Re: F20 kickstart can't select a disk

2014-06-20 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 19 June 2014, CLOSE Dave sent: > Ideas? You should probably start by posting your kickstart file. Someone may spot a problem with it. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.9.10-100.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Jul 14 01:31:27 UTC 2013 x86_64 All mail to my mailbox is auto

The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Cristian Sava
Hi all, For those of you wanting skype.rpm for F20: 1) Install the rpm building environment as shown here: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#SPEC_example # yum install @development-tools # yum install fedora-packager # /usr/sbin/useradd makerpm # usermod -a -G mock makerp

Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
For those who do not wait: https://jitsi.org/ poma -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http://fedoraproject.org/code-of-conduct Guidelines: http://fedo

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:52:39 +0200 poma wrote: > > For those who do not wait: > https://jitsi.org/ > Thanks! So, I have never used jitsi. Can I use it to communicate with these confused souls using skype? Ranjan > > poma > > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists.fedoraproject.org > To

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread jack wallen
On Fri, June 20, 2014 7:58 am, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:52:39 +0200 poma > wrote: > > >> >> For those who do not wait: >> https://jitsi.org/ >> Just tried it. The demo crashed Chrome on my Chromebook immediately. I'll try it on a Ubuntu laptop later. >> > > Thanks! So, I h

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread jarmo
Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:28:13 +0300 Cristian Sava kirjoitti: > Hi all, > > For those of you wanting skype.rpm for F20: > 1) Install the rpm building environment as shown here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#SPEC_example How do you do this without pulseaudio? To me, pul

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 13:58, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:52:39 +0200 poma wrote: For those who do not wait: https://jitsi.org/ Thanks! So, I have never used jitsi. Can I use it to communicate with these confused souls using skype? Ranjan Jitsi certainly supports SIP. ;) poma

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:44:10 +0200 poma wrote: > On 20.06.2014 13:58, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:52:39 +0200 poma > > wrote: > > > >> > >> For those who do not wait: > >> https://jitsi.org/ > >> > > > > Thanks! So, I have never used jitsi. Can I use it to communicate with th

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread jarmo
Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:21:15 +0300 jarmo kirjoitti: > Tried this 4.3 for fedora 15 from skype site, it starts ok, but needs > pulsecrap. Mean fedora 16 naturally... Sorry typo.. Jarmo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Liam Proven
On 20 June 2014 15:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Sorry, poma: I don't know what SIP means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol It's a standard for making phone calls over the Internet, broadly. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.livejournal.com/profile Email: lpro...@

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 14:05, jack wallen wrote: Just tried it. The demo crashed Chrome on my Chromebook immediately. I'll try it on a Ubuntu laptop later. WTF!? :) # yum-config-manager --add-repo https://download.jitsi.org/jitsi/nightly/rpm/jitsi.repo # yum install jitsi poma -- users mailing li

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:57:58 +0200 Liam Proven wrote: > On 20 June 2014 15:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Sorry, poma: I don't know what SIP means. > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol > > It's a standard for making phone calls over the Internet, broadly. So can I use i

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 15:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:44:10 +0200 poma wrote: On 20.06.2014 13:58, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:52:39 +0200 poma wrote: For those who do not wait: https://jitsi.org/ Thanks! So, I have never used jitsi. Can I use it to communica

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Steven Stern
On 06/20/2014 09:34 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:57:58 +0200 Liam Proven > wrote: > >> On 20 June 2014 15:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >>> Sorry, poma: I don't know what SIP means. >> >> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol >> >> It's a standard for making p

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 16:34, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:57:58 +0200 Liam Proven wrote: On 20 June 2014 15:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Sorry, poma: I don't know what SIP means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol It's a standard for making phone calls over the I

BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Timothy Murphy
Many applications give unhelpful error messages, but I've never met any quite as useless as the invariable message from BackupPC: "Unable to read 4 bytes" If only it could sometimes say "Unable to read 3 bytes" or even "Hooray, was able to read 1 byte". What 4 bytes did it want to read, incidental

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 16:48, Steven Stern wrote: On 06/20/2014 09:34 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 15:57:58 +0200 Liam Proven wrote: On 20 June 2014 15:51, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Sorry, poma: I don't know what SIP means. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Session_Initiation_Protocol It's

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> Cryptic is the Zimmermann Real-time Transport Protocol, not me. :) > SIP, as Liam already wrote, is a well known term in the world of VoIP. > I just don't get it that you haven't used it so far. :) Well, I use commandline and no desktop, only a WM. So I guess you could say that I am obsolete.

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> Use those two terms in the search, Ranjan! :) > But the real question is, do you expect that this additional service is free > of charge. No, I don't, but skype is free of charge for PC to PC? Or am I even more obsolete than even I thought I was? Ranjan ___

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Marcus Leech
Is BackupPC packaged for Fedora now?    While this particular error message is, I agree, pretty useless, I'll make a general comment.   Software is, necessarily, notorious for generally only being able to "present the evidence immediately before it".  Most applications, for example,   cannot know

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/20/2014 10:55 AM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Well, I use commandline and no desktop, only a WM. So I guess you could > say that I am obsolete. > > So, I guess that I can't talk to my Skypies:-( > > Ranjan I have Skype 4.2 installed, fedora 20 amd_64, is there a problem?? -- Paul Cartwright Regi

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 16:55, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Cryptic is the Zimmermann Real-time Transport Protocol, not me. :) SIP, as Liam already wrote, is a well known term in the world of VoIP. I just don't get it that you haven't used it so far. :) Well, I use commandline and no desktop, only a WM. So I g

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 09:57:36 -0500 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > Use those two terms in the search, Ranjan! :) > > But the real question is, do you expect that this additional service is > > free of charge. > > No, I don't, but skype is free of charge for PC to PC? Sorry that should have read: "isn

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 17:08, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 09:57:36 -0500 Ranjan Maitra wrote: Use those two terms in the search, Ranjan! :) But the real question is, do you expect that this additional service is free of charge. No, I don't, but skype is free of charge for PC to PC? So

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
> I have Skype 4.2 installed, fedora 20 amd_64, is there a problem?? No. No problem: I just don't like the 3/686 rpms it needs! Besides, this would be the only non-OSS on my system and I would like to avoid that. Ranjan -- Important Notice: This mailbox is ignored: e-mails are set to be delete

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:07:32 +0200 poma wrote: > On 20.06.2014 16:55, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > > >> Cryptic is the Zimmermann Real-time Transport Protocol, not me. :) > >> SIP, as Liam already wrote, is a well known term in the world of VoIP. > >> I just don't get it that you haven't used it so f

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Friday, June 20, 2014 01:28:13 PM Cristian Sava wrote: > Hi all, > > For those of you wanting skype.rpm for F20: > 1) Install the rpm building environment as shown here: > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_an_RPM_package#SPEC_example > > # yum install @development-tools > # yum insta

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 15:50 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Many applications give unhelpful error messages, > but I've never met any quite as useless > as the invariable message from BackupPC: > "Unable to read 4 bytes" > If only it could sometimes say > "Unable to read 3 bytes" > or even "Hooray,

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 17:23, Ranjan Maitra wrote: On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 17:07:32 +0200 poma wrote: On 20.06.2014 16:55, Ranjan Maitra wrote: Cryptic is the Zimmermann Real-time Transport Protocol, not me. :) SIP, as Liam already wrote, is a well known term in the world of VoIP. I just don't get it th

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:48:38 +0100 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > well, which is also rsync-based). Google for more. And apparently, what it actually means is: "Hey! I'm trying to talk to an incompatible version of rsync on the

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:09 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > What is wrong with the official RPM? sudo yum -y install libXv.i686 > libXScrnSaver.i686 qt.i686 qt-x11.i686 pulseaudio-libs.i686 > pulseaudio-libs-glib2.i686 alsa-plugins-pulseaudio.i686 qtwebkit.i686 > sudo yum install skype--fedora.i586

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 9:21 AM, jarmo wrote: > How do you do this without pulseaudio? To me, pulseaudio is crap... > I have two souncards, one for skype and another for listening something > else, is needed.. > ALSA is enough, so how we make skype working without pulsecrap? > You can't. A

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 12:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:48:38 +0100 > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > > well, which is also rsync-based). Google for more. > > And apparently, what it actually means is:

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread George Avrunin
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 19:16:29 +0100, "Patrick O'Callaghan" wrote: > On Fri, 2014-06-20 at 12:13 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote: > > On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:48:38 +0100 > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > AFAIK it's actually an error from rsync (I've seen it in rsnapshot as > > > well, which is also

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/20/2014 01:45 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > You can't. ALSA support has been dropped in the latest Skype > release. PulseAudio is a core requirement now. > > Rahul I just found that out.. Dependencies Resolved

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:31 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > > I just found that out.. > > Dependencies Resolved > > > > Package Arch Version > Repository Size > > ===

Re: BackupPC - a brief rant

2014-06-20 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 20 Jun 2014 14:21:52 -0400 George Avrunin wrote: > It can also occur with BackupPC when keyless ssh isn't set up right > and ssh is giving a prompt (e.g., on the first ssh login to a host). Has > happened to me more than once... Yea, that's the reason you find everywhere when googling, w

Re: F20: Touchpad vertical scroll for Dell Latitude E5430

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 19.06.2014 22:51, Marco Guazzone wrote: Hello, I've installed F20 x86_64 on my Dell Latitude E5430. Unfortunately, it seems that the vertical scroll with the touchpad (i.e., when you vertically scroll the page by moving up & down your finger) doesn't work. This includes both the single-finge

Re: F20 kickstart can't select a disk

2014-06-20 Thread CLOSE Dave
Tim wrote: > You should probably start by posting your kickstart file. Someone may > spot a problem with it. Well, I did say that the same identical kickstart file worked properly on several other identical servers. And I truly mean "identical". However, all the details are now in

apcupsd.conf: Which cable type for remote UPS on network?

2014-06-20 Thread lee
Hi, what type of cable am I supposed to put into apcupsd.conf for an UPS which is connected to a remote computer and monitored over the network? -- Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fed

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread lee
poma writes: > On 20.06.2014 14:05, jack wallen wrote: > >> Just tried it. The demo crashed Chrome on my Chromebook immediately. I'll >> try it on a Ubuntu laptop later. > > WTF!? :) > > # yum-config-manager --add-repo > https://download.jitsi.org/jitsi/nightly/rpm/jitsi.repo > # yum install jit

Re: Jitsi - Open Source Video Calls and Chat, Web Conferences, Desktop Sharing, Secure communications, Multi Platform, 32 & 64 bit version

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 21:09, lee wrote: poma writes: On 20.06.2014 14:05, jack wallen wrote: Just tried it. The demo crashed Chrome on my Chromebook immediately. I'll try it on a Ubuntu laptop later. WTF!? :) # yum-config-manager --add-repo https://download.jitsi.org/jitsi/nightly/rpm/jitsi.repo

how to keep firmware loaded

2014-06-20 Thread lee
Hi, how do I make it so that the firmware for a particular device doesn't get unloaded when the device is no longer in use? Apparently the firmware is unloaded when the device becomes unused. At least it is loaded again when the device is used again; messages in dmesg show that the firmware is l

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 2:47 PM, Paul Cartwright wrote: > On 06/20/2014 02:44 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > > Well, the older versions will stop working at some point and you won't > > get any support for it. So unless you want to stop using Skype > > completely, you don't really have a choic

Re: how to keep firmware loaded

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 21:25, lee wrote: Hi, how do I make it so that the firmware for a particular device doesn't get unloaded when the device is no longer in use? Apparently the firmware is unloaded when the device becomes unused. At least it is loaded again when the device is used again; messages in

Re: apcupsd.conf: Which cable type for remote UPS on network?

2014-06-20 Thread Paul Cartwright
On 06/20/2014 02:58 PM, lee wrote: > Hi, > > what type of cable am I supposed to put into apcupsd.conf for an UPS > which is connected to a remote computer and monitored over the network? > from /etc/apcupsd/apcupsd.conf: I would choose ether and upstype net hostname:port # UPSCABLE # Defines

Re: Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card for Dell Inspiron 1545: How to Drive It!

2014-06-20 Thread max
On 6/18/14, 11:13 AM, Temlakos wrote: Everyone: I have a three-year-old Dell Inspiron 1545. It came with the Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card. The current output of lspci -k |grep -iA5 wire gives "Dell Wireless 1397 WLAN Mini-Card" as a subsystem. The relevant kernel module is "ssb." Cur

Re: apcupsd.conf: Which cable type for remote UPS on network?

2014-06-20 Thread Anthony Messina
On Friday, June 20, 2014 08:58:02 PM lee wrote: > what type of cable am I supposed to put into apcupsd.conf for an UPS > which is connected to a remote computer and monitored over the network? I'm using "UPSCABLE ether" -- Anthony - http://messinet.com - http://messinet.com/~amessina/gallery 8F8

Re: F20: Touchpad vertical scroll for Dell Latitude E5430

2014-06-20 Thread Marco Guazzone
On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:58 PM, poma wrote: > On 19.06.2014 22:51, Marco Guazzone wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> I've installed F20 x86_64 on my Dell Latitude E5430. >> >> Unfortunately, it seems that the vertical scroll with the touchpad >> (i.e., when you vertically scroll the page by moving up & do

Re: F20: Touchpad vertical scroll for Dell Latitude E5430

2014-06-20 Thread poma
On 20.06.2014 22:59, Marco Guazzone wrote: On Fri, Jun 20, 2014 at 8:58 PM, poma wrote: On 19.06.2014 22:51, Marco Guazzone wrote: Hello, I've installed F20 x86_64 on my Dell Latitude E5430. Unfortunately, it seems that the vertical scroll with the touchpad (i.e., when you vertically scroll

Re: F20: Touchpad vertical scroll for Dell Latitude E5430

2014-06-20 Thread Joe Zeff
On 06/20/2014 02:16 PM, poma wrote: Isn't Xfce cool! :) Mickey Mouse I think so. I'm in the process of setting up a flash drive with a full F20 system (not a live image, because I want the full drive properly available) with ClamAV so that a friend can scan/clean Windows boxen properly, and

Re: Problem installing google-earth-stable.

2014-06-20 Thread Mickey
On 06/19/2014 03:01 PM, Erik P. Olsen wrote: On 19/06/14 18:45, Fred Smith wrote: On Thu, Jun 19, 2014 at 05:25:52PM +0200, Erik P. Olsen wrote: Have downloaded google-earth-stable and got the following installing the package: Installing: google-earth-stable x86_64 7.1.2

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread jarmo
Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:45:32 -0400 Rahul Sundaram kirjoitti: > You can't. ALSA support has been dropped in the latest Skype release. > PulseAudio is a core requirement now. > > Rahul So, two CRAP hooks together, windows and Pulse, yaks! -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsu

Re: F20 kickstart can't select a disk

2014-06-20 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 20 June 2014, CLOSE Dave sent: > I did say that the same identical kickstart file worked properly > on several other identical servers. And I truly mean "identical". That still doesn't equate to being error free... If you've got one failure out of several identical machin

Re: The new skype-4.3.0.37 is out. Build your own rpm for Fedora 20

2014-06-20 Thread Sudhir Khanger
On Jun 21, 2014 8:37 AM, "jarmo" wrote: > > Fri, 20 Jun 2014 13:45:32 -0400 > Rahul Sundaram kirjoitti: > > > You can't. ALSA support has been dropped in the latest Skype release. > > PulseAudio is a core requirement now. > > > > Rahul > > So, two CRAP hooks together, windows and Pulse, yaks! I