like that. Please, make
Fedora mailing list friendly to outsiders.
Cheers.
[1] http://vger.kernel.org/vger-lists.html
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m the list.
Moreover, a project like linux can have a git issue, so a member can
Cc the git mailing list, since both LKML and git mls are sane, the Cc
headers are kept properly (cross posting is easy). With Fedora? People
in the Feodra ml would hijack the thread and the responses wouldn't go
to L
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> In order to do that I have to subscribe, which takes more than a few
>> bounces, and that's the problem.
>
> Something wrong with *your* mail, then, if there'
t. And
> those of us here on the list can do nothing about it anyway. Only the
> list manager's opinion really counts, so if you want to make a serious
> argument about it, that's where it should be directed.
And who is that? Do I need to subscribe to yet another
t:
>
> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
Indeed.
And there shouldn't be a "your post is waiting for moderator approval"
automatic reply if there isn't any.
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 5:54 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 07/05/2010 07:57 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> I took a considerable amount of time writing that email, it's not nice
>> for non-subscriber mails to just be dropped like that. Please, make
>> Fedora mailing
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:24 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 7:57 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Orthogonal to this is that the mailing lists should not mingle with
>> "Reply-To"; they should leave the To and Cc fields intact, so that the
>> MUA can
for all the mailing lists and gather all the recipients =/
> Maybe send an email to them with your concerns?
> Pointing back to yuor original mail in the archive,
> same url as above.
At least Chris Tyler already replied on this thread, but sure, I'll
try to resend the mail to them.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 8:47 PM, Greg Woods wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Fact: a community benefits from all kinds of contribution, even from
>> one-post people
>
> That is an opinion, not a fact.
So you are saying that it's not
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:12 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
> On 07/05/2010 01:13 PM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would
>> follow it
>
> Fact: if it were too easy, spam would overwhelm everything else, and the
> lis
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:24 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 1:42 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Is it so much to ask for you to hit "reply to all" instead of "reply"
>> (depending on the case), so that other people can have the benefits of
>
x27;s why care must be taken to not let that happen. A
combination of good spam filtering and moderation seems to work fine
on other mailing lists.
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:12 PM, JD wrote:
> On 07/05/2010 11:57 AM, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 9:00 PM, Alan Cox wrote:
>>>> Fact: the most difficult a process is to follow, the less people would
>>>> follow it
>>> Correct -
each Fedora mailing list when he want to send some mail... that person
is not part of the community? Thanks for letting me know I'm not part
of the community, I was under the wrong impression.
Moreover, you don't have to be part of whatever you call the community
to contribute to it.
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:29 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 2:49 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> The problem is not in the system.
>
> The sender has to realise that he/she has sent a private email! LOL
Yeah, so? It's a user mistake, it's up to the user h
On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 10:30 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> On the sign up page for the list:
>>> https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users
>>>
>>> near the bottom:
>>> users list run by...
>>
>> Th
not having to go
through the same.
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ml, so the non-subscriber and f...@lists.f.o wouldn't
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On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 11:33 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> Also, what happens if I choose to stay subscribed, but decide to turn
>> mail delivery off? Well, I can send mails, but I will not get the
>> replies.
>>
&g
en Reply-To munging is off; it's easy from the MUA to choose between
single reply, and reply to all. When it's on, then *all* the mail goes
to the mailing list by default.
So if anything, Reply-To munging would cause more private mail go to
the mailing list (i.e. I typed 'r'
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 2:18 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 05Jul2010 20:02, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> | On Mon, Jul 5, 2010 at 4:20 PM, Tim wrote:
> | > On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 14:57 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> | >> In order to do that I have to subscribe, which
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 22:24 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Anyway, if non-subscribers are not welcome, then I guess I'll just
>> refrain from posting here just like everybody else, even when I'm
>>
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 4:02 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> On Mon, 2010-07-05 at 20:13 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Fact: the current system doesn't allow cross-posting
>
> Nothing in the current system prevents cross-posting. It's explicitly
> discouraged
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Tue, Jul 06, 2010 at 09:05:33 +0300,
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>> So if anything, Reply-To munging would cause more private mail go to
>> the mailing list (i.e. I typed 'r' in mutt, not &
On Tue, Jul 6, 2010 at 6:09 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>> Prior to today the list was set to discard posts from non-members.
>>> This setting was made before any of the current list admins were
>>> present AFAIK. I believe that s
moderator *today*. Would
any extra spam reach your inbox? No.
*I* (the moderator) would have to approve it first. If I'm bad at my
job I would not be processing mails very fast, but approving spam is
something no sober normal human would do (only perhaps in vary rare
occasions).
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras wrote:
> | But the actual steps you have to do are different depending on the
> | list manager; majordomo is different than mailman.
>
> So? It is not _very_ different.
It is. Try it.
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 6:41 PM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 07, 2010 at 13:02:37 +0300,
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>>
>> Who are those mythical creatures that don't know about "reply to all"?
>> I keep hearing about them, but as far as I know ev
On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 4:59 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> At least you can remove the "Your message to $foo awaits moderator
>> approval" automatic reply; it's clearly a lie.
>
> I don't receive those messages when I post from
re used to Reply-To munging can get used to
clicking "reply to all"; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality
is lost. OTOH the people that enjoy the benefits of not munging can't
really do anything to make the features work; it's not possible,
period. So IMO munging advoca
t reply, and expect it to do the right thing.
I wonder, how do you think people are able to maintain private
conversations between multiple parties if they "will just hit reply"?
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On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 3:44 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> On Wed, Jul 7, 2010 at 2:07 AM, Cameron Simpson wrote:
>> On 06Jul2010 09:47, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> | Well, the Reply-To
>> | munging will override the Cc and make all the replies go to the ml
>> | *only*
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 4:44 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
> On Thu, 2010-07-08 at 13:29 +0300, Felipe Contreras wrote:
>> Also, people that are used to Reply-To munging can get used to
>> clicking "reply to all"; it's a matter of habit, but no functionality
&
eset for them. People
>>> will just hit reply, and expect it to do the right thing.
>
> Felipe Contreras:
>> I wonder, how do you think people are able to maintain private
>> conversations between multiple parties if they "will just hit reply"?
>
> Why do yo
On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 11:27 PM, Tom H wrote:
> On Sat, Jul 10, 2010 at 5:20 AM, Felipe Contreras
> wrote:
>> On Fri, Jul 9, 2010 at 8:48 AM, Tim wrote:
>>> In my opinion, many lists set the reply-to address because those lists
>>> are intended to keep rep
lt" reply button's meaning. Then the situation that _drives_ the
> common list configuration of the reply-to would not be as prevalent.
I agree with that. However people can learn. Even a monkey quickly
learns to press a new button for food, and stop pressing the old one
which n
On Thu, Jul 8, 2010 at 1:29 PM, Felipe Contreras
wrote:
> I haven't seen a summary of this big thread, so I'm going to try to
> write one. I'll focus on Reply-To munging here (orthogonal to
> non-subscribers).
Sorry for replying again on this thread, but I found a
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