panel locks after upgrade to F25

2016-12-20 Thread Maurizio Marini
Hello after upgrade to F25, panel locks randomly. I have KDE and plasma5. When it happens CTRL+ALT+F2 and back CTRL+ALT+F1 works for me. I wonder if I can clear something inside .config, something that is recreated fresh after logoff and login, to fix the issue or should I ask on ked mlists? Many t

Re: Advice needed for "opening a bug by usage of of the bugzilla page"

2016-12-20 Thread Joachim Backes
On 12/20/2016 06:39 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/20/16 13:22, Joachim Backes wrote: How to write a bug report for bugzilla (installed package not listed as fedora component [This happens if trying to write a BZ for gnome-terminal-nautilus])? If it were me I'd file it under "nautilus-extensio

Re: Advice needed for "opening a bug by usage of of the bugzilla page"

2016-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/20/16 18:03, Joachim Backes wrote: > On 12/20/2016 06:39 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> >> >> On 12/20/16 13:22, Joachim Backes wrote: >>> How to write a bug report for bugzilla (installed package not listed as >>> fedora component >>> [This happens if trying to write a BZ for gnome-terminal-nau

Re: panel locks after upgrade to F25

2016-12-20 Thread Temlakos
On 12/20/2016 03:32 AM, Maurizio Marini wrote: Hello after upgrade to F25, panel locks randomly. I have KDE and plasma5. When it happens CTRL+ALT+F2 and back CTRL+ALT+F1 works for me. I wonder if I can clear something inside .config, something that is recreated fresh after logoff and login, to fi

Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Sudhir Khanger
Hi, I update my Fedora Plasma desktop on a weekly basis. I have dnf tracer plugin installed. On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and

Re: panel locks after upgrade to F25

2016-12-20 Thread Ian Pilcher
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1399396 -- Ian Pilcher arequip...@gmail.com "I grew up before Mark Zuckerberg invented friendship" ===

Silly mistake. Now I have two 'default routes'.

2016-12-20 Thread Ron Leach
List, good evening, I wanted to change a Fedora 24 server's default outgoing route, using CLI over a local SSH connection. I found the ip command, read the man page for ip route, and gave the command: ron # ip route add default via 192.168.0.70 dev enp0s9 The server uses a static IP and its

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Bryon Adams
On 12/20/2016 05:43 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: Hi, I update my Fedora Plasma desktop on a weekly basis. I have dnf tracer plugin installed. On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are unacceptable bec

Re: Silly mistake. Now I have two 'default routes'.

2016-12-20 Thread Rami Rosen
Hi, It seems to me that the following should do the job: ip route del default via 192.168.0.60 dev enp0s9 I assume that your ssh client has access to 192.168.0.70, which is your new gateway. Regards, Rami Rosen בתאריך 20 בדצמ 2016 20:21, "Ron Leach" כתב: > List, good evening, > > I wanted to ch

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 12/20/2016 02:43 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and restarting them. That's unnecessary hassle and loss in

Re: Silly mistake. Now I have two 'default routes'.

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 08:40:27PM +0200, Rami Rosen wrote: > It seems to me that the following should do the job: > ip route del default via 192.168.0.60 dev enp0s9 > I assume that your ssh client has access to 192.168.0.70, which is your new > gateway. Yes, this should do it. But, Ron, please no

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread George N. White III
On 20 December 2016 at 14:40, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 12/20/2016 02:43 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote: > >> On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either >> restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are >> unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 a

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2016 11:02 AM, George N. White III wrote: Yes, some applications have a lengthy setup process and run for days, so are not appropriate for a system that is rebooted frequently. At my work, a window on one day a week is "reserved" for updates and possible reboots, so users can schedule

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 04:13:45PM +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote: > On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to > either restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these > options are unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and > restarting them. That's unnece

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:15:19AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > And some of us are using distributed computing, such as BOINC and > don't like interrupting the work. Aren't these things set up to be resiliant to nodes going in and out? -- Matthew Miller Fedora Project Leader ___

OT: Flash on (Linux-Based) Samsung SmartTV

2016-12-20 Thread Tim Evans
I'm trying to long-distance-coach a tech-challenged friend on using his Samsung SmartTV's web browser to view content his Cable TV service doesn't carry. (This is not trying to get around stuff without paying--the content, out of area sports, FWIW, is freely available to watch on his PC.) Whe

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2016 12:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:15:19AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: And some of us are using distributed computing, such as BOINC and don't like interrupting the work. Aren't these things set up to be resiliant to nodes going in and out? Yes, of course th

Re: OT: Flash on (Linux-Based) Samsung SmartTV

2016-12-20 Thread fred roller
Or a hdmi/vga cord and use the TV as a monitor. Usually a plug and play experience for the tech challenged. Since it already works on his pc/laptop should be easy. Fred Roller On Dec 20, 2016 4:04 PM, "Tim Evans" wrote: > I'm trying to long-distance-coach a tech-challenged friend on using his

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Rick Stevens
On 12/20/2016 01:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/20/2016 12:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: >> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:15:19AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> And some of us are using distributed computing, such as BOINC and >>> don't like interrupting the work. >> >> Aren't these things set up to be res

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2016 02:14 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: After a significant number of updates, it's probably be a good idea to reboot just to ensure you are using the latest kernel and that any services that were updated have been restarted. How and when that reboot cycle happens is completely up to you. You

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:27:48PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > The package yum-utils included the program needs-restarting, which > would tell you what running programs needed to be restarted because > of an update, although it didn't seem to go so far as to tell you > that you needed to reboot. Alas

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/21/16 06:27, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/20/2016 02:14 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: >> After a significant number of updates, it's probably be a good idea to >> reboot just to ensure you are using the latest kernel and that any >> services that were updated have been restarted. How and when that >>

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Tom Horsley
A far bigger problem that needing to reboot is that dnf seems to sometimes wack libraries that are in use and make my X session and/or system crash in the middle of an update. I never had that happen with yum, but I've seen it a couple of times with dnf (though I suspect it may have more to do with

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2016 02:54 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: This thead actually*started* as comments about dnf-plugin-tracer, which does exactly that. What other yum utilities are you, at this point, missing? None, actually. Due to hardware issues and other distractions my desktop is still using F 21, so

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 06:20:37PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > A far bigger problem that needing to reboot is that > dnf seems to sometimes wack libraries that are in > use and make my X session and/or system crash in the middle of > an update. I never had that happen with yum, but > I've seen it a

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 03:20:43PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: > None, actually. Due to hardware issues and other distractions my > desktop is still using F 21, so I still have yum and its utilities > if needed. BTW, is there a dnf equivalent to package-cleanup? I've > had to use it several times aft

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/21/16 06:54, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:27:48PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote: >> The package yum-utils included the program needs-restarting, which >> would tell you what running programs needed to be restarted because >> of an update, although it didn't seem to go so far a

Re: OT: Flash on (Linux-Based) Samsung SmartTV

2016-12-20 Thread Doug
On 12/20/2016 03:01 PM, Tim Evans wrote: I'm trying to long-distance-coach a tech-challenged friend on using his Samsung SmartTV's web browser to view content his Cable TV service doesn't carry. (This is not trying to get around stuff without paying--the content, out of area sports, FWIW, is

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2016 03:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Depends on which part. You can use dnf repoquery to list duplicates, leaf packages (now "unneeded", which I don't think is an improvement in clarity, but whatever), orphans ("extras", and ditto), unsatisfied deps (formerly "problems", now "unsatisfie

Re: OT: Flash on (Linux-Based) Samsung SmartTV

2016-12-20 Thread Doug
On 12/20/2016 03:30 PM, fred roller wrote: Or a hdmi/vga cord and use the TV as a monitor. Usually a plug and play experience for the tech challenged. Since it already works on his pc/laptop should be easy. Not necessarily. It does not follow that sound will go with the video. In Windows

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Wednesday 21 December 2016 7:02:43 AM IST Ed Greshko wrote: > The bottom line is if someone feels compelled to follow the suggestion that > you *should* reboot or that "should" is equivalent to *must* then just > don't apply updates until ready to take the necessary action to *fully* > apply the

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:39:08 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: > On 12/20/2016 03:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: > > Depends on which part. > > > > You can use dnf repoquery to list duplicates, leaf packages (now > > "unneeded", which I don't think is an improvement in clarity, but > > whatever), orphans ("ext

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:23:25 -0500 Matthew Miller wrote: > Neither systemd nor dnf are to blame -- but wayland is a lot more > fragile in this regard under the current design. I'm not using wayland, so that isn't it. ___ users mailing list -- users@list

Re: Auto suspend stopped working on my workstation

2016-12-20 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 19:35 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 11:10 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 00:28 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > > It happened a few weeks ago, so I don't recall what updates might > > > be > > > involved, but my workstati

Re: Auto suspend stopped working on my workstation

2016-12-20 Thread Rick Stevens
On 12/20/2016 05:11 PM, Matthew Saltzman wrote: > On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 19:35 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: >> On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 11:10 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Mon, 2016-12-19 at 00:28 +, Matthew Saltzman wrote: It happened a few weeks ago, so I don't recall what updat

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 7:09 PM Sudhir Khanger > > > I think the bottom line is that you are caught between a rock and a hard > place. Either take the productivity hit by updating and restarting or take > the > security hit by not updating. > You aren't in a rock and hard place though. Rest

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 12/21/2016 02:00 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote: On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:39:08 -0800 Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/20/2016 03:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: Depends on which part. You can use dnf repoquery to list duplicates, leaf packages (now "unneeded", which I don't think is an improvement in clarity, bu

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Tim
Sudhir Khanger: >> On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either >> restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are >> unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and restarting >> them. That's unnecessary hassle and loss in productivity. Bryo

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/20/2016 10:50 PM, Tim wrote: Programmers like the easiest solution of doing what they want, and let the user put up with the consequences. Users prefer things to be less intrusive. Correction: bad programmers do that and arrogant programmers assume that everybody is going to want to do

Re: Most system update requires system reboot or session restart

2016-12-20 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Wednesday 21 December 2016 2:37:41 AM IST Rahul Sundaram wrote: > You aren't in a rock and hard place though. Restarting is not strictly > necessary. It is a good idea however. You can also choose to use a more > conservative distribution and apply just security updates. C.f > RHEL/CentOS.