Re: fedup failure [SOLVED]

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 23 March 2014 23:13, Greg Woods wrote: > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 17:19 +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > > Downloading failed: GPG key retrieval failed: [Errno 14] > > curl#37 - > > "Couldn't open > > file /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-x86_64" > > > > > Have a l

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 22 March 2014 04:40, CS_DBA wrote: > > On 03/21/2014 05:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> On 03/22/14 07:39, CS_DBA wrote: >> >>> On 03/21/2014 05:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> On 03/22/14 06:07, CS_DBA wrote: > I can plug a hard wire into my laptop and boot up, it comes up > conn

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

2014-03-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 23 March 2014 23:08, lee wrote: > Ian Malone writes: > >> There is no-one on the planet who thinks emacs is minimalistic > > I`m not so sure about that. There are even ppl who have never heard > about emacs, and if they`d see it, they might very well think it is. > "Eight Megs and Constantly

Re: postgresql 8.4 on fedora 19

2014-03-24 Thread James Hogarth
On 24 March 2014 01:35, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 11:39 +, hicham wrote: > > Hello Every one > > > > I'm need to test an database application which runs with postgresql 8.4 > > is there a way to install it on fedora 19 ? > > > > or should i downgrade ? : ( > > > > tha

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 23 March 2014 23:37, Bill Oliver wrote: > > Earlier this month, I posted that Firefox would not start for me. Ed > Greshko kindly showed my his output when he started Firefox from the > command line. I noticed a bunch of Gnome stuff and assumed that there was > some sort of dependency I was

Re: Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 23 March 2014 21:39, lee wrote: > Arthur Dent writes: > > > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 16:20 +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: > >> On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: > >> [snip] > >> > Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread, but does > >> > anyone know how to auto-mount an exte

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

2014-03-24 Thread EGO.II-1
On 03/23/2014 07:12 PM, lee wrote: Joe Zeff writes: On 03/23/2014 12:34 PM, lee wrote: I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be s

Re: Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 24 March 2014 10:49, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 23 March 2014 21:39, lee wrote: > >> Arthur Dent writes: >> >> > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 16:20 +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: >> >> On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: >> >> [snip] >> >> > Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread,

Re: fedup failure [SOLVED]

2014-03-24 Thread John Pilkington
On 24/03/14 07:20, Ahmad Samir wrote: The other link I posted[1] is about the gpgkey entry in fedora .repo files in /etc/yum.repos.d/*.repo; IIUC at some point it was changed to be: gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-$releasever-$basearch note the $releasever bit there; the erro

Re: fedup failure [SOLVED]

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 24 March 2014 11:13, John Pilkington wrote: > On 24/03/14 07:20, Ahmad Samir wrote: > > >> The other link I posted[1] is about the gpgkey entry in fedora .repo >> files in /etc/yum.repos.d/*.repo; IIUC at some point it was changed to be: >> gpgkey=file:///etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-$re

Re: Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 24 March 2014 11:01, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 24 March 2014 10:49, Ahmad Samir wrote: > >> On 23 March 2014 21:39, lee wrote: >> >>> Arthur Dent writes: >>> >>> > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 16:20 +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: >>> >> On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: >>> >> [snip] >>> >> > So

Re: Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

2014-03-24 Thread lee
Ahmad Samir writes: > Thanks - I tried the nofail option. This is the line I have now: > UUID=BCD0A565D0A5269C /mnt/Backup ntfs-3g nofail,auto,noatime,rw, 0 0 > [...] One of the arguments is missing and thus considered as invalid? Yo

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

2014-03-24 Thread lee
Ian Malone writes: > On 23 March 2014 23:08, lee wrote: >> Ian Malone writes: >> >>> There is no-one on the planet who thinks emacs is minimalistic >> >> I`m not so sure about that. There are even ppl who have never heard >> about emacs, and if they`d see it, they might very well think it is.

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

2014-03-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 07:53 +, Ian Malone wrote: > "Eight Megs and Constantly Swapping" Escape Meta Alt Control Shift Remember when 8MB was big? Those were the days. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedora

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

2014-03-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 March 2014 10:09, lee wrote: > Ian Malone writes: > >> On 23 March 2014 23:08, lee wrote: >>> Ian Malone writes: >>> There is no-one on the planet who thinks emacs is minimalistic >>> >>> I`m not so sure about that. There are even ppl who have never heard >>> about emacs, and if the

Re: need root permission to poweroff

2014-03-24 Thread Ahmad Samir
On 16 March 2014 12:46, Peter Lesterhuis wrote: > Hi, > Since a couple of days I need root permission to poweroff. > It seems that there is a second user logged into the machine. > > $ who > peter:0 2014-03-10 19:04 (:0) > peterpts/02014-03-16 11:36 (:0) > > $ users > pe

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:56:13PM +0100, lee wrote: > > There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its > own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t > have. I'm sorry but the installer denying /usr on its own partition on F17 is the right thing

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

2014-03-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 08:34:55PM +0100, lee wrote: > I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the > makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under > its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be something > for Fedora.next to addre

Re: Apache confuses me

2014-03-24 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 24 March 2014, Roger sent: > Fedora 19 and centos 6.5 > > I set up Centos 6.5 to teach myself about setting up a server in my > spare time. > In both I have /var/www/html both have index.html test files which > work as expected. > > I set up folders /var/www/test_folde

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

2014-03-24 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 23 March 2014, lee sent: > I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the > makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under > its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be > something for Fedora.next to address. >

Re: poweroff command reboots?

2014-03-24 Thread Aero Maxx
On 23/03/2014 23:48, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2014 04:43 PM, Aero Maxx wrote: I don't have a mouse or keyboard on the machine itself, and also i'm not booting into runlevel 3 so there is no gui, just a console screen. I presume you mean that you're not booting into runlevel 5, because what yo

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

2014-03-24 Thread poma
On 24.03.2014 08:52, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 22 March 2014 04:40, CS_DBA wrote: > >> >> On 03/21/2014 05:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> >>> On 03/22/14 07:39, CS_DBA wrote: >>> On 03/21/2014 05:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 03/22/14 06:07, CS_DBA wrote: > >> I can plug a hard w

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread lee
Suvayu Ali writes: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:56:13PM +0100, lee wrote: >> >> There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its >> own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t >> have. > > I'm sorry but the installer denying /usr on its own partit

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

2014-03-24 Thread lee
Matthew Miller writes: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 08:34:55PM +0100, lee wrote: >> I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the >> makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under >> its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be someth

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 23, 2014, at 4:18 PM, lee wrote: > "Powell, Michael" writes: > >>> Then they need to turn around at once! Leaving users in the dark about >>> what`s going on makes things more difficult for them. Taking away choices >>> limits the use of the software to the point where it eventually b

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee wrote: > /usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would > not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is needed in /bin and > /sbin but to use symlinks instead. I think that's a very 1980s, or early-1990s, way of looking at it. Since the nor

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 23 March 2014 21:56, lee wrote: > There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its > own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t > have. As I have commented elsewhere, I think this is a 1980s style of thinking. Things have changed. Move on. Sorr

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 01:33, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 18:24 +, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: >> > Make sure you file a bugzilla. >> >> How/why? It's not a bug. > > If it doesn't work as it's supposed to, it's a bug. An intentional design

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, lee wrote: Bill Oliver writes: On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, lee wrote: [snip] If she had known that she didn`t need to throw in this or that, wouldn`t that be easier for everyone? Not necessarily. Sometimes neither that absent-minded aunt nor the avaricious nephew know wha

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 23 March 2014 20:19, Chris Murphy wrote: > On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > >> On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Make sure you file a bugzilla. >> >> How/why? It's not a bug. > > How do you know? You haven't filed a bug report, you haven't presented any > logs t

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/24/2014 03:12 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is needed in /bin and /sbin but to use symlinks instead. I think that's a very 1980s, or early-19

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Matthew Miller
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 02:47:18PM +, Liam Proven wrote: > I have to say that you are one of the most hostile, confrontational I said this before and I'll say it again if I have to (but I hope I don't). Please, everyone, check out the Code of Conduct. It's linked in the footer of every post, b

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 15:02, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/24/2014 03:12 PM, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee wrote: >>> >>> /usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would >>> not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is needed in /bin and >>> /sbin but

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 15:08, Matthew Miller wrote: > On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 02:47:18PM +, Liam Proven wrote: >> I have to say that you are one of the most hostile, confrontational > > I said this before and I'll say it again if I have to (but I hope I don't). > Please, everyone, check out the Code

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 23, 2014, at 3:56 PM, lee wrote: > > There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its > own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t > have. Old news. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove#I_have_.2Fusr_as_a_separate_partition._W

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:27 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:56:13PM +0100, lee wrote: >> >> There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its >> own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t >> have. > > I'm sorry but the installer

fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Dustin Kempter
im running fedora 20 and i have a different color scheme im having issues with one text. I use email online and when i compose a new email is when i have issues. the txt color is a faintly light grey over white. do any of you know which spesific color i would change in the options to change this t

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Tethys
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 2:12 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > Since the normal way to boot a PC now is a complete functioning OS on > a single removable-media volume - be that an optical disk or USB flash > media Uhhh... wow. That's quite some selection bias you have going on there. For the record, I'm

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:45 AM, lee wrote: > Suvayu Ali writes: > >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:56:13PM +0100, lee wrote: >>> >>> There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its >>> own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t >>> have. >> >> I'm

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/24/2014 07:12 AM, Liam Proven wrote: Since the normal way to boot a PC now is a complete functioning OS on a single removable-media volume - be that an optical disk or USB flash media Where did you ever get that idea? Very very few users make a habit of booting from a LiveCD or USB, whi

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 15:32, Tethys wrote: >> Since the normal way to boot a PC now is a complete functioning OS on >> a single removable-media volume - be that an optical disk or USB flash >> media > > Uhhh... wow. That's quite some selection bias you have going on there. > For the record, I'm not awa

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/24/2014 04:28 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mar 23, 2014, at 3:56 PM, lee wrote: There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its own partition until the F17 installer refused that, which it shouldn`t have. Old news. https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/UsrMove#

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:36 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 24 March 2014 01:33, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 18:24 +, Liam Proven wrote: >>> On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: Make sure you file a bugzilla. >>> >>> How/why? It's not a bug. >> >> If it doesn't

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Kevin Martin
On 03/24/2014 10:38 AM, Chris Murphy wrote: > > On Mar 24, 2014, at 6:45 AM, lee wrote: > >> Suvayu Ali writes: >> >>> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 10:56:13PM +0100, lee wrote: There`s nothing weird or exotic about it. I`ve always had /usr on its own partition until the F17 installer

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/24/2014 08:30 AM, Dustin Kempter wrote: im running fedora 20 and i have a different color scheme im having issues with one text. I use email online and when i compose a new email is when i have issues. the txt color is a faintly light grey over white. do any of you know which spesific colo

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Mark Haney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/24/14 11:55, Joe Zeff wrote: > > You also seem to have trouble with your Shift Keys. *applause* Absolute Genius. - -- Mark Haney Network/Systems Administrator Practichem W: (919) 714-8428 Fedora release 20 (Heisenbug) 3.13.6-200.fc20.x86_6

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Liam Proven
On 24 March 2014 15:51, Chris Murphy wrote: > > Right, so in your view ten years of install failures to baremetal is an > intentional feature? And again with the challenging and hostility. I have not tried every single release; I tend to do distro roundups maybe every 3-5 years. The particular

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

2014-03-24 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/24/2014 09:22 AM, lee wrote: > Matthew Miller writes: > >> On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 08:34:55PM +0100, lee wrote: >>> I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest >>> of the makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/24/2014 04:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 March 2014 15:02, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/24/2014 03:12 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 March 2014 12:45, lee wrote: /usr belongs on it`s own partition. And last time I looked, it would not be compliant with the FHS not to have what is nee

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Michael Cronenworth
Chris Murphy wrote: Nowadays you may have SSDs which supposedly last longer when not written >much to but mostly read from, so you might put the partitions that can >be read-only on the SSDs and use magnetic disks for things like /var, >/tmp, /home and swap. It's in the realm of 20+GB written pe

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 March 2014 08:14, Ahmad Samir wrote: > On 23 March 2014 23:37, Bill Oliver wrote: >> >> >> Firefox will only allow one invocation of itself on my machine. >> Sometimes, if I invoke the program by clicking an icon, it will come up with >> an error message that says you can only have one cop

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 8:47 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 23 March 2014 20:19, Chris Murphy wrote: >> On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Liam Proven wrote: >> >>> On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: Make sure you file a bugzilla. >>> >>> How/why? It's not a bug. >> >> How do you know? You

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Ian Malone
On 24 March 2014 16:11, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/24/2014 04:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote: >> >> On 24 March 2014 15:02, Ralf Corsepius wrote: >>> >>> Wrong. Most servers typically are headless, and if they have a graphic >>> card-build-in, it's usually inaccessible or unused. >> >> >> I am actu

Re: Can't install ƒ20

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 5, 2014, at 8:58 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > > /dev/sda5 / 16GB <- this is where I want to put Fedora; it used to be > elementary's / Is this a plain partition, or is it an LVM physical volume? > I managed to get the Fedora installer to format sda5 but then, having > 16GB of / + 150GB of

RE: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

2014-03-24 Thread Powell, Michael
> It doesn`t give you choices. It leaves you in the dark about that it is > somehow > possible to use an non-gui installer and to do a minimal install. It leaves > you > in the dark about what exactly happens when you do the partitioning and > with trying to figure out how get the partitioning

Re: linux-lvm question

2014-03-24 Thread Shane Johnson
The only option I know of is to vgremove {vg} --removemissing and sometimes you may even have to use a -f to force it. But be aware, this will destroy any LVs you have on that PV. I have had one person recommend to me trying dd_rescue or the like on the failed drive to a new drive to see if you c

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 9:57 AM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 24 March 2014 15:51, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >> Right, so in your view ten years of install failures to baremetal is an >> intentional feature? > > And again with the challenging and hostility. No, it's just a question. I'm trying to cut t

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > Chris Murphy wrote: >>> Nowadays you may have SSDs which supposedly last longer when not written >>> >much to but mostly read from, so you might put the partitions that can >>> >be read-only on the SSDs and use magnetic disks for things

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:27:14 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: > Yeah I agree there's too much nervousness about SSD wear issues. And, of course, hard disks just never fail in comparison, right? :-). -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Rick Stevens
On 03/24/2014 10:38 AM, Tom Horsley issued this missive: On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:27:14 -0600 Chris Murphy wrote: Yeah I agree there's too much nervousness about SSD wear issues. And, of course, hard disks just never fail in comparison, right? :-). It's not so much an issue that hard disks do

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2014-03-24 at 14:36 +, Liam Proven wrote: > On 24 March 2014 01:33, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 18:24 +, Liam Proven wrote: > >> On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: > >> > Make sure you file a bugzilla. > >> > >> How/why? It's not a bug. > > > > If i

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:27:14 -0600 > Chris Murphy wrote: > > Yeah I agree there's too much nervousness about SSD wear issues. > > And, of course, hard disks just never fail in comparison, right? :-). Of course they do. The difference is that traditional har

Re: Review of best photo managers?

2014-03-24 Thread Frédéric Bron
> I'd like to do some basic photo management on my fedora20 box. gwenview is really good, does everything you wrote I think + knows how to manage colors with icc profiles. Frédéric -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fe

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:30:23 -0700 Rick Stevens wrote: > It's not so much an issue that hard disks don't fail, but they usually > start giving some indication they're having issues Not any disk I ever had fail. All of 'em worked perfectly right up to the instant where they wouldn't boot one day.

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/24/14 22:16, Ian Malone wrote: <<>> Or use about:addons to disable all plugins+extensions and see if the problem goes away (Firefox staying resident and preventing-relaunch if not killed so far as I can make out from this thread). If that does stop it happening then re-enable them one-by-

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/24/14 21:56, Mark Haney wrote: On 03/24/14 11:55, Joe Zeff wrote: You also seem to have trouble with your Shift Keys. *applause* Absolute Genius. absolutely deplorable dégradation. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g . -- users mailing list u

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Mark Haney
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 03/24/14 15:51, g wrote: > > > On 03/24/14 21:56, Mark Haney wrote: >> On 03/24/14 11:55, Joe Zeff wrote: >>> >>> You also seem to have trouble with your Shift Keys. >> >> *applause* >> >> Absolute Genius. > > absolutely deplorable dégradati

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Peter Arremann
On Mar 24, 2014 2:58 PM, "Mark Haney" wrote: > > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > > > On 03/24/14 15:51, g wrote: > > > > > > On 03/24/14 21:56, Mark Haney wrote: > >> On 03/24/14 11:55, Joe Zeff wrote: > >>> > >>> You also seem to have trouble with your Shift Keys. > >> > >> *a

Re: raid, trim, SSDs, was:Fedora Present and Future

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 12:36 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Tom Horsley said: >> On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:27:14 -0600 >> Chris Murphy wrote: >>> Yeah I agree there's too much nervousness about SSD wear issues. >> >> And, of course, hard disks just never fail in comparison, right? :-). >

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Chris Murphy
On Mar 24, 2014, at 1:04 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:30:23 -0700 > Rick Stevens wrote: > >> It's not so much an issue that hard disks don't fail, but they usually >> start giving some indication they're having issues > > Not any disk I ever had fail. All of 'em worked perfe

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/25/14 02:07, Peter Arremann wrote: <<>> I think we need more info on which desktop environment and which browser is being used... thank you. i hit before i added intended; "your insinuendos do little to help op." -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/24/14 21:30, Dustin Kempter wrote: im running fedora 20 and i have a different color scheme im having issues with one text. I use email online and when i compose a new email is when i have issues. the txt color is a faintly light grey over white. do any of you know which spesific color i

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-24 Thread Bill Oliver
On Tue, 25 Mar 2014, g wrote: which leads to a question, did this problem start after an upgrade, update or addition of an add-on? ria, such factors could also lead to solution. hth. my apologies. much luck in finding solution. It happened after doing one of those "you have 1 billion up

This may be off topic -- is it possible to have a different *primary* "hostname" for each ip on a machine?

2014-03-24 Thread Bill Oliver
This may not be a "fedora" problem, so if you know where I should ask this, please let me know. This is a mail problem, but I suspect that the "real" problem is named or something else. I don't know. OK, here goes. I have a personal machine that has 5 static ip addresses. Here's my hosts

Re: postgresql 8.4 on fedora 19

2014-03-24 Thread CS_DBA
On 03/23/2014 07:35 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 11:39 +, hicham wrote: Hello Every one I'm need to test an database application which runs with postgresql 8.4 is there a way to install it on fedora 19 ? or should i downgrade ? : ( thanks Since it's for testing,

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: > "your insinuendos do little to help op." Is that a portmanteau of innuendo and insinuation? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users

Re: This may be off topic -- is it possible to have a different *primary* "hostname" for each ip on a machine?

2014-03-24 Thread Ed Greshko
On 03/25/14 06:07, Bill Oliver wrote: > > This may not be a "fedora" problem, so if you know where I should ask this, > please let me know. This is a mail problem, but I suspect that the "real" > problem is named or something else. I don't know. > > OK, here goes. I have a personal machine tha

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: "your insinuendos do little to help op." Is that a portmanteau of innuendo and insinuation? lol. maybe - yes - definitely -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. tc.hago. g

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/25/14 03:45, Bill Oliver wrote: <<>> It happened after doing one of those "you have 1 billion upgrades waiting, continue?" things that I get every now and then. I'll > admit I tend to just hit "yes" rather than carefully look at all > zillion of the files that is in yum updates. And,

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread Rolf Turner
On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote: On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: "your insinuendos do little to help op." Is that a portmanteau of innuendo and insinuation? lol. maybe - yes - definitely Did you guys know that "innuendo" is Itali

Re: fedora colors

2014-03-24 Thread g
On 03/25/14 09:43, Rolf Turner wrote: On 25/03/14 13:33, g wrote: On 03/25/14 06:02, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Tue, 2014-03-25 at 02:24 +0600, g wrote: "your insinuendos do little to help op." Is that a portmanteau of innuendo and insinuation? lol. maybe - yes - definitely Di

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

2014-03-24 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 03/24/2014 05:24 PM, Ian Malone wrote: On 24 March 2014 16:11, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/24/2014 04:15 PM, Liam Proven wrote: On 24 March 2014 15:02, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Wrong. Most servers typically are headless, and if they have a graphic card-build-in, it's usually inaccessibl