Re: eth0 again - the end

2014-07-21 Thread poma
On 21.07.2014 07:35, Amadeus W.M. wrote: [systemd-devel] 70-persistent-net.rules http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-April/010343.html README.Fedora-18 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/systemd.git/tree/README.Fedora-18?h=f18#n17 0005-F18-Revert-udev-network-device-renami

new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. Now on: uname -a Linux pauls-server 3.15.6-200.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jul 18 02:36:27 UTC 2014 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 G

Re: eth0 again

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/20/2014 09:39 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: >> > It's doing exactly the opposite of what I want. >> > >> > > Have you tried this? > > http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-rename-ethernet-devices-named-using-udev/ > -- I have the same issue, and I don't have this file they say to modify..

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Digimer
On 21/07/14 06:41 AM, Paul Cartwright wrote: Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. Now on: uname -a Linux pauls-server 3.15.6-200.fc20.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Paul Cartwright writes: is there some command I don't know about that will let you swap to the latest kernel without rebooting??? No. The only way to switch kernels is a reboot. pgpg1Fk0Qs3Zn.pgp Description: PGP signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Timothy Murphy
Digimer wrote: >> is there some command I don't know about that will let you swap to the >> latest kernel without rebooting??? > Fedora is not a server OS. It's a bleeding-edge distro and as such, > changes often. If you want stability, use RHEL/CentOS. Far fewer kernel > updates there. As a mat

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Digimer
On 21/07/14 07:11 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote: Digimer wrote: is there some command I don't know about that will let you swap to the latest kernel without rebooting??? Fedora is not a server OS. It's a bleeding-edge distro and as such, changes often. If you want stability, use RHEL/CentOS. Far

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Alchemist
2014-07-21 13:41 GMT+03:00 Paul Cartwright : > Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new > kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be > rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. Now on: > uname -a > Linux pauls-server 3.15.6-200.fc20.x86_64 #1

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 07:19 AM, Alchemist wrote: > > > You can do fast-reboot by using kexec > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel/kexec > thanks, good info! I don't have a problem with the speed of reboots, I just do init 6 from command line.. It just seems that all I have been doing lately is rebooti

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 07:29 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 07/21/2014 07:19 AM, Alchemist wrote: > > > > > > You can do fast-reboot by using kexec > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Kernel/kexec > > > thanks, good info! I don't have a problem with the speed of reboots, I > just do init 6 from

NFS Performance Woes

2014-07-21 Thread Ian Chapman
Hi, I've been unable to track down an extremely annoying performance issue with NFS. My home server has several exports shared over NFS4. The exports are all secured using Kerberos except one, which can be mounted using the traditional sys security model. The problem is that write performanc

Re: NFS Performance Woes

2014-07-21 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 19:59:40 +0800 Ian Chapman wrote: > Any NFS gurus out there, that can tell me what I'm doing wrong? Not a useful answer, I'm afraid: In my experience, the fundamental problem is caused by using NFS. With all the folks re-writing things that don't need to be replaced, I reall

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 06:41:05 -0400, Paul Cartwright wrote: Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. Now on: We'll you could keep running the older k

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 08:18 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote: >> Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new >> kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be >> rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. Now on: > > We'll you could keep running the older kernel. De

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 07:42 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> thanks, good info! I don't have a problem with the speed of reboots, I >> > just do init 6 from command line.. It just seems that all I have been >> > doing lately is rebooting, and setting up all the windows I keep open.. >> > 3 kernels in 10 d

Re: eth0 again

2014-07-21 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: On 07/20/2014 09:39 PM, Thomas Cameron wrote: It's doing exactly the opposite of what I want. Have you tried this? http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/howto-linux-rename-ethernet-devices-named-using-udev/ -- I have the same issue, and I don't have this

Re: NFS Performance Woes

2014-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/21/14 19:59, Ian Chapman wrote: > Nfsstat, wireshark and the system logs do not show anything which screams > there's a problem. > > The network card in the client machine and the server shows no collisions, > dropped packets, frame overruns etc. > > I've tested with the export that isn't u

NFS with latest kernel refusing mount requests

2014-07-21 Thread Stephen Berg (Contractor)
Just updated this system to kernel-3.15.6-200 and the NFS exported home directory on it all of a sudden can't be mounted from any other system on my network. Rebooted to the previous 3.15.5-200 kernel and it's back to normal. We have some legacy stuff using NIS and automounted directories, mo

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: > Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new > kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be > rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. I've never used any Fedora kernel any longer than for the first install

Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use fping fping -g 169.254.0.0/16 And SHOULD be able to get its address, and then SSH into th

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 10:55 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking > to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets > would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use > fping > > fping -g 169.25

Re: eth0 again - the end

2014-07-21 Thread poma
On 21.07.2014 11:30, poma wrote: On 21.07.2014 07:35, Amadeus W.M. wrote: [systemd-devel] 70-persistent-net.rules http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/systemd-devel/2013-April/010343.html README.Fedora-18 http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/systemd.git/tree/README.Fedora-18?h=f18#n17 0005-F18

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread poma
On 21.07.2014 12:41, Paul Cartwright wrote: ... in less than 10 days.. Such rapid upgrades are actually commendable! :) This is the very reason why people drive Ferrari. poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fe

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread poma
On 21.07.2014 15:35, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: Is it me, or does every other update lately seem to include a new kernel.. I thought linux was meant to stay up & running. I seem to be rebooting weekly now, just for a new kernel. I've never used any Fedora kernel

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/21/2014 11:25 AM, Tim wrote: On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 10:55 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, poma wrote: > Your expertise with kernel would be very welcome for the Fedora kernel also, > when you offer Heinz. ;) Here's what I'm doing (and what I basically have been doing in many years): 1. Download a kernel from kernel.org 2. Extract it into /usr/src 3. Apply some minor p

dnf failed where yum succeeded

2014-07-21 Thread JD
# dnf -y install amd Dependencies resolved. Package Arch Version Repository Size ==

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread poma
On 21.07.2014 18:37, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 21.07.2014, poma wrote: Your expertise with kernel would be very welcome for the Fedora kernel also, when you offer Heinz. ;) Here's what I'm doing (and what I basically have been doing in many years): 1. Download a kernel from kernel.org 2. Extract

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 12:37 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 21.07.2014, poma wrote: > >> Your expertise with kernel would be very welcome for the Fedora kernel also, >> when you offer Heinz. ;) > > Here's what I'm doing (and what I basically have been doing in many years): > > 1. Download a kernel f

Solved - Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Kind of. No zeroconf. For some reason. But at least ipv6 local-scope. Used wireshark to capture dhcp probes to get MAC address. Converted MAC address into IPv6 local scope address. ssh ipv6%interface and I am in! Now to later do this later to the actual box rather than between two noteboo

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Mon, 21 Jul 2014 18:37:58 +0200 Heinz Diehl wrote: > Here's what I'm doing (and what I basically have been doing in many > years): > [snip] > > In short: a simple kernel compile/install. Your kernel will live > peacefully alongside with your distribution kernel(s). What is the purpose of in

color display with man pages

2014-07-21 Thread Amila Perera
Hi all, This is my first mail on fedora mailing list. I can't get the following to display colours with LESS command on my terminal, when viewing man pages. I am using Fedora 20 with KDE. My shell is zsh. --- man() { env LESS_TERMCAP_mb=$'\E[01;31m' \ LESS_TERMCAP_md=$'\E[01;34m' \ LESS_T

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, poma wrote: > Do you have any .config item worth mentioning, something you recommend or > vice versa? Nope. Every config is different, and so is the machine which it will be installed on, and the preferences of the one who uses it. It's a learning experience for anybody who's new

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 02:12 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> > Do you have any .config item worth mentioning, something you recommend or >> > vice versa? > Nope. Every config is different, and so is the machine which it will > be installed on, and the preferences of the one who uses it. It's a > learning experie

Re: dnf failed where yum succeeded

2014-07-21 Thread Jan Zeleny
-- snip -- May I ask why did you send such email instead of filing a bug report? If you read the dnf FAQ, cleaned the cache and everything, you can go right ahead. The dnf developers are very responsive in the bugzilla. Jan -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, Tom H wrote: > You'd be better off replacing the second step 5 by "make rpm-pkg" and > the last step 5 and step 6 by "rpm -i ...". No, I wouldn't. My .config is highly customized, and the way I described just fits my needs perfectly. I'm quite aware of the possibility to build a k

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Fernando Gozalo
Hi, > So given ipv6 local-scope, how do I learn the other system's addr. According to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1162.html ip -6 neigh show Regards, Fernando. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.

Re: NFS Performance Woes

2014-07-21 Thread Peter Skensved
> > > On 07/21/14 19:59, Ian Chapman wrote: > > Nfsstat, wireshark and the system logs do not show anything which screams > > there's a problem. > > > > The network card in the client machine and the server shows no collisions, > > dropped packets, frame overruns etc. > > > > I've tested with t

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > What is the purpose of installing a non-Fedora kernel, in your case? Coming from SLS, slackware and yggdrasil way back in time, it's how it has been for me all the time. I have my configs, scripts and so on. I kept them over time, and they just work :-)

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: > my / file system ran out of space. I had 5.8Gb free before I started this.. Your root partition is way too small for kernel development. [root@kiera src]# du -ch linux-3.15.6-rc1 [] 4.1G total -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 02:47 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: >> my / file system ran out of space. I had 5.8Gb free before I started this.. > Your root partition is way too small for kernel development. that would be something to take into consideration... I thought 5.8Gb of free space is PLENTY.. you say to put it

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 07/21/2014 02:19 PM, Fernando Gozalo wrote: Hi, So given ipv6 local-scope, how do I learn the other system's addr. According to http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Linux+IPv6-HOWTO/x1162.html ip -6 neigh show Oow. that works! Will note that down for next time! thanks -- users mailing list u

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 2:17 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > On 21.07.2014, Tom H wrote: > >> You'd be better off replacing the second step 5 by "make rpm-pkg" and >> the last step 5 and step 6 by "rpm -i ...". > > No, I wouldn't. My .config is highly customized, and the way I > described just fits my ne

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 03:19 PM, Tom H wrote: > You'd still be able to use your config - the first step 5. > > The method that I suggested is right because (and I made a mistake > earlier and shouldn't have suggested that you use rpm) you can install > your kernel with "yum install ..." and remove it with "

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Tom H
On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 3:22 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 07/21/2014 03:19 PM, Tom H wrote: >> >> You'd still be able to use your config - the first step 5. >> >> The method that I suggested is right because (and I made a mistake >> earlier and shouldn't have suggested that you use rpm) you can

running vncserver via systemctl on Fedora 20

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
I have run vncserver for years, naturally as 'service vncserver start'. But now it is all systemd and systemctl. Fine. So I think I have to configure it for my user, as I always use to edit /etc/sysconfig/vncserver with: VNCSERVERS="2:alice 3:bob" So I found I had to: cp /lib/systemd/syst

Re: [F20, KDE] color profile applied 1 s and then disappears

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Murphy
On Jul 17, 2014, at 1:21 PM, Frédéric Bron wrote: > I installed a color profile for my LCD monitor. Where did it come from? Most manufacturer supplied ICC profiles are junk. a.) Frequently aren't made correctly; b.) don't actually describe the display's behavior better than the colord created

Re: dnf failed where yum succeeded

2014-07-21 Thread Chris Murphy
You have 90% of information for a bug report against dnf. However, before actually permitting yum to proceed with the installation, first you should change the dnf command: dnf -y --debugsolver install amd Then tar the resulting debugdata folder in the current directory, and include that as a

Re: running vncserver via systemctl on Fedora 20

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
I am making some headway. My normally weak search foo came up with http://zeusville.wordpress.com/2012/01/27/setting-up-vncserver-on-fedora-16/ Still almost as confusing as I started. Particularly if I want more than one userid to be able to use vncserver. On 07/21/2014 03:33 PM, Robert Mos

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: > you say to put it in /usr/src. Can I put it in a spare partition that > has more space?? does it need to be in /usr/src?? You can most probably have it where you want it to. If something expects it to be in /usr/src, you can create a symlink. -- users ma

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 21.07.2014, Tom H wrote: > The method that I suggested is right There's no "wrong" or "right". It's just one way to do it (not mine). But of course, it can be the way for others. It's perfectly fine to build a kernel by using rpm an manage it using yum, but it's not what I prefer. > because

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 07/21/2014 04:26 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: > You can most probably have it where you want it to. If something > expects it to be in /usr/src, you can create a symlink. what is it I am symlinking?? the actual kernel?? -- Paul Cartwright Registered Linux User #367800 and new counter #561587 -- us

Re: running vncserver via systemctl on Fedora 20

2014-07-21 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 21 Jul 2014 at 15:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 15:33:39 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject:running vncserver via systemctl on Fedora 20 Send reply to: Co

Re: dnf failed where yum succeeded

2014-07-21 Thread JD
Thax Chris. Bug submitted along with debugdata. On Mon, Jul 21, 2014 at 1:54 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: > You have 90% of information for a bug report against dnf. However, before > actually permitting yum to proceed with the installation, first you should > change the dnf command: > > dnf -y --de

Re: running vncserver via systemctl on Fedora 20

2014-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 03:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have run vncserver for years, naturally as 'service vncserver start'. But > now it is all systemd and systemctl. Fine. So I think I have to configure > it for my user, as I always use to edit /etc/sysconfig/vncserver with: > > VNCSERVERS="2:alice

Re: new kernels & rebooting

2014-07-21 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/21/2014 01:26 PM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 21.07.2014, Paul Cartwright wrote: you say to put it in /usr/src. Can I put it in a spare partition that has more space?? does it need to be in /usr/src?? You can most probably have it where you want it to. If something expects it to be in /usr/sr

Re: hbk file

2014-07-21 Thread Robin Laing
On 2014-07-17 16:59, Kostas Sfakiotakis wrote: On 07/18/2014 01:30 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > od is one of those basic Unix/Linux utilities that's always there > but that people using DEs tend to forget about. "man od" for more. Thanks for pointer , i found od I tried "od --string

vncserver not providing gnome desktop

2014-07-21 Thread Robert Moskowitz
Progress made. In the end I had to get IPv4 addressing working, as VNC only understands IPv4. I am connecting over the crossover cable to the headless system via vnc, but the screen just shows the little action box on the upper left and nothing else. I have edited the service file and added

Re: vncserver not providing gnome desktop

2014-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/22/14 11:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Progress made. In the end I had to get IPv4 addressing working, as VNC only > understands IPv4. > > I am connecting over the crossover cable to the headless system via vnc, but > the screen just shows the little action box on the upper left and nothin

Re: vncserver not providing gnome desktop

2014-07-21 Thread Michael D. Setzer II
On 21 Jul 2014 at 23:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: Date sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2014 23:33:43 -0400 From: Robert Moskowitz To: Community support for Fedora users Subject:vncserver not providing gnome desktop Send reply to: Comm

Re: [F20, KDE] color profile applied 1 s and then disappears

2014-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 13:48 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > Most manufacturer supplied ICC profiles are junk. a.) Frequently > aren't made correctly; b.) don't actually describe the display's > behavior better than the colord created on based on EDID primaries, > often worse. Considering that you can

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2014-07-21 at 12:34 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have considerable routing and addressing knowledge. Besides being > one of the authors of rfc 1918, and worked on CIDR, here at IETF I > contribute to ipv6ops and ipv6man. Sorry, didn't mean to impune you, but I don't remember who's

Re: Figuring out a headless server's zeroconf addr

2014-07-21 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/21/14 22:55, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I have a headless system that I cannot connect to. So I was thinking to put > a direct connection to it and my notebook. Both ethernets would use the > zeroconf (169.254.0.0/16) addresses. I could then use fping > > fping -g 169.254.0.0/16 > > And S

Re: color display with man pages

2014-07-21 Thread Jatin K
On Monday 21 July 2014 11:42 PM, Amila Perera wrote: Hi all, This is my first mail on fedora mailing list. I can't get the following to display colours with LESS command on my terminal, when viewing man pages. I am using Fedora 20 with KDE. My shell is zsh. --- man() { env LESS_TERMCA

Re: color display with man pages

2014-07-21 Thread Amila Perera
Thank you Jatin. I knew 'most' would work. It is able to display colours as well. But I am used to 'less' and its key bindings. I am quite puzzled as why the termcap settings for less don't work in Fedora20. Do you have any explanations?? Just a few hours ago I installed CentOS 7 and it worked