page. I'm not sure how you came to this conclusion.
I came to this conclusion after going thr
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 13:42 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 May 2010 01:31 PM, � Duffy wrote:
> > As I already explained clearly: torrents, jigdo, and mirrors are not
> > required to download and enjoy Fedora. These alternative and in some
> > cases niche methods for downloading Fedora a
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 17:24 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> OTOH, one must be subscribed to said lists in order to participate.
That's right! If you want to participate in Fedora, you need to
subscribe to the mailing lists where projects are happening!
> Those of
> us who have varied interests ar
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 16:45 -0400, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> I'm reminded of Monty Python's Cheese Shop skit, with you playing the
> role of the shopkeeper.
Sure, in that:
- We must have just about as many particular versions of Fedora to
download as there are varieties of cheese...
- Most folks
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 14:57 -0700, Suvayu Ali wrote:
> On Wednesday 26 May 2010 01:57 PM, � Duffy wrote:
> > Where would someone get to the mirrors then? Oh just add one more link
> > right? Okay. How about boot.fedoraproject.org or downloading a boot iso?
> > Oh, just one or two more links. Okay.
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 23:09 +0200, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> I thought torrent was precisely invented for this kind of purpose. I
> also held the opinion that torrent is by far the number one method of
> getting Fedora, or any other Linux distro for that matter.
It isn't. Not even amongst current
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 15:05 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> 2010/5/26 Máirín Duffy :
> >> That would have at least kept me (and probably many others) from
> >> scanning the page over and over again for ten minutes looking for what
> >> I just knew must be there.
> &g
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 06:34 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> That is pure BS.
No, it is not "pure BS." What a disrespectful thing to say!
> If people don't know what a bittorrent is or a jigdo they will ignore
> it...
How do you know this? Have you performed usability tests of interfaces
with techn
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 19:58 -0300, Andre Costa wrote:
> First of all: I do appreciate all the effort in making the download
> page easier to newbies, and I recognize a lot of thought has been
> spent in doing so. However, it doesn't mean the result can't be
> improved, even if the improvements wi
On Wed, 2010-05-26 at 19:54 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Wed, 26 May 2010 14:57:55 -0700
> Suvayu Ali wrote:
>
> > I understand your concern and see the merit in keeping the default
> > get-fedora page simple, but I fail to see how that implies no page
> > linking to either of these pages. (or
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 09:41 -0300, Andre Costa wrote:
> Ok, that's better. Still, I would suggest to make it a little more
> explicit. You see, when I didn't find the link to the torrents right
> away, my first reaction was to CTRL+F for "torrent".
I talked to the folks in #fedora on IRC for a wh
On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 21:19 +0930, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-05-27 at 03:02 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > What you are now finding out, is that the _users_ are not happy
> > campers.
>
> This whole affair is reminding me of this banking advert:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qnzhSXJzt6s
>
> (P
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 20:33 +, g wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>
> > https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2009-August/msg4.html
> >
> > "MáirÃn Duffy proposed[13] a few ideas for a new Fedora website design"
>
> that was for fedora 12, and i do not believe it was acce
On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
> website design means "making the website look pretty"
I certainly hope you don't mean to imply that is the position of the
folks who worked on the page, because
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:46 +, g wrote:
> Frank Murphy wrote:
>
>
> > https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/websites
> > Is the list for the team who do their best for the site.
>
> and when they do and have a new design, is it posted to this list
> for viewing and review?
>
> ma
On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +, g wrote:
> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make posts about websites
and design in Fedora. If you're not interested in websites and design in
the Fedora project, then you likely w
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:32 +, g wrote:
> what is discussed in this tech support list is what helps keep users using
> what code authors are producing and what red hat ends up using.
s/Red Hat/Fedora contributors
> granted, 'Regarding Get Fedora page' is not what is normally discussed here,
>
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 17:34 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 17:15 -0400, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Sun, 2010-05-30 at 11:30 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > I suspect there's a (possibly subconscious) view among many of us that
&
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:43 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>
> > Folks, this is pretty simple:
> >
> > - If you don't care about the website design, don't follow the website
> > design list.
> >
> > - If you do care about
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:51 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Sat, 2010-05-29 at 16:32 +, g wrote:
> >> where was posting of new design for list members to view new design?
> >
> > On the lists (note the 's' there) where people make posts abo
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
> they were to see the original "new" Get Fedora web page and were to ask
> "Where are the torrents?". Would they be told..."You must Goggle to
> find the torrents.", "You s
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:47 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 06/01/2010 08:42 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >
> >> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
> >> they were to see the o
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:42:34 -0400
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> > Would a completely new user ask "where are the torrents?"
>
> That is the first question I always ask when I want to download
> a new linu
On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 09:19 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> I don't buy into your survey..and the fact that you have concluded that
> only 19% of current users make use of torrents. It is true that 19% of
> the people that knew about your survey, and that chose to respond, use
> torrents. Nothing othe
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 21:37 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >You are not in any position to give personal advice without it coming
> >across in a manner that you I am sure you would not want to purposefully
> >aim for. Personal commentary like this doesn't have any place in this
> >discussion so let's
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:06 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >On Tue, 2010-06-01 at 08:22 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> >> It gets me to wondering how a completely new user would be greeted if
> >> they were to see the original &q
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:18 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> On Monday 31 May 2010, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 20:49 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> >> On Mon, 31 May 2010 20:42:34 -0400
> >>
> >> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >> > Would a
On Mon, 2010-05-31 at 22:08 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> >The question still stands. If only 19% of current Fedora users (a highly
> >technical bunch) make use of torrents, my guess is the majority of
> >new-to-Fedora users would also not.
> >
> >~m
> >
> And I'll repeat, you did not survey the _us
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 11:41 -0430, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:19 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > On 03/06/10 16:12, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> > > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 09:14 +0100, Frank Murphy wrote:
> > >> Hope nobody Minds.
> > >
> > > Since you don't explain why yo
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:32 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
>
> > The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
> > announce-list
>
> exactly which fwn where announcements in?
Frank already posted one of the references to the FWN/announce-
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 20:18 +, g wrote:
> Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 19:32 +, g wrote:
> >> MáirÃn Duffy wrote:
> >>
> >>> The web redesign was in FWN multiple times and if FWN was sent to
> >>> announce
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:10 +, g wrote:
> it is now beginning to appear that you are better at evading my question
> than you are at designing web pages.
We're done here.
Have a nice day,
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On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 16:56 -0700, Craig White wrote:
> George - I think that you are very offensive towards people who
> volunteer their time. It's easy to understand why Fedora contributors
> don't actually want to participate on the user lists and get abused by
> unappreciative, sarcastic and co
On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > Do we want new users to witness this kind of behavior? They are directed
> > towards this list right now via a number of different pointers. My team
> > is planning to redesign the Fedora websi
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:09 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> 2. This list, and every list I've ever been on, has its "moments".
> These "moments" can be protracted but are few and far between on this
> list, IMHO. So, if someone just happens to join the list during one of
> these moments, they may be t
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 13:15 -0700, Mike Fedyk wrote:
> 2010/6/3 Máirín Duffy :
> > On Thu, 2010-06-03 at 21:01 -0700, Alan Evans wrote:
> >> Not all of the feedback from this list was unconstructive. Not all of
> >> the responses were abusive or confrontational. But afte
On Fri, 2010-06-04 at 17:11 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> If there are egregious examples of people getting out of hand, one way
> to handle it without escalting to the full list is to mail the list
> admins directly, users-ow...@lists.fedoraproject.org in this case. If
> warranted, any list admi
On Thu, 2010-07-01 at 11:05 -0400, Jim wrote:
> Can anyone give me some advice for game for kids ages 4-8 ?
> I have to build up a computer for kids to use at. 4-8. What is on the
> Fedora Repo's.
You might want to try the Fedora Educational Spin:
http://spins.fedoraproject.org/edu/
The Fedora
On Sun, 2010-07-04 at 05:53 -0400, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> Ok. Steering Wheel w/linux support?
>
> Do tell!
>
> I saw a brand-new wheel w/pedals (still in plastic) at a GoodWill the
> other day for about $8 (US$). But it had a joystick connector which I
> haven't seen on a PC in a decade or more
On Wed, 2010-07-14 at 20:09 +0200, Jef van Schendel wrote:
> I'm looking forward to hearing what all of you think, and hope to
> collect some great supplemental wallpapers. If you have any questions,
> drop by on the #fedora-design IRC channel where the Design Team hangs
> out.
I just wanted to re
Hi Chris!
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 16:59 -0500, Christofer C. Bell wrote:
> I've really enjoyed all of the default desktops from Fedora Core 1
> through Fedora 13, but I have to say that the default wallpaper chosen
> for Fedora 14 is something I'll have to change, it's simply too dark
> for my tast
On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 23:30 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> > I've really enjoyed all of the default desktops from Fedora Core 1
> > through Fedora 13,
>
> IMHO, the best Fedora wallpaper was "Fedora 7" flying high. Fedora Core
> 6, Fedora 10 and 13 wallpapers are also good.
What is it about th
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 14:41 +0100, Athmane Madjoudj wrote:
> On 07/16/2010 06:40 AM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> >
> > What is it about these ones that appealed to you?
>
> 1. The graphic quality.
What do you mean about the graphic quality? Saying you liked it, and
sa
Hi Tom!
On Fri, 2010-07-16 at 10:21 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> I gotta say I don't really care what happens to the wallpaper
> since I always use my own anyway, but some of the wallpaper I
> use is pictures taken by me so I'd be happy to contribute
> them in case anyone else likes them too, but I
On Tue, 2010-07-27 at 10:44 -0400, Alex wrote:
> Hi,
>
> As if to say, "F"-you, the screen changed from my normal desktop, with
> Firefox, Azureus, a few terminals, and a few VMs running, to a solid
> blue screen with just the Fedora squiggly 'F' in the middle of the
> screen, and the whole comput
Hi Alex,
I talked to the plymouth maintainer and he said this is a known bug; I
don't know if the fix is in F13 yet but let me explain what's going on:
You've got two bugs. One is a kernel panic. The other is that when the
kernel is panicking, rather than showing useful debug information, it is
d
On Fri, 2010-07-30 at 14:48 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> On 30 July 2010 14:31, Alex wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> >> I talked to the plymouth maintainer and he said this is a known bug; I
> >> don't know if the fix is in F13 yet but let me explain what's going on:
> >>
> >> You've got two bugs. One is a ker
Hi Suyayu & Steven,
> On 25 August 2010 06:59, Steven Stern wrote:
> > How do you do it with Empathy? I see nothing in the preferences
> > relating to video.
> On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 08:13 -0700, suvayu ali wrote:
> I personally use pidgin, but the empathy FAQ on gnome.org has this,
> http://liv
On Wed, 2010-08-25 at 11:11 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
> We are suppose to have a WebEX meeting going, but having problems. So
> the coordinator told everyone to jump on a jabber session.
>
> I don't know what to use for jabber on my FC12 system.
Empathy or Pidgin work. I believe in at leas
Hi Valent,
On Tue, 2011-02-01 at 01:05 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
> Just remove all blender files and start over. Somehow blender doedn't
> see python libs.
So I deleted everything, downloaded fresh using your tutorial. I already
had gettext and gettext-devel. Same error:
[duffy@Bri
Hi Armelius,
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 12:39 -0500, Armelius Cameron wrote:
> Hello,
> I know Fedora try to be more user friendly, and the website design that
> points
> to the various download options reflects that. But I think one signficant
> thing
> is missing: the CHECKSUM file is not easily
On Tue, 2011-01-18 at 18:01 +, g wrote:
> until some people get there heads out of their butts and put what is
> needed on pages and cut out all the links, 'aunt tillie' can use a
> torrent download, which is self checking.
Grow up.
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On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 11:22 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>
> There is a link to 'Verify download' on every one of the download pages
> in the right-hand column. That being said, it doesn't appear on the
> post-download splash and we would be happy to consider adding
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 11:53 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > Proposal -
> >
> > Mockup:
> > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/verify/verify.png
>
> Shouldn't the teddy bears be penguins? :-).
>
> On a more serious note: A lot of people (me for sure) like to know
> what they
Hi Suvayu,
On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 23:10 +0100, suvayu ali wrote:
> 2011/1/20 Máirín Duffy :
> > Proposal -
> >
> > Mockup:
> > http://duffy.fedorapeople.org/webdesign/fedoraproject.org/verify/verify.png
> I understand your motivation for the design is to make it
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 10:41 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Thu, 2011-01-20 at 11:22 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > From talking to numerous novice users in the design of the site I'm
> > not convinced that a checksum file is something that novice users are
> > aware
On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 19:51 -0600, Matt Domsch wrote:
> On Fri, Jan 21, 2011 at 01:06:27PM -0500, M?ir?n Duffy wrote:
> > Yeh, it was our intention to have mirror manager generate a URL for
> > those download buttons that made the most sense given geographical
> > location, but that got dropped due
On Sat, 2011-01-22 at 20:16 +1030, Tim wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-01-21 at 13:03 -0500, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > The biggest challenge in not losing folks before they even give Fedora
> > a chance is making it easy when they have to figure out how to get the
> > ISO to optical
Hi Valent,
On Wed, 2011-01-26 at 13:03 +0100, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
> Hi galls and guys,
> I saw that there are no up to date instuctions for getting Blender
> 2.56 running on Fedora, not even on Blender wiki so I wrote up this
> blog post:
> http://bit.ly/gLQgFS or long version:
> http
On Mon, 2011-01-31 at 13:56 +, valent.turko...@gmail.com wrote:
> Mairin did you manage to get Blender running?
No, were there some additional instructions for me to try? Nothing has
changed.
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