Re: Linux/Deb system management solution

On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 13:07 +0800, skyisthelimit.1000 wrote: > Hi, What could be the recomended enterprise linux systems management > solution for 20 linux servers? With support for centos 4 and ubuntu? Have you asked on Centos and Ubuntu lists? poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproj

Re: Linux/Deb system management solution

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 > Hi, What could be the recomended enterprise linux systems > management solution for 20 linux servers? With support for centos 4 > and ubuntu? > > Thanks Best Regards > Systems management? Such as? That's a really open ended question. However, i

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

Matthew Miller writes: > Because it grew rather long, I think it works best as a web article, which > you can find on Fedora Magazine at . > Because really, even though many people think the base OS is now > boring, it’s far from done, and there is a lot of in

Smartmontools question: reporting drive temperatures

I’m running smartd (6.2-2) on my SATA drives on my F20 system and I get daily cron messages like: /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_03] : Usage: Temperature_Celsius (194) changed to 120, 121, 120, 121, 120, 119, 118, 117, 118, 119, 120, which isn’t as useful as generating normalized values. Anyon

Re: Smartmontools question: reporting drive temperatures

On Mar 21, 2014, at 9:54 AM, Philip Prindeville wrote: > I’m running smartd (6.2-2) on my SATA drives on my F20 system and I get daily > cron messages like: > > /dev/twa0 [3ware_disk_03] : > Usage: Temperature_Celsius (194) changed to > 120, 121, 120, 121, 120, 119, 118, 117, 118, 119,

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 04:19:05PM +0100, lee wrote: > > Because really, even though many people think the base OS is now > > boring, it’s far from done, and there is a lot of innovation going on > > at that level as well. > What do you consider as "base OS"? It's somewhat nebulous, but, as a gene

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On 03/21/2014 10:13 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: Sure it is. Again, hyperbole doesn't really help. In fact, in many situations, an MTA doesn't do you any good, as your network won't allow it to do anything useful remotely (true now at most big companies and on most big ISPs) and local delivery goes

no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:27:02AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > If you do need to use sendmail, and your ISP is blocking Port 25, > it's not that hard to configure things to use a smarthost. As an > example, I have my own (vanity) domain and use its mail servers, > over Port 587. I also have sendmail

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 19 March 2014 15:53, Matthew Miller wrote: > I promised a while ago that I would provide a text version of my talk at > DevConf, for people who couldn't make it and because sitting through a video > of me standing up there going on and on doesn't really make for good > followup discussion. > >

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

On 03/21/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew Miller wrote: Absolutely. But since you need to configure it before it's useful, it's arguably actively harmful to have it running by default. That's all. No one is removing MTAs from the distro. That depends. If your ISP isn't doing any port blocking, the defau

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

On 03/21/2014 10:30 AM, Matthew Miller issued this missive: On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:27:02AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: If you do need to use sendmail, and your ISP is blocking Port 25, it's not that hard to configure things to use a smarthost. As an example, I have my own (vanity) domain and use

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 05:50:48PM +, Liam Proven wrote: > Interesting... thanks for that. > Question. It seems implicit in the piece that Ubuntu has the eyeballs, > as it were, even if it's not cool any more either. > Do you guys ever ask yourselves /why/ that is and if there's anything > you

Re: no default mta [was Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)]

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 10:55:56AM -0700, Rick Stevens wrote: > Unlike others, however, I find the new system logging and analysis tools > cumbersome and painful to use. Having a program send an email to me if > it encounters issues is FAR superior to me having to plow through the > logs to see if

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 03/21/2014 10:50 AM, Liam Proven wrote: Question. It seems implicit in the piece that Ubuntu has the eyeballs, as it were, even if it's not cool any more either. Do you guys ever ask yourselves/why/ that is and if there's anything you could do to change it? I'm guessing that you mean that

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:13:28 -0400 Matthew Miller wrote: > Saying something "sucks" isn't very helpful. Not only is it needlessly > negative, it is intangible. Name a real problem and we can talk about it. Every single aspect of it is a real problem. In the dictionary they have a picture of it ne

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 21 March 2014 18:04, Joe Zeff wrote: > I'm guessing that you mean that Ubuntu is more popular, and has a much > bigger installed user base. Yes, that's right. > If so, it's probably because it's designed to > be very user friendly, True, I think it succeeds better there. I have been running

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 11:04:24AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > I'm guessing that you mean that Ubuntu is more popular, and has a > much bigger installed user base. If so, it's probably because it's > designed to be very user friendly, doesn't make a big deal about > some of the software restrictions

Apparmor on Fedora

Hi, I saw that there is apparmor support for Ubuntu and for openSuse. I could not find rpm packages for Fedora. Is it possible to use Apparmor on Fedora 20 by building from source code ? regards, Kevin -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription opt

Re: Apparmor on Fedora

Hi On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 2:54 PM, Kevin Wilson wrote: > Hi, > I saw that there is apparmor support for Ubuntu and for openSuse. > > I could not find rpm packages for Fedora. > Is it possible to use Apparmor on Fedora 20 by building > from source code ? > Possible but difficult to get it runn

RE: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

> Every single aspect of it is a real problem. In the dictionary they have a > picture of it next to the word "disaster". The whole random wheel/spoke > thing is an invitation to forget to do something important. And who the hell > would think that "network" would be the spoke where you set the sys

poweroff command reboots?

Hi Everyone, I have an issue where the poweroff command reboots my system. Using /sbin/shutdown -h also reboot the system. I am unsure whats causing this or how to go about finding the cause, I am not sure if its something I have done when I installed fedora or not. Pressing the power button

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 07:14:57PM +, Powell, Michael wrote: > > The old installer did a much better job of 'guiding' the user through > a set path of installation which achieved greater visibility and made > it hard to skip or miss options. Of course, the negative side was the > user could ha

Re: poweroff command reboots?

On 03/21/2014 01:07 PM, Aero Maxx wrote: Pressing the power button on the front of my cause also makes the system reboot and not shutdown as expected. It's possible that the issue is hardware, not software. I know that there are systems where you have to hold the power button down for seve

Reminder -- Don't post big attachments

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Re: poweroff command reboots?

On 21 March 2014 20:07, Aero Maxx wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have an issue where the poweroff command reboots my system. > > Using /sbin/shutdown -h also reboot the system. > > I am unsure whats causing this or how to go about finding the cause, I am > not sure if its something I have done when I

RE: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I,?“Why?”)

> I don't get it, how is "bouncing around" faster? I bounced around for an > eternity when I installed F20 on my new laptop. Earlier it used to take me > something of the order of an hour to get everything done, this time around it > was so frustrating I gave up after a couple of hours more than o

NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

Hi All; I can plug a hard wire into my laptop and boot up, it comes up connected. I can boot up with no connection and then tell it to connect to the wireless it works fine, but if later I click disconnect for the wireless and plug the hard wire (cat 6) cable in it says it's "connecting" but

Re: Dell U2913WM 2560 x 1080

Asus NVIDIA EN7300GT DVI Max Resolution 2560 x 1600 On 03/20/2014 07:30 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/21/14 09:36, Rich Emberson wrote: Thinking about getting a Dell UltraSharp 29 Ultrawide Monitor U2913WM but I've not found anyone on the net saying that they've been able to configure X to take a

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, “Why?”)

On Mar 21, 2014, at 12:10 PM, Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 21 Mar 2014 13:13:28 -0400 > Matthew Miller wrote: > >> Saying something "sucks" isn't very helpful. Not only is it needlessly >> negative, it is intangible. Name a real problem and we can talk about it. > > Every single aspect of it i

Re: Dell U2913WM 2560 x 1080

On 03/22/14 06:58, Rich Emberson wrote: > Asus NVIDIA EN7300GT > DVI Max Resolution 2560 x 1600 As long as your hardware supports the resolution, there should be no problem. You will probably also make sure you are using a dual-link cable. I notice that the necessary cable is included with th

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

On 03/22/14 06:07, CS_DBA wrote: > I can plug a hard wire into my laptop and boot up, it comes up connected. > > I can boot up with no connection and then tell it to connect to the wireless > it works fine, but if later I click disconnect for the wireless and plug the > hard wire (cat 6) cable in

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

On 03/21/2014 05:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/22/14 06:07, CS_DBA wrote: I can plug a hard wire into my laptop and boot up, it comes up connected. I can boot up with no connection and then tell it to connect to the wireless it works fine, but if later I click disconnect for the wireless and

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

On 03/22/14 07:39, CS_DBA wrote: > > On 03/21/2014 05:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 03/22/14 06:07, CS_DBA wrote: >>> I can plug a hard wire into my laptop and boot up, it comes up connected. >>> >>> I can boot up with no connection and then tell it to connect to the >>> wireless it works fine, b

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 21 March 2014 23:25, Chris Murphy wrote: > Ahh, so when hyperbole simply isn't going far enough we actually have to > descend into the obviously ridiculous, as in, worthy of ridicule. My house > plant can do a Fedora install with this installer. That you keep failing to > get any kind of suc

Re: mailing list suggestion: all lists accept posts from subscribers to any list

On 03/21/14 15:03, Mohan Prakash wrote: Hi Wouldn't it be nice to have some sort of a control panel where we can view all mailing list subscriptions and make necessary changes in the same place? At present we have to switch back and forth from one mailing list configuration to another. regards

Re: poweroff command reboots?

Try using -P, -h doesn't work right for me, either. Frankly, I don't know what shutdown -h refers to, anyways. I gather that it halts something, but it doesn't turn off the machine. On 3/21/14, Aero Maxx wrote: > Hi Everyone, > > I have an issue where the poweroff command reboots my system. > > U

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

On 03/21/2014 05:43 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/22/14 07:39, CS_DBA wrote: On 03/21/2014 05:33 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 03/22/14 06:07, CS_DBA wrote: I can plug a hard wire into my laptop and boot up, it comes up connected. I can boot up with no connection and then tell it to connect to the

Re: NetworkManager - have to reboot to change connections

On 03/22/14 10:40, CS_DBA wrote: > Here's what I see > > 1) If I boot up with no cable plugged in it auto connects to the wireless > immediately > > 2) If I boot up with the cable (cat 5/6) plugged in it immediately connects > to em1 > > 3) If I boot with the cable plugged in, then unplug the cab

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On Mar 21, 2014, at 6:18 PM, Liam Proven wrote: > On 21 March 2014 23:25, Chris Murphy wrote: >> Ahh, so when hyperbole simply isn't going far enough we actually have to >> descend into the obviously ridiculous, as in, worthy of ridicule. My house >> plant can do a Fedora install with this in

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

On 03/22/14 08:18, Liam Proven wrote: > Secondly, I can confirm this finding. I was completely unable to > install F20 using the current installer program. My system has 2 > drives - a 1TB HD and a 120GB SSD. The SSD holds Ubuntu and Win7; the > 1TB drive holds /home, swap, a dedicated Windows swap

Re: Fedora Present and Future: a Fedora.next 2014 Update (Part I, "Why?")

> So, I don't know what may be different in my configuration (maybe the windows > swap?) that allowed me to compete the exercise. But surely, it isn't totally > broken for everyone. Perhaps not. And in fact, I have sort of figured out what to do to get exactly the old anaconda way of doing thi