heck to see if new extensions
etc. turns up that make Gnome 3 usable (for me).
Sadly the things mentioned in the links earlier in the thread does not
solve my issues fully.
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On 06/02/2011 10:52 PM, Ron Yorston wrote:
> If you're quick you can be the first to download it!
Downloaded :-) Will go to bed now though, but will take a look
tomorrow. Seem to solve some issues I have been having though.
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generate alerts for everything it currently reports on.
Logwatch watches the logs and report strange things. I find it useful.
What would you like removed from it?
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uding sendmail and syslog makes it easier for the ordinary user. And
that is a good thing. At least in my book.
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e want, but should we not strive to make the system
easy to use, and to get information from, even for an "ordinary user"
not as savvy as we?
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we could
remove the MTA and syslog. At the moment the user is left in some sort
of limbo loosing mails sent to root, and having problems reading log files.
Off to new year celebrations here. Happy new year to all!
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Spot the differences?
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te your scripts to handle these differences.
I can not see any reason why the output of journalctl can not to be "a
pixel perfect match", so why is it not?
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Perhaps I misunderstood you.
Bugzilla 1047700
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ude=journal /var/log
620M/var/log
[root@gw ~]# du -sh /var/log/journal
3.7G/var/log/journal
[root@gw ~]#
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dnf erase kernel-3.9.4"
So if I issue 'dnf erase kernel' all kernels will be removed, and I have
no kernel anymore? Is that really a good thing? Should we not spare the
running kernel? Or is there some rationale behind this that I am missing?
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sition to be smoother.
Do you regard the sluggish journal I have as a bug? I will gladly file a
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etc/aliases will in that case be intact and mail
will be sent to root, just as it has been done for years.
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On 01/02/2014 12:28 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 01/01/2014 11:30 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
...
Unfiled bugs
doesn't fundamentally change that although if you find any, you can file
them and get the transition to be smoother.
Do you regard the sluggish journal I have as a bug? I
On 01/02/2014 01:12 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
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...
When no users are created by the installer, there is nothing to add to
/etc/aliases and as I noted before, user creation is an optional step
within the installer. I don't see anything in
rs of Fedora, and
I do not see them using kickstart, so that is not a solution.
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phase. Next step is of
course a RFE.
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ical user.
> None of this will become part of the default workflow.
Sorry. I do not follow you here. I am not sure what you mean.
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Why would they not care? The UI will make them aware of something they
probably is not aware of. I can not see that lost emails is a good
thing. Better to make the user aware of that that mail exist, and make
it easy for them to receive it.
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that use case is taken care
of (either everything will be as it has been for years, i.e.
/etc/aliases is intact and the mail end up in mail to root, or you can
chose to send it to a remote user)
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, for more or less the same thing, notifying the user.
OK, one example:
A user might install yum-cron to update the system
Bad example. Non technical users don't install yum-cron.
Why not? The might...
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hey do not care about problems with updates etc, then why do we have
notifications? They serve, in this context, the same purpose, informing
the user about problems with the system.
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nts. What is needed is an easy way to get the mail to a suitable
user. That is where my proposal comes in.
So, in my opinion, removing a local delivery MTA was wrong. It should be
added again, and something in the line of my proposal should be added so
that root mail is sent to a suit
this given the importance of the kernel.
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gh the journal to output the last lines from the log.
This may all be a bug (I filed bug 1047719 on this).
Anyhow, thanks for the information about options etc. Sadly the man page
is somewhat sparse on examples which makes the transition to journalctl
a bit hard.
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t: ' to it, run newaliases (or something in the line of my
proposal earlier), and to setup the mail client to read that mail. Not
more esoteric than to setup ordinary mail.
Not having a MTA leads to lost mail, this has to be addressed and solved
before the MTA is removed.
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On 01/02/2014 07:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jan 2, 2014, at 5:34 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
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Important mail to/from root is not an "edge case".
So important that by default root isn't informed of these messages?
Huh?
With sendmail I was not informed of any suc
On 01/02/2014 08:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jan 2, 2014, at 11:45 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
It delivers mail, so it certainly does something. It is not an idle process
doing nothing.
I've never seen it do anything since I started using Fedora, except cause
lo
cron, that is not a part of the journal output.
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for these messages. And I found a pile of utterly useless crap being
generated; and without notification, or a good reason for them to be generated
in the first place. I'm glad it's gone by default.
Please read my proposal again, it addresses the issues you are mentioning.
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also be sent to syslog by using the -s option."
The problem with that option is that the output from cron can
voluminous, and voluminous messages are better suited as mails.
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rs use cron?
You do not have cron installed and running?
I don't use cron. Probably in five years or so we can have a conversation on it
not being installed by default.
Don't think so.
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by default.
This has nothing to do with modernity at all.
And guess what! You can still install it and get the behavior you want.
That's not the point. It's about sane defaults so that potential
important message are not lost.
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er be informed that the
content is in the journal and should (perhaps) be acted upon?
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removed. That would involve both adding to the
journal, and notify the user, and/or other actions. Shouldn't that have
been addressed *before* removing the MTA?
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On 01/03/2014 06:17 AM, Ahmad Samir wrote:
On 26 December 2013 20:00, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
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As the App Menu works bad when using multiple windows and focus follow
mouse, this should perhaps be a part of gnome-tweak-tool (a tick box there
to chose App Menu or not), so one doesn't
nfigure
an MTA.
I have to as long as some applications use that path to send messages to
me. The same thing goes for all others installing these applications.
Without a MTA these messages are lost in bit space.
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applications have a requirement of a MTA so that the MTA is
installed when those applications are installed on the system.
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't use the local system
to receive emails. And even if I do, it's not going to send those emails to
gmail is it?
OK, the documentation should have let you now how to set up
/etc/aliases, *and* also inform you to set up the mail client of your
choice to receive that mail.
moving the MTA.
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bugs cannot be fixed.
I will make a fresh install in VirtualBox and take a closer look.
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On 01/03/2014 04:13 PM, Steven Stern wrote:
Any idea what I need to do to get my cron email restored?
Is it an upgraded system or a new install? If it is a new install
sendmail is no longer installed, so you have to install it yourself.
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your script did not output any
data this time?
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On 01/03/2014 06:31 PM, Pete Travis wrote:
On Jan 3, 2014 4:08 AM, "Lars E. Pettersson" mailto:l...@homer.se>> wrote:
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> On 01/03/2014 05:07 AM, Pete Travis wrote:
>>
>> I think there was some misunderstanding here. If you can't find your
>>
ra work)
OK, count me in... Could be a good way to get to know that system a bit
better.
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On 01/03/2014 08:32 PM, Tom H wrote:
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Rahul, as long as we have applications that do send mail, we need an MTA to
take care of these mails, or else they are totally lost. Or at least let
those applications have a requirement of a MTA so
formed.
Am I really that bad at explaining what the problem is?
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On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we
have these other future notification mechanisms ready?
*Exactly*
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reads the file
/etc/sysconfig/iptables to setup the firewall. The command iptables-save
would give you a starting point for that file.
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On 01/04/2014 03:13 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Jan 3, 2014, at 6:41 PM, "Lars E. Pettersson" wrote:
On 01/04/2014 02:40 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote:
What I fail to follow is, why break the existing mechanism *before* we
have these other future notification mechanisms ready?
*Exactly
he subject, and you will see.
Please read the question you quoted, the first one in this mail. Try to
understand what it says.
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stem daemons. An entirely different creature.
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g sshd does not interfere with other applications
"notification" systems.
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On 01/05/2014 09:25 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
I use nfs from Windows 8.1 to Fedora (filestore\backup etc..)
As well as between Fedora Boxes
Have you tried sshfs? We moved to that at work years ago (to share
between Linux boxes, but windows applications for sshfs also exist).
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pise mail is no reason to remove the MTA when applications
actually rely on an existing MTA. You can not generalize your way of
doing things to the entire community. The mail mechanics is there for a
reason, and has proven its validity for decades.
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nd that no packages are
out of sync?
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at.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1047719> bug about the
journal being extremely slow.
What numbers do you get for:
time journalctl | grep xyz
journalctl --disk-usage
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erves me well...
Do not name your interfaces eth0, eth1, etc if you have several
interfaces, that will create problems depending on when the different
network interfaces are started, use names as wan, lan, etc. instead.
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ick in the upper right corner, and
then click on the icon with a wrench and a screw driver), chose
'Details', there you will find 'Default Applications'
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. To read the
journal you need journalctl, or similar program, as the journal is
binary and not readily readable.
Another reason is that there still exist programs/daemons/etc. that rely
on the logs in /var/log.
If you do not like syslogd, well F20 does not ship it anymore...
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On Feb 27, 2014, at 12:28 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 02/26/14 19:23, lee wrote:
What is the purpose of this log duplication? When systemd has its own
logs, it doesn´t seem necessary to duplicate them by sending their
contents to syslogd
ur (the way yum does it),
make a CC to that bug.
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unning kernel, so what is your point? :)
feel free to reopen the bug too, otherwise it might get off the radar.
How do I, as a normal user, re-open a bug? Can not see any way more than
cloning it. Is that how it's supposed to be done? (Google gave no
conclusive answer)
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it (the avahi-daemon package named avahi) with
yum due to dependencies.
Perhaps /usr/sbin/avahi-daemon and associated files should be moved to
an avahi-daemon package?
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On 08/04/2013 10:16 AM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On 07/31/2013 05:15 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
You are confusing the avahi library with the avahi daemon. The daemon
...
I see no further point in discussing this thread. The avahi service is
not a dependency on anything serious and you can
A Bugzilla report on this exist
since February 20th.
I updated the bug, to hopefully get some action.
<https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=913168>
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* rpmfusion-nonfree-updates: ftp-stud.hs-esslingen.de
* updates: ftp.lysator.liu.se
No packages marked for update
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On 12/26/2013 06:46 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
On my desktop it took 6 seconds, starting July 6, but it had only a few
lines about the yum-cron problems the last two weeks. So on that
computer I seem to miss a lot of lines in the systemd-log, that is
present in the /var/log/cron file.
Ah
27;t have to dig into dconf
with dconf-editor. Will make life a tad easier for the ordinary user.
I should perhaps write a RFE on that...
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; does not produce the same output as
'journalctl --since today | grep cron' (which more or less resembles
what I have in /var/log/cron). Shouldn't -u crond produce the same
output (more or less) as /var/log/cron?
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Rebooted. No FC19. Booted into FC18.
What does 'cat /etc/issue' say?
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iguration files that need
updates (check with diff what the differences are, if something
significant, update the configuration file)
find / -xdev -name '*.rpmnew' -o -name '*.rpmsave'
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. Who knows...
But I just updated <https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1121331>
to reflect that the problem is still present in Fedora 21 (the bug was
filed to Fedora 20).
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C3 (GF106)GeForce GT (440, 445M, 545, 555M, 630M, 635M), GTS
450, GTX 460M, Quadro 2000 (D), 2000M
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a bug report/RFE on this. Is there anyone out there
that have done this, from anaconda? I.e. creating raid partitions and
BIOS boot partitions on ALL disks? If so, how did you do it?
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partition on all disks, but anaconda seem to only install it on one of
the disks (i.e. I want the exactly identical partition tables on all disks).
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="255.255.255.240"
I think you need to add
ONPARENT=yes
to make it start when its parent does.
That is at least the major difference I see comparing to my setup.
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> 29 aug 2014 kl. 00:12 skrev Robert Moskowitz
> Add this to ifcfg-eth0:0 and no change.
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> :(
Ok. Another difference I see is that my interface is named :1, i.e. in my case
wan:1 Not sure if that makes any difference though, was years since I set this
up :)
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On 08/31/14 21:27, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Aug 28, 2014, at 12:37 PM, Lars E. Pettersson wrote:
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Yes, that was my intention, raid1 for /boot and raid6 for / Accidentally I set
/boot also to raid6 :) But that can be fixed.
Or do n-way raid1, which will cause /boot to have as many copies
status some_service' take way too long time due to the
sluggish journal.
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ist of all bash'es
<http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1088>
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this happen, but it is really
annoying. Look at the syslog files, to see if they contain old log entries.
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lines you are missing are probably above
the Sep 21 line.
I have net (yet) bothered to file a bug on it (or search for bugs about
it), but perhaps it is time to do so. The journal should not do this.
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nt to connect to other computers outside of this subnet, you need a
gateway. You probably also need a gateway to do name resolution,
depending on how you have setup that.
Can you ping computers on your subnet? Using their IP-address?
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he scripts you mentioned earlier.
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re to send the data packets.
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lD is stopped.
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IPADDR="198.168.20.5"
...
Is this significant? I can ping 198.168.20.5 successfully, but Wireshark does
not see any packets.
Can you ping the HDTV tuner device from your 198.168.20.5 computer?
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l not work.
I would advice you to setup the IP-numbers so that all units that are
physically connected together (via cable or switch) are on the same
network. So change the IP-number of 192.168.10.3, into 198.168.20.3 (if
that number is not used by any other device), and it should work.
(depending on if
ctrl-alt-bs is configured or not).
Are you able to login fully when this happens? Are you using Gnome?
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On 10/07/14 17:58, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 07 October 2014, Lars E. Pettersson sent:
192.168.10.3 and 198.168.20.5 are on two different networks.
That depends on network configuration (where your netmask is), and what
hardware (if any) is between devices.
Yes, but 192.168.10.3 and
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