Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 18/1/17 7:51 am, Ed Greshko wrote: On 01/18/17 04:39, Stephen Morris wrote: Thanks Ed. I haven't written my own systemd units as I haven't investigated how to do that, so at the moment I don't have the expertise to do so. I've written in another response to my original thread that I may hav

Re: Networkmanagre Refuses to use my Dlink DWA-192 USB Wifi Device in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 18/1/17 8:14 am, Rick Stevens wrote: On 01/17/2017 01:12 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: On 18/1/17 6:40 am, Rick Stevens wrote: On 01/17/2017 12:12 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: On 17/1/17 7:49 am, Rick Stevens wrote: On 01/16/2017 12:22 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/16/2017 12:17 PM, Stephen Morris w

Re: Networkmanagre Refuses to use my Dlink DWA-192 USB Wifi Device in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 18/1/17 7:44 am, Terry Polzin wrote: In my experience, you won't get any further than lsusb "seeing" the device if you haven't the firmware. It may be blacklisted. How do I determine if it or wifi has been blacklisted? On reflecting on this issue there is a possibility that I may have manual

How to install all games with dnf?

2017-01-18 Thread Frédéric Bron
How to install all games with dnf? I tried both: $ dnf group install with-optional games and $ dnf group install games but my children still complain they do not have all the games they had before I reinstalled the system. Cheers, Frédéric ___ users ma

Re: How to install all games with dnf?

2017-01-18 Thread Hossein Aghaie
for checkout list of all groups run this command : #dnf group list and for install group use this command : #dnf group install "Games and Entertainment" On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 1:58 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote: > How to install all games with dnf? > I tried both: > $ dnf group install wi

Re: How to install all games with dnf?

2017-01-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 01/18/17 18:28, Frédéric Bron wrote: > How to install all games with dnf? > I tried both: > $ dnf group install with-optional games > and > $ dnf group install games > > but my children still complain they do not have all the games they had > before I reinstalled the system. > You may want to

Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Sam Varshavchik
One of my servers was a bit "unresponsive". After waiting about 20 seconds for an ssh connection, the root shell seemed fine, but top showed this: top - 06:31:36 up 3 days, 21:37, 2 users, load average: 6.00, 6.00, 6.00 Tasks: 294 total, 1 running, 277 sleeping, 0 stopped, 16 zombie %Cpu

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2017-01-18 at 00:42 +, James Hogarth wrote: > On 17 Jan 2017 10:44 pm, "Greg Woods" wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > I really don't care about the performance of Windows. I > > > Up to a point, I don't either. But the performance is so bad u

Re: KVM and 3D?

2017-01-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2017-01-17 at 20:10 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 16:58:45 -0800 > Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > Not entirely true. There was some work done on a virtio GL driver. I > > don't have the references handy, but there was a working Linux Mesa > > driver for it. Any other OS

safety

2017-01-18 Thread Patrick Dupre
Hello, When you log from the graphics interface (gnome) and provide the password, if the system is slow (long response time), then the password can appear in clear !!! This my be annoying! === Patrick DUPRÉ | | email: pdu..

Re: safety

2017-01-18 Thread Joachim Backes
On 01/18/17 15:51, Patrick Dupre wrote: Hello, When you log from the graphics interface (gnome) and provide the password, if the system is slow (long response time), then the password can appear in clear !!! Hi Patrick, having the same issue if booting into runlevel 3 and then login: if I'm t

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/18/2017 03:41 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: top - 06:31:36 up 3 days, 21:37, 2 users, load average: 6.00, 6.00, 6.00 Tasks: 294 total, 1 running, 277 sleeping, 0 stopped, 16 zombie Why do you have 16 zombies after just under 4 days? ___ use

Re: safety

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 08:25 AM, Joachim Backes wrote: > On 01/18/17 15:51, Patrick Dupre wrote: >> Hello, >> >> When you log from the graphics interface (gnome) and provide the >> password, if the system is slow (long response time), then the >> password can appear in clear !!! > > Hi Patrick, > > having

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 03:41 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > One of my servers was a bit "unresponsive". After waiting about 20 > seconds for an ssh connection, the root shell seemed fine, but top > showed this: > > top - 06:31:36 up 3 days, 21:37, 2 users, load average: 6.00, 6.00, 6.00 > Tasks: 294 total,

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/18/2017 09:20 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: And yes, I agree...systemd is a spectacular failure. This March, systemd will celebrate its 7th birthday. Complaints like this are about as useful as King Canute's attempt to hold back the tide. Don't you think it's time that you learned to stop w

Re: Networkmanagre Refuses to use my Dlink DWA-192 USB Wifi Device in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 01:54 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 18/1/17 7:44 am, Terry Polzin wrote: >> In my experience, you won't get any further than lsusb "seeing" the >> device if you haven't the firmware. It may be blacklisted. > How do I determine if it or wifi has been blacklisted? On reflecting on > t

Re: safety

2017-01-18 Thread Tom Rivers
On 1/18/2017 12:24 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: That's normal. The system (or shell) is echoing the input because the program you expect to consume the input isn't running or hasn't finished initializing yet. What do you expect the system to do? Not echo anything unless explicitly told to? Perhaps I

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 09:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/18/2017 09:20 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> And yes, I agree...systemd is a spectacular failure. > > This March, systemd will celebrate its 7th birthday. Complaints like > this are about as useful as King Canute's attempt to hold back the tide. > Don'

Re: safety

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 10:09 AM, Tom Rivers wrote: > On 1/18/2017 12:24 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> That's normal. The system (or shell) is echoing the input because the >> program you expect to consume the input isn't running or hasn't >> finished initializing yet. What do you expect the system to do? Not >

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Joe Zeff
On 01/18/2017 10:18 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: On 01/18/2017 09:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 01/18/2017 09:20 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: And yes, I agree...systemd is a spectacular failure. This March, systemd will celebrate its 7th birthday. Complaints like this are about as useful as King Canute's

RIP Fedora?

2017-01-18 Thread Phil Neck
Okay ... now I have your attention ... A funny thing happened to me the other day ... I tried upgrading a Fedora 22 VM which was running on about 30 different VMware architectures to Fedora 23. All but a couple worked perfectly but a couple (Both Dell servers) didn't. On these I can only describe

Re: safety

2017-01-18 Thread Tom Rivers
On 1/18/2017 1:25 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: That's not what's happening here. The user is starting a program, then immediately typing in the expected password before the program starts, essentially making use of the type-ahead capability of the shell. The program hasn't, well, "registered" its stdi

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 17/1/17 6:36 am, Stephen Morris wrote: Hi, My Nas device now fails to mount at boot time via the CIFS definition in fstab but the corresponding NFS definition mounts quite happily. Also after the system comes up and I log into KDE I can manually mount the CIFS device. As far as I am a

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Tom Horsley
On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:02:28 +1100 Stephen Morris wrote: > Given > that both the CIFS and NFS mount points are being mounted in parallel it > is now potentially looking like SYSTEMD is problematic in its ability to > handle those mounts in parallel properly. Nah, it isn't parallel mounting, it

libc++ on Fedora 25 broken?

2017-01-18 Thread cen
Trying to compile a hello world cpp on Fedora 25 with clang++ and libc++. sudo dnf install clang libcxx-devel #include #include int main() { std::string a = "abc"; std::cout << a; } clang++ -stdlib=libc++ hello.cpp This results in a bunch of linker errors. What am I missing? Best r

gnome-shell, wayland problem with gnome-ssh-askpass

2017-01-18 Thread Brian Millett
Hello, My system: description: Laptop product: Inspiron 13-5368 (073B) vendor: Dell Inc. width: 64 bits capabilities: smbios-2.8 dmi-2.8 smp vsyscall32 configuration: boot=normal chassis=docking sku=073B uuid=44454C4C- 5700-1035-8043-B6C04F564232   *-core    description:

Re: gnome-shell, wayland problem with gnome-ssh-askpass

2017-01-18 Thread Zoltan Hoppar
Check dmesg with intel driver fifo underrun. 2017-01-18 21:36 GMT+01:00 Brian Millett : > Hello, > My system: > description: Laptop > product: Inspiron 13-5368 (073B) > vendor: Dell Inc. > width: 64 bits > capabilities: smbios-2.8 dmi-2.8 smp vsyscall32 > configuration: bo

Re: Networkmanagre Refuses to use my Dlink DWA-192 USB Wifi Device in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 19/1/17 3:43 am, Rick Stevens wrote: On 01/18/2017 01:54 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: On 18/1/17 7:44 am, Terry Polzin wrote: In my experience, you won't get any further than lsusb "seeing" the device if you haven't the firmware. It may be blacklisted. How do I determine if it or wifi has bee

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 19/1/17 6:11 am, Tom Horsley wrote: On Thu, 19 Jan 2017 07:02:28 +1100 Stephen Morris wrote: Given that both the CIFS and NFS mount points are being mounted in parallel it is now potentially looking like SYSTEMD is problematic in its ability to handle those mounts in parallel properly. Nah,

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 01/18/2017 01:39 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: What I don't understand is when there is a problem why it is always the CIFS mount that is the one that fails, I would have expected it to be random as to which one is the one that fails. Is it possible that the NAS doesn't handle it well when both m

Re: libc++ on Fedora 25 broken?

2017-01-18 Thread stan
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 21:21:17 +0100 cen wrote: > Trying to compile a hello world cpp on Fedora 25 with clang++ and > libc++. > > sudo dnf install clang libcxx-devel > > #include > #include > > int main() > { > std::string a = "abc"; > std::cout << a; > } > > clang++ -stdlib=libc++

Re: libc++ on Fedora 25 broken?

2017-01-18 Thread cen
That is what worries me actually. Apparently libc++abi has to be linked to libc++ but that is not the case with current package: ldd /usr/lib64/libc++.so linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffe1c7d8000) libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.so.0 (0x7f09d5072000) libc.so.6 => /lib64/libc.so.6

Re: %prep and %autosetup: move the unpacked source directory

2017-01-18 Thread Michael Schwendt
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 06:22:29 +, arnaud gaboury wrote: > > > At the begining of my build, I need: > > > - mkdir src/github.com/mattermost > > > -unzip the source in src/github.com/mattermost/plateform-master > > > - cd src/github.com/mattermost/plateform-master to start make. > > > > Why do y

Re: libc++ on Fedora 25 broken?

2017-01-18 Thread stan
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 23:27:03 +0100 cen wrote: > That is what worries me actually. Apparently libc++abi has to be > linked to libc++ but that is not the case with current package: > > ldd /usr/lib64/libc++.so > linux-vdso.so.1 (0x7ffe1c7d8000) > libpthread.so.0 => /lib64/libpthread.

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2017-01-18 at 10:29 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 01/18/2017 10:18 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > On 01/18/2017 09:33 AM, Joe Zeff wrote: > > > On 01/18/2017 09:20 AM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > > And yes, I agree...systemd is a spectacular failure. > > > > > > This March, systemd will celebrate

Re: Networkmanagre Refuses to use my Dlink DWA-192 USB Wifi Device in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 01:21 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: > On 19/1/17 3:43 am, Rick Stevens wrote: >> On 01/18/2017 01:54 AM, Stephen Morris wrote: >>> On 18/1/17 7:44 am, Terry Polzin wrote: In my experience, you won't get any further than lsusb "seeing" the device if you haven't the firmware. It

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/18/2017 02:08 PM, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 01/18/2017 01:39 PM, Stephen Morris wrote: >> What I don't understand is when there is a problem why it is always the >> CIFS mount that is the one that fails, I would have expected it to be >> random as to which one is the one that fails. >> > Is it

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Matthew Miller
On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 04:37:34PM -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: > I think the issue here is that systemd is non-determinate as to when > things actually get done. systemd simply spawns off some command, flags > itself saying "Ok, that's done" and then goes off on its merry way. It > doesn't verify th

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Rick Stevens said: > So, it launches > the network, says the network is up and moves along even though the > network isn't actually up. Your mount is sometimes attempted with a > functioning network and sometimes not. You're left to figure out why. That's not true. systemd dist

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2017, Joe Zeff sent: > I made that comment just to get in a reference to a movie from the > '60s, and that's all the response I get? I'm tempted to make some comment about Bat Guano... -- Boilerplate: All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is

Re: Where's my load average coming from?

2017-01-18 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tim said: > Allegedly, on or about 18 January 2017, Joe Zeff sent: > > I made that comment just to get in a reference to a movie from the > > '60s, and that's all the response I get? > > I'm tempted to make some comment about Bat Guano... If you do that, you'll have to answer

Re: Mount of NAS Ethernet Connect to Router Fails at Boot Time for CIFS Interface in F24

2017-01-18 Thread Stephen Morris
On 19/1/17 11:28 am, Matthew Miller wrote: On Wed, Jan 18, 2017 at 04:37:34PM -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: I think the issue here is that systemd is non-determinate as to when things actually get done. systemd simply spawns off some command, flags itself saying "Ok, that's done" and then goes of