Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Berend De Schouwer
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 17:32 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > On 4/11/18 4:44 pm, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > On 11/3/18 10:19 PM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > What is this io, and can it be stopped? I want to allow the disks > > > to enter > > > low power mode (not spin down) when idle. > > > > I'm assu

Systemd update

2018-11-04 Thread jarmo
Brought nasty surprise. I have selinux disabled has been in F28 and upgraded F29. Now, I can't get laptop (HP) running. Stops to: Can't find selinux policy freezing! Upgrade itself went smoothly, but this last systemd upgrade made it. Shortest way to repair system. Laptop is for testing, so no imp

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky
On 4/11/18 6:39 pm, Berend De Schouwer wrote: On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 17:32 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: On 4/11/18 4:44 pm, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/3/18 10:19 PM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: What is this io, and can it be stopped? I want to allow the disks to enter low power mode (not spin down) w

Re: Systemd update

2018-11-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/4/18 3:41 PM, jarmo wrote: > Brought nasty surprise. I have selinux disabled has been in F28 > and upgraded F29. Now, I can't get laptop (HP) running. Stops > to: Can't find selinux policy freezing! > Upgrade itself went smoothly, but this last systemd upgrade > made it. > > Shortest way to r

Re: Systemd update

2018-11-04 Thread jarmo
Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:58:07 +0800 Ed Greshko kirjoitti: > You can probably get it to boot by adding "selinux=0" to the boot > params.  Other words live media and edit via that. As quessed.. Tnx, Jarmo ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject

Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread ja
I have made a clean installed of F29 onto a small SSD and had a few problems which may be of interest. 1. It was necessary to separately dd and recreate the required partitions using gdisk to get the installer to accept a custom layout. The installer would not let me use the e

Re: Systemd update

2018-11-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/4/18 4:26 PM, jarmo wrote: > Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:58:07 +0800 > Ed Greshko kirjoitti: > > >> You can probably get it to boot by adding "selinux=0" to the boot >> params.  > Other words live media and edit via that. As quessed.. > No, I meant when you get the boot screen to select which kernel

Re: Systemd update

2018-11-04 Thread jarmo
Sun, 4 Nov 2018 17:52:11 +0800 Ed Greshko kirjoitti: > No, I meant when you get the boot screen to select which kernel to > start that you type "e" and edit the linux16 line to add that to the > end. Sri, not good morning :) didn't think that... Now works, was my stupid editing selinux config fi

Re: Will a T42 thinkpad run F29?

2018-11-04 Thread Ted Roche
Hi, Beartooth: IIRC when discussed in January, people pointed you to the 32-bit distro, as the T42 runs a 32-bit Pentium-M processor. That's what I'd try. On Sat, Nov 3, 2018 at 5:59 PM Beartooth wrote: > > Background: F28 has been the first Fedora release that has given > troubles on

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Berend De Schouwer
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 18:57 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > On 4/11/18 6:39 pm, Berend De Schouwer wrote: > > On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 17:32 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > On 4/11/18 4:44 pm, Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > > On 11/3/18 10:19 PM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > > > > > What is this io, and can

gnome-control-center coredumps

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
I tried to run gnome-control-center under KDE to look at some Gnome- related settings, and got this: $ gnome-control-center (gnome-control-center:12420): dbind-WARNING **: 12:02:42.073: Couldn't register with accessibility bus: Did not receive a reply. Possible causes include: the remote appli

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Digimer writes: On 2018-11-03 10:49 a.m., Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: > Legally that may be correct. But who's the main sponsor for Fedora? [1] > And usually the guy who pays for the orchestra decides for the tunes > that are played. Correct? No, not correct. Red Hat funds a lot of projects, simpl

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 16:19:45 +1100 Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > I then mounted it on a new mount point which I have no process using. I > started hearing > knocks from the PC case, and touching the disks revealed that they all had > activity 1-2 > times a second, concurrently, leading to the louder t

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky
On 4/11/18 11:11 pm, Berend De Schouwer wrote: On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 18:57 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: On 4/11/18 6:39 pm, Berend De Schouwer wrote: On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 17:32 +1100, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: On 4/11/18 4:44 pm, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/3/18 10:19 PM, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote:

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky
On 4/11/18 11:49 pm, Tom Horsley wrote: On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 16:19:45 +1100 Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: I then mounted it on a new mount point which I have no process using. I started hearing knocks from the PC case, and touching the disks revealed that they all had activity 1-2 times a second, conc

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Rex Dieter
Matthew Miller wrote: > On Fri, Nov 02, 2018 at 09:00:17PM -0400, William Oliver wrote: >> I just read this in The Register -- that RH is deprecating KDE in >> RHEL. As a long time fan of KDE, I'm a bit saddened. Is this planned >> for Fedora as well? > > Red Hat doesn't make decisions for Fed

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:34:00 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/3/18 9:48 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:39:41 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> That is a likely cause. Are there any other lines from logind in the > >> journal? What is in /proc/cmdline? > > > > I don't know hoe t

Re: Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 09:17 +, ja wrote: > 2. A fatal dnf error during installation of tex-fonts-hebrew rpm > required a complete start from scratch avoiding this particular rpm. > (Another 2.5GB download) Unless you explicitly deleted the cache (e.g. with 'dnf clean') it

Re: gnome-control-center coredumps

2018-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:11:08 + Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I tried to run gnome-control-center under KDE to look at some Gnome- > related settings, and got this: > > $ gnome-control-center > > ERROR:../shell/cc-shell-model.c:458:cc_shell_model_set_panel_visibility: > assertion failed: (va

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 5 Nov 2018 00:04:00 +1100 Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: > Interesting. The array was mounted for many hours, but maybe not long enough. At the low rate it does background activity, I'd guess days to get through 55TB. It took about a day to get through with my 8TB raid. __

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 07:24 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > That would only be true if Fedora incurs no expense to Red Hat. Perhaps some > minimal expense on the account of KDE will be tolerable. But I don't think > it would take a lot for KDE to leave via the same door where systemd came in.

Re: Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread ja
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 13:34 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 09:17 +, ja wrote: > > 2. A fatal dnf error during installation of tex-fonts-hebrew rpm > > required a complete start from scratch avoiding this particular rpm. > > (Another 2.5GB download

Is tracer working?

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
Since upgrading to F29 a couple of days ago I've continued my usual routine of running 'dnf update' every morning. However in contrast to what always happened with F28 (and earlier), I never get any feedback about restarting services or running apps, even when I know that something that is currentl

Re: Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:34:29 + Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Unless you explicitly deleted the cache (e.g. with 'dnf clean') it > should not have been necessary to repeat the download. I noticed the same thing, I found the keepcache parameter in the dnf.conf man page that says the default is F

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread William Oliver
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 07:07 -0600, Rex Dieter wrote: > Matthew Miller wrote: > > > snip > > > > That said: also, no, there is no such plan. As long as people are > > interested in working on it, there will be a KDE desktop option in > > Fedora. > > As a long-time contributor to fedora kde-sig,

Re: Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread stan
On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:29:08 + ja wrote: > There is a bug in the tex-fonts-hebrew rpm as trying to install > it on a working machine fails. > root@paxos:~]$ dnf install tex-fonts-hebrew > ... > Installed: tex-fonts-hebrew-0.1-28.fc29.noarch > > Installing : tex-fonts-hebrew-0.1-28.fc

Re: Will a T42 thinkpad run F29?

2018-11-04 Thread Beartooth
On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 06:31:52 -0500, Ted Roche wrote: > Hi, Beartooth: > > IIRC when discussed in January, people pointed you to the 32-bit distro, > as the T42 runs a 32-bit Pentium-M processor. > > That's what I'd try. You mean I was here before? Milles Pardons! And I'll go do

Re: Is tracer working?

2018-11-04 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno dom, 04/11/2018 alle 14.32 +, Patrick O'Callaghan ha scritto: > Has anyone else seen strange behaviour from tracer? Yes, there is something strange. I have update some packages this morning and do not have reboot. If I run "sudo tracer" none is show. If I run "sudo lsof|grep delete" I

Re: Problem AdobeReader after upgrade F28 to F29.

2018-11-04 Thread Max Pyziur
On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 2 Nov 2018 19:17:27 +0100 Markus Schönhaber wrote: Ger Van Dijck, Fri, 02 Nov 2018 14:32:43 +0100: The Acrobat Reader does not funktionate anymore : So I tried to reinstall it with AdbeRdr9.5.5-1_i486linux_enu.rpm . I get the message "build

dnf : Failed to set locale, defaulting to C

2018-11-04 Thread Adrian Sevcenco
Hi! I just upgraded fron f28 and when using dnf i get : Failed to set locale, defaulting to C but i have : [root@t420 ~]# rpm -qa | grep glibc-langpack glibc-langpack-en-2.28-9.fc29.x86_64 Does anyone have any idea what's going on? Thank you!! Adrian _

Re: gnome-control-center coredumps

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 08:39 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 12:11:08 + > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > I tried to run gnome-control-center under KDE to look at some Gnome- > > related settings, and got this: > > > > $ gnome-control-center > > > > ERROR:../shell/cc-shell-m

Re: Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 09:48 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 13:34:29 + > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Unless you explicitly deleted the cache (e.g. with 'dnf clean') it > > should not have been necessary to repeat the download. > > I noticed the same thing, I found the kee

Re: Is tracer working?

2018-11-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 17:40 +0100, Dario Lesca wrote: > Il giorno dom, 04/11/2018 alle 14.32 +, Patrick O'Callaghan ha > scritto: > > Has anyone else seen strange behaviour from tracer? > Yes, there is something strange. > I have update some packages this morning and do not have reboot. If I >

Re: dnf : Failed to set locale, defaulting to C

2018-11-04 Thread stan
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 19:51:40 +0200 Adrian Sevcenco wrote: > Hi! I just upgraded fron f28 and when using dnf i get : > Failed to set locale, defaulting to C > > but i have : > [root@t420 ~]# rpm -qa | grep glibc-langpack > glibc-langpack-en-2.28-9.fc29.x86_64 > > Does anyone have any idea what's

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Digimer
On 2018-11-04 7:24 a.m., Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Digimer writes: > >> On 2018-11-03 10:49 a.m., Wolfgang Pfeiffer wrote: >> > Legally that may be correct. But who's the main sponsor for Fedora? [1] >> > And usually the guy who pays for the orchestra decides for the tunes >> > that are played. Cor

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 5:25 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:34:00 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/3/18 9:48 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:39:41 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: That is a likely cause. Are there any other lines from logind in the journal? What is in /proc/cmdlin

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Tom Horsley
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:26:51 -0500 Digimer wrote: > SysV Init had to be replaced, it was terrible. Where "terrible" is a linux developer code word for "old" :-). ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to user

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Digimer
On 2018-11-04 4:33 p.m., Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:26:51 -0500 > Digimer wrote: > >> SysV Init had to be replaced, it was terrible. > > Where "terrible" is a linux developer code word for "old" :-). I'm still running our production clusters on cman + rgmanager, an old and deprec

Re: Why this activity on mounted but unused fs?

2018-11-04 Thread Eyal Lebedinsky
On 4/11/18 4:19 pm, Eyal Lebedinsky wrote: While configuring a new raid I ran iostat to see that it is idle. It was, and there was no io showing at all. I then mounted it on a new mount point which I have no process using. I started hearing knocks from the PC case, and touching the disks revea

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:25:47 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/4/18 5:25 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 22:34:00 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > >> On 11/3/18 9:48 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > >>> On Sat, 3 Nov 2018 21:39:41 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > That is a likely cause.

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: On Sun, 2018-11-04 at 07:24 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > That would only be true if Fedora incurs no expense to Red Hat. Perhaps some > minimal expense on the account of KDE will be tolerable. But I don't think > it would take a lot for KDE to leave via the same

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Digimer writes: SysV Init had to be replaced, it was terrible. Canonical didn't make a viable alternative, and no other projects were out there with any real viability. So they funded the creation and development of systemd and enough people liked it that it got picked up and hit critical mass.

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 3:08 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:25:47 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: These definitely seem relevant. You said it's an EFI system. Is /boot/efi mounted correctly? Thanks! I would guess so, given that it worked as expected with F28 (systemd 238-9). df -h /dev/nvme0n

Re: gnome-control-center coredumps

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 10:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I always assumed that the only reason for g-c-c to exist was so that users of other DEs could access Gnome settings. If it can only run under Gnome that rather defeats the purpose I would think. I'm pretty sure its primary purpose is to control th

Re: Will RedHat deprecate KDE on Fedora?

2018-11-04 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 15:26:51 -0500 > Digimer wrote: > > SysV Init had to be replaced, it was terrible. > > Where "terrible" is a linux developer code word for "old" :-). No, really, while SysV init was better than what came before, it was really pretty terrib

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hi Sam, Thanks very much again! On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 16:52:13 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/4/18 3:08 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 13:25:47 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > >> These definitely seem relevant. You said it's an EFI system. Is > >> /boot/efi mounted correctly? > >

Re: Clean Install of F29 problems

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 7:18 AM, stan wrote: On Sun, 04 Nov 2018 14:29:08 + ja wrote: warning: %post(tex-fonts-hebrew-0.1-28.fc29.noarch) scriptlet failed, exit status 255 Error in POSTIN scriptlet in rpm package tex-fonts-hebrew Installed: tex-fonts-hebrew-0.1-28.fc29.noarch This is strange, since it

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 5:21 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Nov 04 19:12:41 machine.name systemd-logind[805]: Enough swap for hibernation, Active(anon)=234032 kB, size=20967420 kB, used=0 kB, threshold=98% Your swap is fine. Nov 04 19:12:41 machine.name audit[805]: AVC avc: denied { read } for pid=805 comm

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:46:28 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 11/4/18 5:21 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Nov 04 19:12:41 machine.name systemd-logind[805]: Enough swap for > > hibernation, Active(anon)=234032 kB, size=20967420 kB, used=0 kB, > > threshold=98% > > Your swap is fine. > > > Nov 04 19:

OT: bash parameter substitutions

2018-11-04 Thread Mike Wright
Hi bash fans, There is such a thing as too terse. Can somebody explain what this cryptic snippet means? I get the "substitute part; it's the "error,exit" part that has me confounded. +--++---+--+ | | parameter

Re: Xfce 4.13 took it on the chin in FC29

2018-11-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 11/3/18 11:33 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: Hi All, Four machines upgraded to Fedora 29, two to go.  The last two are servers, so they are going to wait a bit. :-) Xfce 4.13 sure took it on the chin.  I just open up launcher panels no longer scale https://bugzilla.xfce.org/show_bug.cg

Re: hibernate stops working after upgrade to F29 from F28

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 7:09 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Sun, 4 Nov 2018 18:46:28 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: On 11/4/18 5:21 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Nov 04 19:12:41 machine.name kernel: audit: type=1400 audit(1541380361.892:226): avc: denied { read } for pid=805 comm="systemd-logind" name="nvme0n1p1" de

Re: OT: bash parameter substitutions

2018-11-04 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 11/4/18 10:00 PM, Mike Wright wrote: There is such a thing as too terse.  Can somebody explain what this cryptic snippet means?  I get the "substitute part;  it's the "error,exit" part that has me confounded. My assumption is that it will print an error and abort the script. ___