Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Powell, Michael sent: >> The system name or hostname is important to networking; so, I can >> see why it's under networking, but I believe your frustration is more >> related to the lack of guidance and quality than anything else. Tim: > Well, actually, for a lot of people, the system name is simp

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:29:02 + Timothy Murphy wrote: > Ed Greshko wrote: > > > Does anybody nowadays actually burn CDs or DVDs? > > > Yes. The BIOS on many of the machines I encounter don't support > > booting from USB. > > How old are they? > I have 2013 manufactured boards, I don'

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 03/23/2014 08:56 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:29:02 + Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Does anybody nowadays actually burn CDs or DVDs? Yes, because unlike USB-sticks, I am archiving them and resort to using them as "ready-to-use/off-the-bookshelf" media, e

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

Timothy Murphy: >> Does anybody nowadays actually burn CDs or DVDs? Ed Greshko: > Yes. The BIOS on many of the machines I encounter don't support > booting from USB. Or the BIOS is none-too-great at booting from USB. Just recently I had to boot from USB to install onto a laptop with no opti

postgresql 8.4 on fedora 19

Hello Every one I'm need to test an database application which runs with postgresql 8.4 is there a way to install it on fedora 19 ? or should i downgrade ? : ( thanks -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.o

Re: Text selection and mouse button sensitivity

Just a follow up on this. Last month it seemed to have fixed itself, but last week it started to occur again. This time I replaced the old trackball with another one, and that appears to have corrected the problem. So it does appear that it was the mouse itself. As a test, I'm going to bring the mo

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On 21 March 2014 15:19, lee wrote: > Matthew Miller writes: > >> I was at a large cloud conference a while ago, and almost nobody was >> using Fedora, and so I asked people why they chose the distribution >> they are building their stuff on, and why they didn’t choose >> Fedora. Almost universal

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

Tim wrote: > Just recently I had to boot from USB to install onto a laptop with no > optical drive. I found four different methods of putting a Linux > installer onto a USB. ... > All of which was more hassle than burning a disc, and was actually > slower than burning a disc for one of the metho

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 22 March 2014 16:40, Liam Proven wrote: > On 22 March 2014 03:54, Chris Murphy wrote: > >> Are you asserting that people who bitch and whine about the installer are >> entitled to a monopoly on mocking hectoring tone; and unhelpful, annoying, >> unproductive engagement? > > I don't think any

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Timothy Murphy wrote: Tim wrote: [snip] But all this is pure speculation. One of the weaknesses of Fedora, in my view, is the apparent lack of interest in what users actually want or need. [snip] I don't think it's a total lack of interest. I think that it's an issue o

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 03/23/14 20:15, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Incidentally, Ed and others have said that there are many machines > which will not boot from USB. > But surely there are many more that have no CD/DVD drive? > And the proportion of these is surely increasing? I have no idea about actual numbers and unle

Booting into emergency mode - Help!

Hello all, For reasons I won't bore you with I am stuck on F17 for the moment (At Easter I have some time off and intend to upgrade then). I had left the kernel on 3.8.13-100FC17 which worked just fine, but had to install some packages this weekend and allowed the kernel to update too. Now when I

fedup failure

I am trying to upgrade my Sony Vaio laptop from F19 to F20, using "fedup --network 20". I get an error in the GPG key verification: warning: /var/tmp/system-upgrade/updates/packages/NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-32.git20131003.fc20.x86_64.rpm: Header V3 RSA/SHA256 Signature, key ID 246110c1: NOKEY Dow

Re: Booting into emergency mode - Help!

That's very odd. Maybe the grub2.cfg file had something that got commented out? On 3/23/14, Arthur Dent wrote: > Hello all, > > For reasons I won't bore you with I am stuck on F17 for the moment (At > Easter I have some time off and intend to upgrade then). > > I had left the kernel on 3.8.13-100

Re: Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 09:27 -0500, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: > That's very odd. Maybe the grub2.cfg file had something that got commented > out? OK - thanks. My bad. Your reply got me to thinking instead of panicking. I realised that I had an entry in /etc/fstab for an external hard drive which is n

Re: fedup failure

On 23 March 2014 22:24, Greg Woods wrote: > I am trying to upgrade my Sony Vaio laptop from F19 to F20, using "fedup > --network 20". I get an error in the GPG key verification: > > warning: > /var/tmp/system-upgrade/updates/packages/NetworkManager-0.9.9.0-32.git20131003.fc20.x86_64.rpm: > Header

Re: Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: [snip] Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread, but does anyone know how to auto-mount an external HD ONLY if it's present? Have a look at the 'nofail' option (see man fstab). Or add the 'noauto' option to the fstab entry for that HD and

Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 16:20 +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: > On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: > [snip] > > Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread, but does > > anyone know how to auto-mount an external HD ONLY if it's present? > > Have a look at the 'nofail' option (see man

Re: USB vs DVD, was: Fedora Present and Future

On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > On 03/23/2014 08:56 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:29:02 + >> Timothy Murphy wrote: >> >>> Ed Greshko wrote: >>> Does anybody nowadays actually burn CDs or DVDs? > > Yes, because unlike USB-sticks, I am archivin

Re: Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

On 03/23/2014 11:20 AM, Patrick Laimbock wrote: > On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: > [snip] >> Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread, but does >> anyone know how to auto-mount an external HD ONLY if it's present? > > Have a look at the 'nofail' option (see man fstab). Or ad

Re: Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

On 23 March 2014 17:34, Arthur Dent wrote: > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 16:20 +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: > > On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: > > [snip] > > > Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread, but does > > > anyone know how to auto-mount an external HD ONLY if it's pr

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Mar 23, 2014, at 6:27 AM, Ian Malone wrote: > On 22 March 2014 16:40, Liam Proven wrote: >> On 22 March 2014 03:54, Chris Murphy wrote: >> >>> Are you asserting that people who bitch and whine about the installer are >>> entitled to a monopoly on mocking hectoring tone; and unhelpful, ann

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

Timothy Murphy writes: > One of the weaknesses of Fedora, in my view, > is the apparent lack of interest in what users actually want or need. +1 > For example, what proportion of users choose KDE or Gnome, > or some other Desktop Environment? > Does anybody know? > Suppose it turned out that fa

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

Bill Oliver writes: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Timothy Murphy wrote: > >> Tim wrote: >> >>[snip] >> But all this is pure speculation. >> One of the weaknesses of Fedora, in my view, >> is the apparent lack of interest in what users actually want or need. >> >>[snip] > > > I don't think it's a total l

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Ian Malone writes: > On 21 March 2014 15:19, lee wrote: >> One thing Fedora shines with (so far) is reliability, and reliability is >> one of the requirements I have. I have been using Debian for almost >> twenty years until they messed up badly with their brokenarch. Doing >> that put Debian

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:35:20 +0100 lee wrote: > > One of the weaknesses of Fedora, in my view, > > is the apparent lack of interest in what users actually want or need. > > +1 The distro that actually seems to care (at the moment) about users is Linux Mint (though I have no doubt that, like al

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:15:03 +0100 lee wrote: > Think of fvwm: You may think it`s a "minimalistic" window manager. It > is not, it`s actually the most powerful and most versatile WM I have > ever seen, and it`s easy to configure to do exactly what you want. No only that, but it works the same wa

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 22 March 2014 16:55, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 16:40:36 + > Liam Proven wrote: > >> Meantime, for further Fedora eval, it's going in a VirtualBox. Sad, >> but that's all it seems able to handle. > > Actually, that's the key to installing on disk in a sensibly > created partit

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 22 March 2014 17:06, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 16:40 +, Liam Proven wrote: >> As I have said previously, I have /never/ successfully installed >> Fedora on actual hardware since v1.0 shipped in, what was it, 2003? I >> have installed Haiku, Aros, FreeBSD, PC BSD, do

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 22 March 2014 17:23, lee wrote: > Let`s say you install to a software RAID-1 --- which is minimum > requirement for anything to put data on --- made from two disks, with > encrypted partitions (as usual /, /usr, /home, /tmp, /var, /usr/local, > and a swap partition). You want to have these par

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 03/23/2014 04:12 AM, Tim wrote: Just recently I had to boot from USB to install onto a laptop with no optical drive. I found four different methods of putting a Linux installer onto a USB. One of them involved Windows, so that was out. Two of them were Linux programs for writing installers t

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: > Make sure you file a bugzilla. How/why? It's not a bug. > Talking about it on this list will not result in any action. Won't it? Why not? Are there multiple non-overlapping user communities for Fedora, then? A problem is a problem; where it is reporte

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 22 March 2014 18:29, Timothy Murphy wrote: > How old are they? May I just point out at this instance that the current versions of VMware and VirtualBox both cannot boot from USB? It is an error to assume that all modern hardware can. It can't. -- Liam Proven * Profile: http://lproven.live

Re: can't boot F19 system

On 03/20/2014 08:04 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mar 20, 2014, at 6:11 PM, pgaltieri . > wrote: When I run fsck on the disk it comes back clean. Try fsck.ext4 -f It's possible the journal is clean but the file system is not. So how does Linux decide if a drive

Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

Tom Horsley writes: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:35:20 +0100 > lee wrote: > >> > One of the weaknesses of Fedora, in my view, >> > is the apparent lack of interest in what users actually want or need. >> >> +1 > > The distro that actually seems to care (at the moment) about > users is Linux Mint

Re: Booting with external HD missing - WAS:Booting into emergency mode - Help! -SOLVED

Arthur Dent writes: > On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 16:20 +0100, Patrick Laimbock wrote: >> On 23-03-14 16:08, Arthur Dent wrote: >> [snip] >> > Sorry for the noise. I guess I should open another thread, but does >> > anyone know how to auto-mount an external HD ONLY if it's present? >> >> Have a look a

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Tom Horsley writes: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:15:03 +0100 > lee wrote: > >> Think of fvwm: You may think it`s a "minimalistic" window manager. It >> is not, it`s actually the most powerful and most versatile WM I have >> ever seen, and it`s easy to configure to do exactly what you want. > > No on

RE: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

> Then they need to turn around at once! Leaving users in the dark about > what`s going on makes things more difficult for them. Taking away choices > limits the use of the software to the point where it eventually becomes > unusable. > > Good design, clarity, good documentation and letting the

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On 23 March 2014 15:15, lee wrote: > Ian Malone writes: > >> On 21 March 2014 15:19, lee wrote: > And I don`t want a "minimalist system" either. That is very different > from not wanting things I don`t need or don`t want. > > Think of cinelerra, for example. I suppose if you don`t want a >

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On 03/23/2014 12:08 PM, lee wrote: compitz maybe? Close: compiz. I use it with Xfce because I enjoy watching the eye candy. And, I use it (also with Xfce) on my laptop so that I can show all of the "gosh wow" effects to people who only know Windows. Then, I tell them that the laptop came

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:19 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > > The thing is, edge cases like this are really informative. It's really > hard to trace an obscure intermittent bug and it's really hard to file > a useful bug report when the bug is "it doesn't work for me" and you > can't really add more data

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

On 03/23/2014 12:34 PM, lee wrote: I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be something for Fedora.next to address. Well, Fedora is Gn

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On 23 March 2014 19:08, lee wrote: > Tom Horsley writes: > >> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:15:03 +0100 >> lee wrote: >> >>> Think of fvwm: You may think it`s a "minimalistic" window manager. It >>> is not, it`s actually the most powerful and most versatile WM I have >>> ever seen, and it`s easy to con

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Mar 23, 2014, at 12:24 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: >> Make sure you file a bugzilla. > > How/why? It's not a bug. How do you know? You haven't filed a bug report, you haven't presented any logs to anyone to find out if what you're experiencing is in

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, lee wrote: [snip] If she had known that she didn`t need to throw in this or that, wouldn`t that be easier for everyone? Not necessarily. Sometimes neither that absent-minded aunt nor the avaricious nephew know what is most pleasing until it's taken out and played with.

Re: fedup failure [SOLVED]

On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 17:19 +0200, Ahmad Samir wrote: > Downloading failed: GPG key retrieval failed: [Errno 14] > curl#37 - > "Couldn't open > file /etc/pki/rpm-gpg/RPM-GPG-KEY-fedora-x86_64" > > Have a look at: > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=10440

my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

Earlier this month, I posted that Firefox would not start for me. Ed Greshko kindly showed my his output when he started Firefox from the command line. I noticed a bunch of Gnome stuff and assumed that there was some sort of dependency I was missing, installed Gnome, and it seemed to work.

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 03:37, Bill Oliver wrote: <> I still don't know the fix, but the workaround is easy. the "fix" is not a 'fix'. it is using the correct procedure. try this, when you have firefox window open you have _2_built-in_ options to open another window; 1- 2- enjoy. :-) -- peac

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

If you run firefox with one already running it tries to contacts the current running firefox version and may try to open a tab on the already running window, that may be the no error piece. if you want to run 2 separated copies you need to setup another profile and start it like this: firefox --no

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 03:54, Roger Heflin wrote: <> if you want to run 2 separated copies you need to setup another profile and start it like this: firefox --no-remote -P that is another way. but more to go thru than simply using or . -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs gates. t

Apache confuses me

Fedora 19 and centos 6.5 I set up Centos 6.5 to teach myself about setting up a server in my spare time. In both I have /var/www/html both have index.html test files which work as expected. I set up folders /var/www/test_folder and put an index.html in each httpd.conf has DirectoryRoot as

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, g wrote: On 03/24/14 03:37, Bill Oliver wrote: <> I still don't know the fix, but the workaround is easy. the "fix" is not a 'fix'. it is using the correct procedure. try this, when you have firefox window open you have _2_built-in_ options to open another window;

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

I actually wanted 2 separate users that were somewhat isolated from each other so the separate profiles was useful. On Sun, Mar 23, 2014 at 5:10 PM, g wrote: > > > On 03/24/14 03:54, Roger Heflin wrote: > <> > >> if you want to run 2 separated copies you need to setup another >> profile and start

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 3/23/2014 6:38 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: > On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, g wrote: > >> >> >> On 03/24/14 03:37, Bill Oliver wrote: >> <> >>> I still don't know the fix, but the workaround is easy. >> >> the "fix" is not a 'fix'. it is using the correct procedure. >> >> try this, when you have firefox wind

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 05:37, Bill Oliver wrote: > But that's OK. The *problem* is that if I kill firefox by clicking on the > kill-window button rather than the Quit button, the window goes away, but > firefox continues in the background. Thus, if I kill firefox by closing the > window, I can't start it

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/24/14 05:37, Bill Oliver wrote: But that's OK.  The *problem* is that if I kill firefox by clicking on the kill-window button rather than the Quit button, the window goes away, but firefox continues in the background.  Thus, if I kill fir

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 04:38, Bill Oliver wrote: <> The problem is that the process doesn't quit when I kill the window (hit the "x" on the upper right edge of the frame -- which it used to do). Instead, I have to choose File->Quit from the Firefox menu. The process should die when I kill the window. I

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 06:47, Ed Greshko wrote: > "killall /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox" Of course I would make that into an alias. -- Getting tired of non-Fedora discussions and self-serving posts -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://adm

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 04:38, Roger Heflin wrote: I actually wanted 2 separate users that were somewhat isolated from each other so the separate profiles was useful. in such case, using "firefox --no-remote -P " is the proper way. so far, op has not stated he is want to open in 2 profiles. -- peace

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 04:47, David wrote: <> Mozilla's advice is: "Firefox refuses to close using red X; have to right click on screen bottom to close" This specifically says "win XP" but I have seen others say this aboutit in Linux also. this is

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, g wrote: On 03/24/14 04:38, Bill Oliver wrote: <> The problem is that the process doesn't quit when I kill the window (hit the "x" on the upper right edge of the frame -- which it used to do). Instead, I have to choose File->Quit from the Firefox menu. The process

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/23/2014 03:38 PM, Bill Oliver wrote: The problem is that the process doesn't quit when I kill the window (hit the "x" on the upper right edge of the frame -- which it used to do). Instead, I have to choose File->Quit from the Firefox menu. The process should die when I kill the window. I

Re: poweroff command reboots?

On 22/03/2014 12:49, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 21 March 2014, Joe Zeff sent: I know that there are systems where you have to hold the power button down for several seconds to prevent the system from going down because something bumped into the power button; is yours one of them? Usually

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/23/2014 03:47 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: Instead of using ps, you can simply use "killall /usr/lib64/firefox/firefox" (note I'm running 64bit) pkill -9 firefox -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/

Re: poweroff command reboots?

On 22/03/2014 14:26, g wrote: On 03/22/14 15:13, Aero Maxx wrote: On 22/03/2014 01:39, Hunter Jozwiak wrote: On 3/21/14, Aero Maxx wrote: Hi Everyone, I have an issue where the poweroff command reboots my system. Using /sbin/shutdown -h also reboot the system. I am unsure whats causing t

Re: poweroff command reboots?

On 22/03/2014 09:41, Liam Proven wrote: On 22 March 2014 09:07, Aero Maxx wrote: I am running the latest version of the kernel, as for the firmware update I'm not sure if this has been done or not, or what firmware I should be trying to update. The motherboard firmware. What used to be called

Re: poweroff command reboots?

On 03/23/2014 04:43 PM, Aero Maxx wrote: I don't have a mouse or keyboard on the machine itself, and also i'm not booting into runlevel 3 so there is no gui, just a console screen. I presume you mean that you're not booting into runlevel 5, because what you're describing is runlevel 3: text on

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 18:24 +, Liam Proven wrote: > On 22 March 2014 18:25, Ed Greshko wrote: > > Make sure you file a bugzilla. > > How/why? It's not a bug. If it doesn't work as it's supposed to, it's a bug. > > Talking about it on this list will not result in any action. > > Won't it? W

Re: postgresql 8.4 on fedora 19

On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 11:39 +, hicham wrote: > Hello Every one > > I'm need to test an database application which runs with postgresql 8.4 > is there a way to install it on fedora 19 ? > > or should i downgrade ? : ( > > thanks Since it's for testing, consider using a virtual machine with t

Re: fedup failure [SOLVED]

On Sun, 2014-03-23 at 15:13 -0600, Greg Woods wrote: > It was a bit annoying, since this happened right after I discovered > that > upgrading via the DVD is no longer an option, we're supposed to use > fedup, then fedup didn't work. I should have thought of searching the > bugzilla to see if this h

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 05:37, Joe Zeff wrote: <> If you haven't already, open a bugzilla on it. The situation is odd enough that it should get somebody's attention fairly quickly, especially if your report includes an offer to get whatever debug info is needed. are you ever living in a dream world whe

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 05:07, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, g wrote: <<<>>> just what version and release are you having problems with? have you tried using to kill window? KDE 4.12.3 4.3.4 Firefox 27.0.1 24.4.0 % uname -a Linux localhost.localdomain 3.13.6-200.fc20.x86_64 #1 S

Re: Review of best photo managers?

Hi, On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 12:42 AM, CS_DBA wrote: > > On 03/20/2014 04:11 PM, Rex Dieter wrote: > >> Alex wrote: >> >> Does anyone have any recommendations for a photo management app for >>> fedora? >>> >> digikam >> >> -- Rex >> >> > I also use digikam, it's top notch! Thanks everyone for

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/23/2014 07:06 PM, g wrote: 24.4.0 Maybe if you upgraded to the newest version this would Just Go Away. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Fedora Code of Conduct: http:

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 08:17, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2014 07:06 PM, g wrote: 24.4.0 Maybe if you upgraded to the newest version this would Just Go Away. if i was having problem op is having, i would well consider it. ;-) right now, i would rather stay where i am because i do am not having proble

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2014 07:06 PM, g wrote: 24.4.0 Maybe if you upgraded to the newest version this would Just Go Away. g's not having the problem, I am :-) billo -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription option

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, g wrote: kills the process. is that not what you want, to able to kill window and process? Yeah, it'll work. I just have to remember it. I use GUIs by muscle memory, so I'll likely close the window 10 or 20 times before I remember... billo -- users mailing list

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 08:57, Bill Oliver wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, Joe Zeff wrote: On 03/23/2014 07:06 PM, g wrote: 24.4.0 Maybe if you upgraded to the newest version this would Just Go Away. g's not having the problem, I am :-) lol. -- peace out. in a world with out fences, who needs

Re: my stupid users trick -- the Firefox issue from earlier this month.wq

On 03/24/14 08:58, Bill Oliver wrote: On Mon, 24 Mar 2014, g wrote: kills the process. is that not what you want, to able to kill window and process? Yeah, it'll work. I just have to remember it. I use GUIs by muscle memory, so I'll likely close the window 10 or 20 times before I re

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

Bill Oliver writes: > On Sun, 23 Mar 2014, lee wrote: > >>[snip] >> If she had known that she didn`t need to throw in this or that, wouldn`t >> that be easier for everyone? >> >> > > Not necessarily. Sometimes neither that absent-minded aunt nor the > avaricious nephew know what is most pleasing

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

"Powell, Michael" writes: >> Then they need to turn around at once! Leaving users in the dark about >> what`s going on makes things more difficult for them. Taking away choices >> limits the use of the software to the point where it eventually becomes >> unusable. >> >> Good design, clarity, g

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Joe Zeff writes: > On 03/23/2014 12:08 PM, lee wrote: >> compitz maybe? > > Close: compiz. I use it with Xfce because I enjoy watching the eye > candy. There`s nothing wrong with it when you like the eye candy. It`s good to have choices :) > And, I use it (also with Xfce) on my laptop so that

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

Liam Proven writes: > On 22 March 2014 17:23, lee wrote: >> Let`s say you install to a software RAID-1 --- which is minimum >> requirement for anything to put data on --- made from two disks, with >> encrypted partitions (as usual /, /usr, /home, /tmp, /var, /usr/local, >> and a swap partition).

Re: Is it irrelevant what users of FOSS think? (Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?"))

Joe Zeff writes: > On 03/23/2014 12:34 PM, lee wrote: >> I`m somewhat surprised that the feeling of apparent desinterest of the >> makers of Fedora in what its users think seems kinda widespread under >> its users. Perhaps it`s a wrong impression; if not, it may be something >> for Fedora.next t

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Ian Malone writes: > On 23 March 2014 19:08, lee wrote: >> Tom Horsley writes: >> >>> On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 16:15:03 +0100 >>> lee wrote: >> Now someone tell me how I get virtual desktops with gnome or kde to >> which I can switch by just moving the mouse pointer over the edge of the >> screen?

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Ian Malone writes: > There is no-one on the planet who thinks emacs is minimalistic I`m not so sure about that. There are even ppl who have never heard about emacs, and if they`d see it, they might very well think it is. > With this and all your other examples you are talking about individual

Re: USB vs DVD, was: Fedora Present and Future

On 03/23/2014 04:41 PM, Chris Murphy wrote: On Mar 23, 2014, at 2:36 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 03/23/2014 08:56 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 18:29:02 + Timothy Murphy wrote: Ed Greshko wrote: Does anybody nowadays actually burn CDs or DVDs? Yes, because unlike US