Dear list,
maybe since 2 weeks (close to upgrade to Twenty_One), my nfs shares are
no longer mounted at boot. Claims that the nfs server is not resolvable,
but it clearly is. Raised the timeo to 200, but no luck. Hints? Bugworthy?
regards Jens
[root@andrea ~]# systemctl status media-jessa.mo
On 02/22/2015 09:00 AM, Jens Neu wrote:
Dear list,
maybe since 2 weeks (close to upgrade to Twenty_One), my nfs shares are
no longer mounted at boot. Claims that the nfs server is not resolvable,
but it clearly is. Raised the timeo to 200, but no luck. Hints? Bugworthy?
regards Jens
forgot t
On 02/22/15 16:06, Jens Neu wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 09:00 AM, Jens Neu wrote:
>> Dear list,
>>
>> maybe since 2 weeks (close to upgrade to Twenty_One), my nfs shares are
>> no longer mounted at boot. Claims that the nfs server is not resolvable,
>> but it clearly is. Raised the timeo to 200, but no
On 02/22/2015 09:13 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
Are you using the DNS server of the nfs client system?
All my systems use 192.168.17.2 as dns server: nfs-server, client(s),
etc. Technically the dns server is a CentOS 6.6 KVM machine with bind9
on the nfs-server.
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On 02/22/15 17:40, Jens Neu wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 09:13 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>> Are you using the DNS server of the nfs client system?
>>
>
> All my systems use 192.168.17.2 as dns server: nfs-server, client(s), etc.
> Technically the dns server is a CentOS 6.6 KVM machine with bind9 on the
>
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 09:00:32 +0100
Jens Neu wrote:
> maybe since 2 weeks (close to upgrade to Twenty_One), my nfs shares are
> no longer mounted at boot.
My consistent experience is that systemd has no clue when
the network is "up" if by up you mean actually capable of
talking to other things on
Yes.I have noted systemd stops the network then tries to umount nfs
on fedora 20. Not really a good plan.
And I also did the rc.local mount as it was not mounting on boot because
it tries to mount nfs before the network is live and fails.
There do seem to be some significant issues around
On 02/22/2015 03:24 PM, Roger Heflin wrote:
Yes.I have noted systemd stops the network then tries to umount nfs
on fedora 20. Not really a good plan.
Did you try f21?
I share your experience on f20, but the effect "healed by itself" with
f21. Actually, this really annoying deficiency
When I try to run 'top' on the Fedora 21 system I am
installing I get the error:
'xterm-256color': unknown terminal type
'TERM=xterm top' also fails:
'xterm': unknown terminal type.
and fails the same way no matter what the terminal type is
set to. I don't have a TERMIFO_DIRS env variable s
Hello all,
I'm doing a new install of Fedora 21 and migrating apps and
services from my old Fedora 15 machine to it. I've run into
the following problem...
I have Postgresql-9.3 installed from the Fedora 21 yum repo
in order to satisfy any packages that need postgresql. But
I need to run Pos
Hi,
booted from the F21 XFCE spin and tried to create four primary partitions:
/boot/efi
swap
/
/home
However, this seems to be impossible. When choosing the last of the four
partitions, the F21 installer automatically generates a /dev/sda5, within an
extended partition (sda4). No matter what I
On 02/22/2015 10:16 AM, Stuart McGraw wrote:
When I try to run 'top' on the Fedora 21 system I am
installing I get the error:
'xterm-256color': unknown terminal type
Never mind... I posted another message to the list about
problems I was having trying to run two versions of Postgresql
and t
On 02/22/2015 09:35 AM, Stuart McGraw wrote:
Hello all,
I'm doing a new install of Fedora 21 and migrating apps and
services from my old Fedora 15 machine to it. I've run into
the following problem...
I have Postgresql-9.3 installed from the Fedora 21 yum repo
in order to satisfy any package
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 06:07:18PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> I read this:
>> http://www.aychedee.com/2012/03/14/etc_shadow-password-hash-formats/
>> But Fedora doesn't have mkpasswd by default, whereas passwd seems to
>> only update sha
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:12 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> Is there something I missed?
There is only one difference in functionality between 3 primaries + 1
extended, vs 4 primaries: the former can have more partitions added
without deleting any partitions. There's no actual advantage of
primary pa
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
> There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
> Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
The thing is that I no longer have the freedom to do what I want when
installing (unless I've missed something crucial). If there is
Hey,
I am unsure how to even look at the system now.
I have installed a Fedora 21 Gnome Desktop on a USB disk and while
updating+upgrading the system from the basic state (57X packages) there
was a power failure.
After turning on the PC I have tried to turn it on it was fine and booted.
I did
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 08:08:14PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> > There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
> > Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
> The thing is that I no longer have the freedom to do what I want when
> installing (unless I've missed
On 02/22/2015 12:08 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
The thing is that I no longer have the freedom to do what I want when
installing (unless I
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:13:28 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
> * how well it succeeds _is_ another question.
I gave up on installing on physical hardware as soon as the new
anaconda first showed up. I don't trust a single thing the
hopelessly obnoxious interface shows me and have no idea
what on eart
On 02/22/2015 12:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:13:28 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
* how well it succeeds _is_ another question.
I gave up on installing on physical hardware as soon as the new
anaconda first showed up. I don't trust a single thing the
hopelessly obnoxious int
On 02/22/2015 12:25 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Sun, 22 Feb 2015 14:13:28 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
* how well it succeeds _is_ another question.
I gave up on installing on physical hardware as soon as the new
anaconda first showed up. I don't trust a single thing the
hopelessly obnoxious int
On 02/22/2015 06:50 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
I share your experience on f20, but the effect "healed by itself" with
f21. Actually, this really annoying deficiency of f20 was the #1 reason
for me to switch to f21.
Unfortunately - whatever this problem is - it does not "heal itself"
with 21, s
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 09:35:54 -0700,
Stuart McGraw wrote:
I have Postgresql-9.3 installed from the Fedora 21 yum repo
in order to satisfy any packages that need postgresql. But
I need to run Postgresql-9.4 so I disabled the yum postgresql
startup via systemd and installed the EDB version
On 22.02.2015, Matthew Miller wrote:
> The installer UI is intended* to present meaningful decisions,
> and make those choices easier and more straightforward..
When I chose "custom partitioning", I actually chose to do things on my own,
which however won't be the case. That's weird. There's the
On 22.02.2015, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Instead, I install in a virtual machine where anaconda is free
> to trash the virtual disks in any way it sees fit, then I
> copy the virtual images to partitions I create myself
> adjust the grub.cfg and fstab files and boot using the
> configfile option of a
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:08 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> There's no actual advantage of primary partitions on linux anyway.
>> Extlinux depends on primary partitions, but GRUB doesn't.
>
> The thing is that I no longer have the freedom to do what I want when
>
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> I have a 2TB drive formatted as a single MBR partition.
> I guess that's just about the limit of and MBR partition size.
> But what if the sector size is made to be programmable
> and is increased at formatting time to values like 2K bytes
> or ev
On 02/22/2015 01:11 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:19 PM, jd1008 wrote:
I have a 2TB drive formatted as a single MBR partition.
I guess that's just about the limit of and MBR partition size.
But what if the sector size is made to be programmable
and is increased at formatt
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:29 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> Seems like grub UI could be improved by providing clearer
> explanations for each choice and it's consequences.
What GRUB UI? Haha. GRUB upstream is not targeted at the mortal user.
It's basically a buffet of tools for distributions, who then patc
On 02/22/2015 01:47 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:29 PM, jd1008 wrote:
Seems like grub UI could be improved by providing clearer
explanations for each choice and it's consequences.
What GRUB UI? Haha. GRUB upstream is not targeted at the mortal user.
It's basically a buff
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:56 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Matthew Miller wrote:
>
>> The installer UI is intended* to present meaningful decisions,
>> and make those choices easier and more straightforward..
>
> When I chose "custom partitioning", I actually chose to do things on my ow
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 1:21 PM, jd1008 wrote:
> Interesting.
> What about FreeBSD's UFS (sometimes aka FFS - fast fs)?
> Does it not also allow for FS blocksize to be > than page size?
The block size needing to be at or smaller than the page size is a
linux kernel limitation. So if FreeBSD allo
Hi everyone,
I have already found a solution to the problem I am about to discuss, I
am just posting this in case it can help someone else. I am also
wondering if there was a better way in case I missed it.
I have a Fedora 14 desktop, an F20 laptop, and 2 F21 laptops. All run
wireless except
On 02/22/2015 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
I completely disagree. More custom, more flexibility, in a GUI
installer, is a trap. It directly leads to unnecessary design work,
coding work, maintenance work, and bugs.
I can remember when custom partitioning let you do whatever you wanted,
even i
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:25 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 01:09 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> I completely disagree. More custom, more flexibility, in a GUI
>> installer, is a trap. It directly leads to unnecessary design work,
>> coding work, maintenance work, and bugs.
>
>
> I can remembe
On 02/22/2015 01:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Well you're not going to convince me that highly unusual requirements
is a valid reason for someone else to do the monumental amount of work
to get a GUI installer to do arbitrary things for what amounts to
total edge cases.
And yet, I used to be able
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 2:44 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 01:37 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Well you're not going to convince me that highly unusual requirements
>> is a valid reason for someone else to do the monumental amount of work
>> to get a GUI installer to do arbitrary things for
On 02/22/2015 02:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
If
you, who seems to care about such things so much, won't do that work,
then why should anyone else do it?
I haven't done any programming worth mentioning since the late '80s and
never learned python. My impression was that back then, anaconda used
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
> And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
> ever crash, or ask the user to create required partitions, they always
> succeed in their penultimate goal which is t
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:39:10PM +0100, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> I see. Maintainability preceeds flexibility by reducing/eliminating user
> influence at the same time. While it took over 100 years in medicine to reduce
> "i know what's best for you" and moving towards "shared decision making", it
> g
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:19 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 02:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> If
>> you, who seems to care about such things so much, won't do that work,
>> then why should anyone else do it?
>
>
> I haven't done any programming worth mentioning since the late '80s and
> nev
On 02/22/2015 03:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Yes. Matthew already mentioned that. The exception is that the
installer insists on root fs being formatted by the installer.
I see no problem with that. If I'm doing a clean install, that's what I
want anyway, and with today's machines, the amount
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
> On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
>> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
>> And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
>> ever crash, or ask the user to create required partitions,
Hi,
On 02/22/2015 01:23 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 11:58 PM, Matthew Miller
mailto:mat...@fedoraproject.org>> wrote:
> On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 06:07:18PM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> I read this:
>> http://www.aychedee.com/2012/03/14/etc_shadow-password-hash-formats/
>>
Hi,
On 02/22/2015 06:43 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 3:39 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote:
On 22.02.2015, Chris Murphy wrote:
Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
And their installers are completely, totally, bullet proof. They don't
ever crash, or ask
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 4:18 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 02/22/2015 03:05 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>>
>> Yes. Matthew already mentioned that. The exception is that the
>> installer insists on root fs being formatted by the installer.
>
>
> I see no problem with that. If I'm doing a clean install, tha
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 5:01 PM, Alex Regan wrote:
> Do you happen to know if there's a pre-built version of John-the-Ripper or
> another password testing program that's available and works with these new
> passwords?
I don't know that this is all that new. It's also self-describing, the
/etc/sha
On Sun, 2015-02-22 at 09:14 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> My consistent experience is that systemd has no clue when
> the network is "up" if by up you mean actually capable of
> talking to other things on the network. Thus all of the
> dependencies it waits on never wait long enough.
There was a thr
I have just upgraded a box from fc20 to fc21 using fedup and tab completion
has gone bezerk.
I have erased the bash-completion package but the weird behaviour continues.
It is even guessing/remembering passwords.
In most cases, hitting tab during command entry does nothing. In others
(randomly
On Feb 22, 2015 1:01 AM, "Jens Neu" wrote:
>
> Dear list,
>
> maybe since 2 weeks (close to upgrade to Twenty_One), my nfs shares are
no longer mounted at boot. Claims that the nfs server is not resolvable,
but it clearly is. Raised the timeo to 200, but no luck. Hints? Bugworthy?
>
> regards Jens
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23:45AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> Curiously, Anaconda calls authconfig to create the key, and the resulting
> shadow entry contains a 16 character salt. Whereas passwd uses an 8
> character salt.
Huh, that is curious. I assume we really want to be using the 16-char
sa
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 10:36 PM, Matthew Miller
wrote:
> On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 11:23:45AM -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
>> Curiously, Anaconda calls authconfig to create the key, and the resulting
>> shadow entry contains a 16 character salt. Whereas passwd uses an 8
>> character salt.
>
> Huh, th
On 02/22/2015 09:01 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
What Anaconda did with new UI is break with that tradition, and
emphasize final results, not the nutty esoteric details of how to get
there. Where it still frustrates is how it doesn't convey this
worldview very well to the user.
Well, I think you hav
On 02/23/2015 12:43 AM, Chris Murphy wrote:
Look at even Android and cyanogen. Look at the reinvention of all OS's
for mobile devices and how much simpler things are when constraining
choices. Chromebooks are in that same category. Simple. Just works.
They picked a layout and stuck with it.
Th
On Sun, 2015-02-22 at 15:01 -0700, Chris Murphy wrote:
> What you're talking about might be in-scope for blivet-gui. It
> definitely sounds out of scope for a GUI OS installer.
>
> Windows, OS X installers have maybe 2-3 total layouts between them.
> And their installers are completely, totally,
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