Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 00:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > But someone should tell them that there is plenty of light on RPM-land > (considering they put Fedora, RHEL and CentOS in the same bag). I think you all missed their point about wanting an install that has a longer lifespan. They're jump

Sometimes I need to kill java

2013-10-11 Thread Frank Murphy
F20 but general question. I test both upstream and Fedora Azureus (Vuze) use openjdk for both. I created an azvuze.service to automate restarts (during the night) Sometimes openjdk stays, sometimes crashes out. If it stays, it prevents restart. by either service file, manually typing # azureus.

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 October 2013 11:40, Tim wrote: > On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 00:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> But someone should tell them that there is plenty of light on RPM-land >> (considering they put Fedora, RHEL and CentOS in the same bag). > > I think you all missed their point about wanting an inst

Re: Sometimes I need to kill java

2013-10-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 October 2013 12:10, Frank Murphy wrote: > F20 but general question. > > I test both upstream and Fedora Azureus (Vuze) > use openjdk for both. > > I created an azvuze.service > to automate restarts (during the night) > > Sometimes openjdk stays, sometimes crashes out. > If it stays, it preve

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Tom Horsley
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:24:40 +0100 Ian Malone wrote: > Ubuntu is increasingly being customised away from Debian. Yep. In fact if I wanted to pick something to point at as the "dark side" I'd take the Ubuntu unity desktop as the worst example of utter awfulness anywhere in linux. Gnome 3 is worki

Re: Sometimes I need to kill java

2013-10-11 Thread Frank Murphy
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:30:25 +0100 Ian Malone wrote: > On 11 October 2013 12:10, Frank Murphy wrote: > For example: > journalctl | grep azureus | grep "ERROR: unable to bind" > /dev/null > && killall -SIGHUP java Thanks Ian, > > More elegant to be able to detect this failure at the attempt t

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Itamar Reis Peixoto
>> > You can get both Fedora and CentOS on Linode and Digital Ocean. Vote > with your money. > DigitalOcean is not trusteable, they have deleted my virtual machines and tole me that I have violated they AUP/TOS, I have asked how and they never replied, if you start using some CPU or bandwith the

update errors

2013-10-11 Thread Frank
Updated my 19 installation this morning and ran into errors again. This is from yum's log: Oct 11 09:42:09 Updated: gnupg2-2.0.22-1.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:10 Updated: usbmuxd-1.0.8-10.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:11 Updated: psacct-6.6.1-7.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:11 Updated: libtar-1.2.11-26.fc19.i686

Re: update errors

2013-10-11 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 10/11/2013 04:02 PM, Frank wrote: Updated my 19 installation this morning and ran into errors again. This is from yum's log: Oct 11 09:42:09 Updated: gnupg2-2.0.22-1.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:10 Updated: usbmuxd-1.0.8-10.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:11 Updated: psacct-6.6.1-7.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Bill Oliver
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Itamar Reis Peixoto wrote: You can get both Fedora and CentOS on Linode and Digital Ocean. Vote with your money. DigitalOcean is not trusteable, they have deleted my virtual machines and tole me that I have violated they AUP/TOS, I have asked how and they never replied

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.10.2013 12:40, schrieb Tim: > On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 00:00 -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: >> But someone should tell them that there is plenty of light on RPM-land >> (considering they put Fedora, RHEL and CentOS in the same bag). > > I think you all missed their point about wanting an instal

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 10.10.2013 22:48, schrieb linux.w...@gmail.com: > Seems like DreamHost considers Red Hat Fedora users second class citizens: > http://www.dreamhost.com/dreamscape/2013/06/03/change-is-in-the-air-dreamhost-upgrades/ i can't see anything new there which is not bullshit and the end of the day -

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.10.2013 17:45, schrieb Bill Oliver: > They offer CentOS and Fedora on their virtual machines. I use Fedora on my > home machine, but switched to CentOS on > the virtual machine because it's a hassle to frequently upgrade, and going > from fedora 16 to 18 was impossible > without reprovis

[SOLVED]Re: update errors

2013-10-11 Thread Frank
On 11/10/13 10:22 AM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: On 10/11/2013 04:02 PM, Frank wrote: Updated my 19 installation this morning and ran into errors again. This is from yum's log: Oct 11 09:42:25 psacct-6.6.1-6.fc19.i686: ts_done name in te is usbmuxd should be psacct-6.6.1-6.fc19.i686 Oct 11 09:42:

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 11 October 2013, Reindl Harald sent: > which has *nothing* to do with "the darker side of the Internet" That part of their message was *CLEARLY* humorous. -- All mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted, there is no point trying to privately email me, I will only read

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Stephen Gallagher
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 10/11/2013 01:19 PM, Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 11 October 2013, Reindl Harald sent: >> which has *nothing* to do with "the darker side of the Internet" > > That part of their message was *CLEARLY* humorous. > You keep using that word. I

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Ian Malone
On 11 October 2013 19:01, Stephen Gallagher wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > On 10/11/2013 01:19 PM, Tim wrote: >> Allegedly, on or about 11 October 2013, Reindl Harald sent: >>> which has *nothing* to do with "the darker side of the Internet" >> >> That part of their m

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Bill Oliver
On Fri, 11 Oct 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 11.10.2013 17:45, schrieb Bill Oliver: They offer CentOS and Fedora on their virtual machines. I use Fedora on my home machine, but switched to CentOS on the virtual machine because it's a hassle to frequently upgrade, and going from fedora 16 t

Bill Oliver's essay on "just follow instructions".

2013-10-11 Thread Rolf Turner
I am referring to Bill Oliver's essay that appeared under the "Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"" thread, just recently. I just wanted to say how wonderfully well-expressed this essay was. It is widely applicable and should be required reading for "gurus" in ever-so-many areas. (T

f19netinst boots but no X-windows, only black text screen

2013-10-11 Thread jackson byers
OCT10 2013 finally got my f19netinst booting! This used the .iso in: menuentry 'Fedora 19 netinst' { linux /vmlinuz-install stage2=hd:/dev/sda9:root/Fedora-19-i386-netinst.iso initrd /initrd.img-install } BUT no X-windows yet. I am still stuck in that black text-only screen and I don't

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Martin S
On Friday, October 11, 2013 07:31:32 AM Tom Horsley wrote: > On Fri, 11 Oct 2013 12:24:40 +0100 > > Ian Malone wrote: > > Ubuntu is increasingly being customised away from Debian. > > Yep. In fact if I wanted to pick something to point at as > the "dark side" I'd take the Ubuntu unity desktop as

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Tim
Tim: >> That part of their message was *CLEARLY* humorous.> Stephen Gallagher > You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it > means. I *keep* on using *what* word? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.56.fc9.i686 Don't send private replies to my address, the m

Re: Fedora = "the darker side of the Internet?"

2013-10-11 Thread Jeff Gustafson
On Fri, 2013-10-11 at 17:53 -0400, Bill Oliver wrote: > Sigh. Yes, I know you have to go through 17 to get to 18, Mr. Harald. > And, no, it's not just a matter of "following instructions." In fact, > almost nothing that requires significant technical skill is just a > matter of "following instruc