Re: [SOLVED] VPN l2tp+ipsec: not work with last kernel 4.11.3-200

2017-06-06 Thread Dario Lesca
Il giorno ven, 02/06/2017 alle 10.24 +0200, Dario Lesca ha scritto: > Yesterday I have update my fedora 25 and after reboot VPN l2tp+ipsec > do not work anymore. Solved with kernel update https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1458222 Thanks -- Dario Lesca (inviato dal mio Linux Fedora 25

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 05 June 2017, Walter H. sent: > I'm using inside my network a .local domain which is defined in a ZONE > on my DNS - so no problem ... If somewhere on your LAN are things using ZeroConf, Bonjour, or other similar autonomous psuedo-DNS software (client or server), then using

Private DNS (was: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature))

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On Tue, June 6, 2017 07:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: > .lan meets your requirements and I have seen that used. Or you could > make up something random. Since it's just your private network, if the > one you choose gets used later, you will have to change it again, but > you'll have lots of warning. I

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Robert Nichols
On 06/05/2017 11:31 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: As far as I know, there are no TLDs reserved for private networks. All users should use properly registered domains for all DNS zones, private and public. Swell. Happen to know of a registrar that will let me register a domain that has no public

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 09:38:39AM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > Swell. Happen to know of a registrar that will let me register a > domain that has no public facing DNS server? (At pretty much zero > cost, of course) Almost any registrar should let you do this. -- Matthew Miller Fedora Projec

Re: Running Starcraft?

2017-06-06 Thread Dave Johansen
On Mon, Jun 5, 2017 at 4:44 AM, Carlos "casep" Sepulveda < ca...@fedoraproject.org> wrote: > On 4 June 2017 at 20:45, Dave Johansen wrote: > > Has anyone been able to get the free version of Starcraft up and > running? I > > ran into the issue where ClientSdk.dll won't initialize ( > > https://bu

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On 06.06.2017 16:43, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 09:38:39AM -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: Swell. Happen to know of a registrar that will let me register a domain that has no public facing DNS server? (At pretty much zero cost, of course) Almost any registrar should let you do t

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Doug
On 06/05/2017 11:13 PM, Walter H. wrote: On Mon, June 5, 2017 22:25, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 11:44 AM, Walter H. wrote: On 05.06.2017 20:38, Samuel Sieb wrote: nslookup resolved the .local addresses? That's surprising and might be a problem. I'm using inside my network a .local dom

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread stan
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:38:39 -0500 Robert Nichols wrote: > On 06/05/2017 11:31 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > As far as I know, there are no TLDs reserved for private > > networks. All users should use properly registered domains for all > > DNS zones, private and public. > > Swell. Happen to

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Terry Polzin
On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 1:32 PM, stan wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:38:39 -0500 > Robert Nichols wrote: > > > On 06/05/2017 11:31 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > As far as I know, there are no TLDs reserved for private > > > networks. All users should use properly registered domains for all >

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2017-06-06 at 10:32 -0700, stan wrote: > On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 09:38:39 -0500 > Robert Nichols wrote: > > > On 06/05/2017 11:31 PM, Gordon Messmer wrote: > > > As far as I know, there are no TLDs reserved for private > > > networks. All users should use properly registered domains for all

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 10:28 AM, Doug wrote: was made by Murata. Now the problem: yesterday and today it is inaccessible by any means--ping by ip or name, or by nmap. I have tried connecting and disconnecting the lan cable, the power cable, and rebooted the router, but nothing works. And since I can't a

Re: Private DNS

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 04:56 AM, Walter H. wrote: the replied with the following: Regarding your private network, if it will not be published on Internet, you can use whatever you want. You may avoid to uses existing TLD's and reserved ones (such as .test, .example, .lan etc.) just in case. You can use f

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/05/2017 11:27 PM, Walter H. wrote: On Tue, June 6, 2017 07:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 10:19 PM, Walter H. wrote: p.s. in case the phenomenas of the OP won't change these are true bugs. I don't understand what you're saying here. the system/Firefox has to take e.g. proxy.my

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/05/2017 11:27 PM, Walter H. wrote: I had .home., but when I noticed that the pre-registration of .home. has started, I changed this to .local.; And that's when your problems started. at work we have company.local. You should warn them that they are going to run into the same problem a

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On 06.06.2017 20:13, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 11:27 PM, Walter H. wrote: On Tue, June 6, 2017 07:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 10:19 PM, Walter H. wrote: p.s. in case the phenomenas of the OP won't change these are true bugs. I don't understand what you're saying here. the s

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On 06.06.2017 20:15, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 11:27 PM, Walter H. wrote: I had .home., but when I noticed that the pre-registration of .home. has started, I changed this to .local.; And that's when your problems started. no. it startet with this Fedora box, or to say it differently I'

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 11:22 AM, Walter H. wrote: On 06.06.2017 20:13, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 11:27 PM, Walter H. wrote: On Tue, June 6, 2017 07:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 10:19 PM, Walter H. wrote: p.s. in case the phenomenas of the OP won't change these are true bugs. I don't u

2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread andrea
Hi, running F25 GNOME on Wayland and have 2 mice. One on the left and one on the right of the keyboard. I would like to set the left as left handed and the right as right handed. In GNOME settings I cannot change it per mouse, rather for all of the at the same time. I read that this is a libi

Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Alex
Hi, we have fedora25 set up with apache and dovecot and have been using squirrelmail. We're looking to replace squirrelmail with something more modern and "responsive" on mobile. Before I start installing and testing roundcube, rainloop, and the others, I thought I would ask this list if they have

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 19:28:03 +0100 andrea wrote: > Any suggestions? As near as I can tell Wayland was foisted off on everyone without providing most of the user level control you formerly had with X11, so step one is probably to stop using Wayland. Then you'll probably be able to use the xinput c

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 11:42 AM, Alex wrote: Hi, we have fedora25 set up with apache and dovecot and have been using squirrelmail. We're looking to replace squirrelmail with something more modern and "responsive" on mobile. Before I start installing and testing roundcube, rainloop, and the others, I thou

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 11:28 AM, andrea wrote: running F25 GNOME on Wayland and have 2 mice. One on the left and one on the right of the keyboard. I would like to set the left as left handed and the right as right handed. In GNOME settings I cannot change it per mouse, rather for all of the at the same

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 02:44:07PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > As near as I can tell Wayland was foisted off on everyone > without providing most of the user level control you Tom, this attitude like "foisted off" and similar (from other recent messages) really isn't welcome on this list. Please

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Alex
Hi, >> Hi, we have fedora25 set up with apache and dovecot and have been >> using squirrelmail. We're looking to replace squirrelmail with >> something more modern and "responsive" on mobile. >> >> Before I start installing and testing roundcube, rainloop, and the >> others, I thought I would ask

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 06/06/2017 11:42 AM, Alex wrote: Before I start installing and testing roundcube, rainloop, and the others, I thought I would ask this list if they have a preference for users on mobile? I've gotten to be pretty impressed with SOGo. They maintain a yum repo for customers. If you want to b

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 15:27:51 -0400 Alex wrote: > > Why wouldn't you just use an IMAP client on the phone? > > Yes, I agree, and that's what I've asked them to do, but they still > prefer the webmail client. Then that means they prefer squirrelmail, right? So you might as well keep using it or t

Re: Private DNS

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On 06.06.2017 20:11, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/06/2017 04:56 AM, Walter H. wrote: the replied with the following: Regarding your private network, if it will not be published on Internet, you can use whatever you want. You may avoid to uses existing TLD's and reserved ones (such as .test, .exampl

Re: Private DNS

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 12:41 PM, Walter H. wrote: On 06.06.2017 20:11, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/06/2017 04:56 AM, Walter H. wrote: So .lan. can't be used. > It can be used, just be aware that maybe someday in the future it will have a different meaning. you're kidding; as it seems there is no define

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On 06.06.2017 20:27, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/06/2017 11:22 AM, Walter H. wrote: On 06.06.2017 20:13, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 11:27 PM, Walter H. wrote: On Tue, June 6, 2017 07:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/05/2017 10:19 PM, Walter H. wrote: p.s. in case the phenomenas of the OP won't

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 12:36 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 15:27:51 -0400 Alex wrote: Why wouldn't you just use an IMAP client on the phone? Yes, I agree, and that's what I've asked them to do, but they still prefer the webmail client. Then that means they prefer squirrelmail, right? So

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/06/2017 12:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 02:44:07PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: As near as I can tell Wayland was foisted off on everyone without providing most of the user level control you Tom, this attitude like "foisted off" and similar (from other recent message

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 12:49 PM, Walter H. wrote: On 06.06.2017 20:27, Samuel Sieb wrote: Either you've been lucky or those other systems don't support MDNS yet. given the possibility that the strange phenomens mentioned in the OP are really caused by using .local as my intranet-TLD, then why doesn't ns

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread stan
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 19:28:03 +0100 andrea wrote: > Hi, > > running F25 GNOME on Wayland and have 2 mice. > One on the left and one on the right of the keyboard. > > I would like to set the left as left handed and the right as right > handed. I can't answer your question, but I also use two inpu

Re: Private DNS

2017-06-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/06/2017 12:41 PM, Walter H. wrote: I replied to this mail with: if I interpret your reply correctly, I could also use just .waldi or .waldinet? and their reply was: If it's only for internal network, you can use .waldi or .waldinet. If you really want to make sure it's unique, why do

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Andy Blanchard
On 6 June 2017 at 20:53, Samuel Sieb wrote: >> Then that means they prefer squirrelmail, right? So you might >> as well keep using it or they'll hate the replacement just >> as irrationally :-). > > > I would second this. Someone that prefers webmail *on a phone* over a > native app is likely to

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 12:58 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/06/2017 12:20 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Jun 06, 2017 at 02:44:07PM -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: As near as I can tell Wayland was foisted off on everyone without providing most of the user level control you Tom, this attitude like "foisted of

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 12:27 PM, Alex wrote: Yes, I agree, and that's what I've asked them to do, but they still prefer the webmail client. Maybe you could point out to them that all the major webmail (and forum) providers don't expect you to use the web interface on your phone. They provide alternat

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Walter H.
On 06.06.2017 21:59, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/06/2017 12:49 PM, Walter H. wrote: so when renaming my local domain to something different, this must be sure, that not any other future bug makes me renaming it again ... There are no guarantees, but at this point .lan is not likely to have any

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/06/2017 01:01 PM, Andy Blanchard wrote: "No, it's just you... The IMAP client is perfectly fine, here, look!" *evil grin* Have you been taking lessons from Simon the BOFH? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/06/2017 01:04 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: If you don't have a helpful comment, then just don't comment. That's my attitude as well. However, not everybody follows that practice and on the whole the list just regards it as blowing off steam and ignores it. What I don't understand is, why is

Re: Private DNS

2017-06-06 Thread Bob Marcan
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:47:49 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 06/06/2017 12:41 PM, Walter H. wrote: > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > [...] > > [...] > [...] > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe

Re: IP address or DNS name (bug or feature)

2017-06-06 Thread Bob Marcan
On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:59:07 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 06/06/2017 12:49 PM, Walter H. wrote: > [...] > [...] > [...] > > [...] > > [...] > ___ > users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To unsubscribe send an email to us

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/06/2017 11:42 AM, Alex wrote: > Hi, we have fedora25 set up with apache and dovecot and have been > using squirrelmail. We're looking to replace squirrelmail with > something more modern and "responsive" on mobile. Just to clarify for others reading this thread, Squirrelmail is a web-based m

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Alex
Hi, On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 06/06/2017 11:42 AM, Alex wrote: >> Hi, we have fedora25 set up with apache and dovecot and have been >> using squirrelmail. We're looking to replace squirrelmail with >> something more modern and "responsive" on mobile. > > Just to cla

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 02:01 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: Just to clarify for others reading this thread, Squirrelmail is a web-based mail _server_, not a client. It pulls mail off an MTA (mail transport agent like sendmail) by either behaving like an MDA (mail delivery agent) or by using a real MDA such as do

Re: Private DNS

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 01:47 PM, Bob Marcan wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 12:47:49 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: On 06/06/2017 12:41 PM, Walter H. wrote: [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] [...] ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org T

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 01:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 06/06/2017 01:04 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: If you don't have a helpful comment, then just don't comment. That's my attitude as well. However, not everybody follows that practice and on the whole the list just regards it as blowing off steam and ignore

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/06/2017 02:14 PM, Alex wrote: > Hi, > > On Tue, Jun 6, 2017 at 5:01 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> On 06/06/2017 11:42 AM, Alex wrote: >>> Hi, we have fedora25 set up with apache and dovecot and have been >>> using squirrelmail. We're looking to replace squirrelmail with >>> something more mode

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/06/2017 02:17 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 06/06/2017 02:01 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> Just to clarify for others reading this thread, Squirrelmail is a >> web-based mail _server_, not a client. It pulls mail off an MTA (mail >> transport agent like sendmail) by either behaving like an MDA (ma

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Doug
On 06/06/2017 03:01 PM, stan wrote: On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 19:28:03 +0100 andrea wrote: Hi, running F25 GNOME on Wayland and have 2 mice. One on the left and one on the right of the keyboard. I would like to set the left as left handed and the right as right handed. I can't answer your questio

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 06/06/2017 03:04 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: I think of Squirrelmail as a remote MUA or an MUA proxy. The MUA functionality remains on the Squirrelmail server--not on the client as in a classic MUA. It simply uses the browser to do the GUI part of the job. You have to explicitly request downloadin

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/06/2017 03:11 PM, Doug wrote: > > On 06/06/2017 03:01 PM, stan wrote: >> On Tue, 6 Jun 2017 19:28:03 +0100 >> andrea wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> running F25 GNOME on Wayland and have 2 mice. >>> One on the left and one on the right of the keyboard. >>> >>> I would like to set the left as left

Re: Modern webmail client

2017-06-06 Thread Rick Stevens
On 06/06/2017 03:19 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 06/06/2017 03:04 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> I think of Squirrelmail as a remote MUA or an MUA proxy. The MUA >> functionality remains on the Squirrelmail server--not on the client as >> in a classic MUA. It simply uses the browser to do the GUI part o

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread jdow
On 2017-06-06 15:20, Rick Stevens wrote: Wait, isn't that the same philosophy that IBM had for their floppy drives where they couldn't be bothered to put the correct drive select jumpers in, wired them all up so drive select 1 was active and required you to split and put a weird twist in the rib

Re: 2 mice: left & right handed

2017-06-06 Thread Doug
Thanx, JoAnne! --doug On 06/06/2017 05:24 PM, jdow wrote: On 2017-06-06 15:20, Rick Stevens wrote: Wait, isn't that the same philosophy that IBM had for their floppy drives where they couldn't be bothered to put the correct drive select jumpers in, wired them all up so drive select 1 was activ