Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 21:40 +0200, Ralf Corsepius wrote: > Just think about what you'd tell me, if I tell you: "You must do it > this > way" ... You'd likely take it as a rudity. > > However, this is the 1:1 translation of what Germans would use to > express what US Americans are likely to expre

Re: Etiquette In Regard To Long Verbose Off Charter Threads?

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 12:24 -0700, Thomas Dineen wrote: > Gentle People: > > Do we need to consider new policies regarding limits on > long verbose off charter threads. > > Some of you may remember way back when this reflector > had a charter regarding something like: > > "Community Supp

USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Hello, My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for want of a better term). So I purchased a Keydex UG-ND1118-SV USB Lan Adapter and hooked it on, but it does not appear to be recognized (F19). Looking at the packaging, it looks like there is a driver download site at download.ke

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for want of > a better term). So I purchased a Keydex UG-ND1118-SV USB Lan Adapter and > hooked it on, but it does not appear to be recognized (F19). Looking at > the packaging, it looks like there

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/15/2013 05:39 PM, Ranjan Maitra issued this missive: Hello, My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for want of a better term). So I purchased a Keydex UG-ND1118-SV USB Lan Adapter and hooked it on, but it does not appear to be recognized (F19). Looking at the packaging,

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:49:58 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for want of > > a better term). So I purchased a Keydex UG-ND1118-SV USB Lan Adapter and > > hooked it on, but it does not appear to be rec

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > The product in question is available on Amazon and is this: > > http://www.amazon.com/KEYDEX-Ethernet-Network-Adapter-Memory/dp/B007VG5OYS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373935036&sr=8-1&keywords=keydex+USB+lan+adapter Also. Just of interest. http://ww

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/16/13 08:54, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Thanks, sorry I should have thought about this. > > Bus 001 Device 004: ID 05e3:0608 Genesys Logic, Inc. USB-2.0 4-Port HUB > Bus 001 Device 005: ID 0a46:9621 Davicom Semiconductor, Inc. > Bus 001 Device 006: ID 14cd:8122 Super Top And, for clarification

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/15/2013 05:54 PM, Ranjan Maitra issued this missive: On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:49:58 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for want of a better term). So I purchased a Keydex UG-ND1118-SV USB Lan Adapter a

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:55:18 +0800 Ed Greshko wrote: > On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > > The product in question is available on Amazon and is this: > > > > http://www.amazon.com/KEYDEX-Ethernet-Network-Adapter-Memory/dp/B007VG5OYS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1373935036&sr=8-1&keywords=keyde

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:00 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 07/15/2013 05:54 PM, Ranjan Maitra issued this missive: > >> On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 08:49:58 +0800 Ed Greshko >> wrote: >> >>> On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for w

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Here we are (sorry for any line-wrapping): unplugged: $ lsusb Bus 001 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 002 Device 002: ID 8087:0024 Intel Corp. Integrated Rate Matching Hub Bus 003 Device 010: ID 046d:c00c Logitech, Inc. Optical Wheel Mouse Bus 001 Device 0

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/16/13 08:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I can try that, but I was wondering if > there are open-source alternatives available (perhaps from RPMfusion, > etc). Well Doing a little more digging. Downloaded the UG-ND1118.zip and found that the file does contain source for the linux drive

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 07/14/2013 12:26 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: On Sat, 13 Jul 2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 07/13/2013 11:57 AM, Michael Hennebry wrote: For me it was the aggravation. Installing was always a struggle. I was on F14 when I tried to do a fresh install of F16. Never got it to work. I'm

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Thanks! > Downloaded the UG-ND1118.zip and found that the file does contain source for > the linux drivers and that the driver name appears to be 9621. It is not > included in the current F19 release. (dm9601 is included). Also, the build > fails. Beyond the obvious (finding someone willi

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 10:23 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: > driver name appears to be 9621. It is not included in the current F19 > release. (dm9601 is included). Also, the build fails. Yes, Davicom always puts the chipset number as partbof the USB PID. In your case 0a46:9621 Here is the Davicom D

Re: Transmission daemon not starting in Fedora 19

2013-07-15 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having trouble starting transmission-daemon. When I try to start it > with systemctl, it hangs: > > # systemctl start transmission-daemon.service > Make sure you have https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2013-13033

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Thanks! On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 23:07:48 -0300 Fernando Cassia wrote: > > Here is the Davicom DM9621 chipset datasheet, in case you feel like > writing your own driver ;-) > > http://www.alldatasheet.com/datasheet-pdf/pdf/456480/DAVICOM/DM9621NP.html Thanks! Not sure what to do with this, sorry.

Re: Etiquette In Regard To Long Verbose Off Charter Threads?

2013-07-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/15/2013 05:26 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Perhaps. It could be added to the Guidelines, maybe after the part about not posting in HTML ... (ducks) Among other things, I'm on the support list for Scribus, and the software running the list is set to scrub all HTML, leaving only a notic

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Ranjan Maitra writes: But the sysadmin checked and the product packaging also says Linux (and the driver site has something in there -- looks like with the 2.6 kernel): I was trying to find an OSS option. Generally: if it's not supported out of the box with the kernel, it's a useless brick.

Re: Transmission daemon not starting in Fedora 19

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/16/13 10:37, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > Hi > > > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 7:25 PM, Suvayu Ali > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm having trouble starting transmission-daemon. When I try to start it > with systemctl, it hangs: > > # systemctl start tran

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > The one advantage of this particular product was it was an USB adapter > as well as an SD card reader in addition to the ethernet LAN adapter. I > guess we should have been more careful and not get swayed by all these > apparent features! D

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Reindl Harald writes: > the real problem is thread-view Perhaps you'd be happier with a different MUA. You seem to be using something similar to the MUA built into seamonkey. I have always found it totally unsuited for managing more than a very few mails. Have you tried gnus or mutt? -- Fe

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Bill Davidsen writes: >> lee wrote: >> > >> Queue your posts before sending them. >> > I tried that, and wound up not remembering to post afterword. It > sounds better than it works, at least for me. It can happen --- since I got used to it, I don't forget it anymore. Even if I do, nothing terri

partitioning (was: Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora)

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Richard Vickery writes: > the installation program gives you everything you need to have an > operational system; after you have it installed: > > fdisk > > is the command to create your much needed / loved partitions that the > installer did not. Well ok, in that case you may be better off runn

importance of upgradeability (was: Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?)

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Michael Hennebry writes: >> On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote: > In my case, I found Fedora very expensive to upgrade. That I can understand --- upgrading twice a year, especially when it's questionable if the upgrade works --- can be painful, all the more when you have many machines to upgrade.

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Tue, 16 Jul 2013 00:15:55 -0300 Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:44 PM, Ranjan Maitra > wrote: > > The one advantage of this particular product was it was an USB adapter > > as well as an SD card reader in addition to the ethernet LAN adapter. I > > guess we should have bee

Re: Crossword printing problem -

2013-07-15 Thread Tim
Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > I tried Midori and it displayed and printed a puzzle without a > problem. > > At least I have a work-around! Wondering out loud: Are those sites deliberately designed to make it hard/impossible to print? -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -r 2.6.27.25-78.2.

Re: ZoneMinder and ffmpeg

2013-07-15 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 13:33 -0300, Fernando Lozano wrote: > Because the zoneminder package for Fedora will store only JPEG files, > it uses up too much disk space and I can store only a a couple days. CRON job to compile a daily movie out of the JPEGs, then delete them afterwards? (Or delete them

Fedora 19 Boxes

2013-07-15 Thread Roger
Noticed in F18 and now Fedora 19 a tool called Boxes. Is this a Virtualisation tool? Is it like VMware, etc. Does it work Ok? Does anyone use it? What results were seen? Is it Good or Bad or indifferent? Google doesn't help at all. Can someone please enlighten me. TIA Roger -- users mailing li

Re: USB Lan Adapter

2013-07-15 Thread poma
On 16.07.2013 02:39, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > Hello, > > My Dell XPS 13 is one of those without an ethernet outlet (for want of > a better term). So I purchased a Keydex UG-ND1118-SV USB Lan Adapter and > hooked it on, but it does not appear to be recognized (F19). Looking at > the packaging, it loo

Re: install /boot with encrypted partition (SOLVED)

2013-07-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/14/2013 09:27 AM, Richard Vickery wrote: Ranjan, please remember that we prefer bottom-posting. And trimming, especially of signatures and other boiler plate. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.or

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/14/2013 11:54 PM, Ian Malone wrote: Historically in English. Otherwise the example they give, "Jesus'", would have to be written in Greek. (Or possibly Aramaic). Greek. "Jesus" isn't a word used in either Hebrew or Aramaic, but it is the greek translation of "Joshua." -- users mailing

Re: idea for F20 release name to honor Seth

2013-07-15 Thread Jaroslav Reznik
- Original Message - > On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 11:48:00AM -0300, Sylvia Sánchez wrote: > > +1 to Yummy Cycles > > The F20 name nomination period is officially over, but we haven't had the > vote yet. I suppose this should be a ticket with FESCO or the Fedora Board > if people are really in

Re: Schrödinger▊s & Schr?dinger?s

2013-07-15 Thread Andrew Haley
On 07/14/2013 05:31 PM, Ranjan Maitra wrote: > So I was thinking this morning: isn't it time to get back to the old > way of naming Fedora releases (if at all) where we had such good names > (places, I believe: Cambridge, Heidelberg, etc) instead of these > nonsensical two-word names **apparently**

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-15 Thread Klaus-Peter Schrage
Am 13.07.2013 14:49, schrieb Klaus-Peter Schrage: Is there any way to tell grub2 to display this somewhat nicer in the menu, like in /etc/fedora-release: Schrödinger’s Cat. Thanks FWIW, there is a "workaround" to make the ugly entry in the boot menu disappear: grub2-mkconfig -o /boot/grub2/gr

Fwd: request

2013-07-15 Thread Skander Bahloul
- Forwarded Message - From: "Skander Bahloul" To: "denis arnaud fedora" Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 4:23:34 AM Subject: request Hi, I'am a student searching to download Fedora 14 64 bit. Can you propose me a link please. Thank you very much. Best, -- users mailing list users@l

Re: request

2013-07-15 Thread Yasin Suluhan
here you go http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/14/x86_64/ On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:32 AM, Skander Bahloul < skander.bahl...@eleves.ec-nantes.fr> wrote: > > > - Forwarded Message - > From: "Skander Bahloul" > To: "denis arnaud fedora" > Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 4:2

Re: request

2013-07-15 Thread Skander Bahloul
Thank you !! I tried to download from one of the server http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/14/x86_64/. But when i boot to install Fedora, the PC shuted down after making the check of the CD. Can you help me please. Thank you very much! Best, - Original Message - Fro

Why once 'umlaut+black rectangle' and once '?+?'

2013-07-15 Thread Alexander Volovics
I already asked this in the mail "Schrödinger▊s & Schr?dinger?s" to which I got a completely irrelevant answer (with irrelevant follow ups). Why does the "unicode bug" get expressed in 2 different ways on 2 different laptops: On a Dell Inspiron laptop as: "Schr?dinger?s Cat" (?+?) On a Lenovo Thi

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 06:27 +0200, lee wrote: > You need to realise that native speakers of English have a tendency to > be overly polite and to expect others to be just as overly polite as > they are, in ways non-native speakers of English mostly cannot fathom > (at least Germans cannot). At the

Re: encrypting disks

2013-07-15 Thread Ian Chapman
On 15/07/13 05:22, Bill Oliver wrote: I have read, but do not perceive personally, that encrypted disks are a bit slower. But really, the reason that I don't encrypt entire disks is a fear of what happens if either I forget my password or there's a corruption issue. With an encrypted folder, t

Re: Why once 'umlaut+black rectangle' and once '?+?'

2013-07-15 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 10:51:16 +0200 Alexander Volovics wrote: > Why does the "unicode bug" get expressed in 2 different ways > on 2 different laptops: I've seen it both ways on the same machine. Once when it appears in the grub menu (? and ?) and once when it is printed in the boot messages (with

problem system multiboot

2013-07-15 Thread Skander Bahloul
Hi, I try to make grub2. But, i can't reboot now because of problem of configuration of grub : 'Minimal BASH-like editing is supported. for the first word, TAB lists possible commande completions. Anywhere else TAB lists possible commande completations. anywhere else TAB lists possible device

RE: install /boot with encrypted partition

2013-07-15 Thread J.Witvliet
-Original Message- From: users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org [mailto:users-boun...@lists.fedoraproject.org] On Behalf Of Heinz Diehl Sent: Monday, July 15, 2013 8:50 AM To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org Subject: Re: install /boot with encrypted partition On 14.07.2013, Ranjan Maitra w

Re: request

2013-07-15 Thread Yasin Suluhan
You can try installing it in a vm environment first... On Mon, Jul 15, 2013 at 11:40 AM, Skander Bahloul < skander.bahl...@eleves.ec-nantes.fr> wrote: > Thank you !! > > I tried to download from one of the server > http://mirrors.fedoraproject.org/publiclist/Fedora/14/x86_64/. > But when i boot

Re: ignoring a particular package another one depends on

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/15/13 13:16, lee wrote: > Thanks --- that makes it even more likely that it'll be fixed soon. https://bugzilla.rpmfusion.org/show_bug.cgi?id=2879 -- The only thing worse than a poorly asked question is a cryptic answer. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: how to pxe boot using Fedora 19 live CDs

2013-07-15 Thread Jerome Yanga
On Fri, Jul 12, 2013 at 2:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 07/12/2013 01:44 PM, Jerome Yanga wrote: > >> Yup. I have tried that. I get an out of memory error or the connection >> times out. >> > > That doesn't sound right. How much RAM and swap do you have? > > -- > users mailing list > users@lists

Re: [389-users] 389 directory server crash

2013-07-15 Thread Rich Megginson
On 07/15/2013 02:57 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: On 07/12/2013 05:55 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 07/12/2013 08:22 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: On 07/09/2013 03:34 PM, Rich Megginson wrote: On 07/09/2013 06:43 AM, Mitja Mihelič wrote: Hi! We are having problems with some our 389-DS instances. They c

Re: Why once 'umlaut+black rectangle' and once '?+?'

2013-07-15 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 15 July 2013, Alexander Volovics sent: > Why does the "unicode bug" get expressed in 2 different ways > on 2 different laptops: > > On a Dell Inspiron laptop as: "Schr?dinger?s Cat" (?+?) > On a Lenovo Thinkpad as: "Schrödinger▊s Cat" (umlaut + black > rectangle) Different

ZoneMinder and ffmpeg

2013-07-15 Thread Fernando Lozano
Hi there, I have a desktop machine running Fedora 17 and a DVR card connected to six surveilance cameras, managed by ZoneMinder. I use the package from Fedora Project, it works veru well, but I miss the ability to store videos envoded as mpeg or some other format that uses less disk space. Be

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Les Howell
On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 10:47 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 06:27 +0200, lee wrote: > > You need to realise that native speakers of English have a tendency to > > be overly polite and to expect others to be just as overly polite as > > they are, in ways non-native speakers

Fedup fails fc17->fc18 on encrypted partition

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
I tried to upgrade a system to fc18 using fedup. The root is encrypted. I first updated fc17 to the latest packages and rebooted, then run fedup using a locally mounted ISO image and "--network 18" which ran to uneventful conclusion. On reboot the password was supplied and the system ran for abo

Re: ZoneMinder and ffmpeg

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Fernando Lozano wrote: Hi there, I have a desktop machine running Fedora 17 and a DVR card connected to six surveilance cameras, managed by ZoneMinder. I use the package from Fedora Project, it works veru well, but I miss the ability to store videos envoded as mpeg or some other format that uses

Re: Fedup fails fc17->fc18 on encrypted partition

2013-07-15 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Did you try using yum? I have always been successful with it (you may need to remove obsolete packages or ones that generate complaints, temporarily). I have never been successful with fedup (including F18->F19 in the only instance I tried in the 18 to 19 case -- everything went through w/o complai

Latest fc17 kernel 3.9.8-100 unstable as VM host

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Unless there is interest in this I won't bother with a BUG, it will be ignored as EOL anyway. After running for some short time the system locks up and becomes unresponsive. It looks as if the problem is that bind mounts stop working for some reason, which is all I can see of interest in the log

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-15 Thread Doug
On 7/15/2013 12:57 AM, lee wrote: Richard Vickery writes: If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either. Why not install it and make partitions at a later time? Does the installer support creating a file system direct

Re: install /boot with encrypted partition

2013-07-15 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 07/15/2013 01:13 PM, j.witvl...@mindef.nl wrote: > Are you sure about that? > Afaicr grub2 was supposed to be able to have /boot inside the encrypted area. > (there still remains some unencrypted disk-blocks though) This is the first time I hear that, and I wonder what kind of messy hack that

Evolution has a missing dependency on dconf

2013-07-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
F19 updated. Strange but true: I have a fresh install of the KDE Live spin and added Evolution as my mail client, i.e. yum install evolution. It took a while to notice that many configuration settings weren't being stored from one run to the next. "yum install dconf" fixed the problem. Presumabl

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:55:15PM -0300, Fernando Lozano wrote: > Hi Reindl, > > first: my intention is *not* to start another epic thread > > > > since i am always the unholy prick here after i lose patience > > maybe others should also reconsider *not* hijacking threads by > > Thanks for clarif

Re: Fedup fails fc17->fc18 on encrypted partition

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Ranjan Maitra wrote: Did you try using yum? I have always been successful with it (you may need to remove obsolete packages or ones that generate complaints, temporarily). I have never been successful with fedup (including F18->F19 in the only instance I tried in the 18 to 19 case -- everything w

Re: kernel

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Reindl Harald wrote: Am 14.07.2013 22:59, schrieb Patrick Dupre: After a fresh installation, the updater maintains: kernel and kernel-PAE I guess that I do not need both kernels. How can I manage it? * which Fedora version * which CPU architecture * what says "rpm -qa | grep kernel" i

Re: kernel

2013-07-15 Thread Doug
On 7/15/2013 2:20 PM, Bill Davidsen wrote: Reindl Harald wrote: Am 14.07.2013 22:59, schrieb Patrick Dupre: After a fresh installation, the updater maintains: kernel and kernel-PAE I guess that I do not need both kernels. How can I manage it? If you are seeing a pae kernel, you must hav

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
lee wrote: Reindl Harald writes: Queue your posts before sending them. After reading and/or writing some more posts while going through the list, you may have changed your mind and may be glad you queued what you've been writing. I tried that, and wound up not remembering to post afterword

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Davidsen
Les Howell wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 10:47 +0100, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 06:27 +0200, lee wrote: You need to realise that native speakers of English have a tendency to be overly polite and to expect others to be just as overly polite as they are, in ways non-native

Etiquette In Regard To Long Verbose Off Charter Threads?

2013-07-15 Thread Thomas Dineen
Gentle People: Do we need to consider new policies regarding limits on long verbose off charter threads. Some of you may remember way back when this reflector had a charter regarding something like: "Community Support For Fedora Users" Think about it Thomas Dineen -- users mailing li

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Ralf Corsepius
On 07/15/2013 11:47 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: On Mon, 2013-07-15 at 06:27 +0200, lee wrote: You need to realise that native speakers of English have a tendency to be overly polite and to expect others to be just as overly polite as they are, in ways non-native speakers of English mostly can

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Joe Zeff
On 07/15/2013 12:40 PM, Ralf Corsepius wrote: Just think about what you'd tell me, if I tell you: "You must do it this way" ... You'd likely take it as a rudity. No, at least I wouldn't. Now, I'd probably consider it as rude if you said, "Listen, stupid, this is the way you have to do it." -

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.07.2013 20:10, schrieb Robert Holtzman: > On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 10:55:15PM -0300, Fernando Lozano wrote: >> Hi Reindl, >>> first: my intention is *not* to start another epic thread >>> >>> since i am always the unholy prick here after i lose patience >>> maybe others should also reconside

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-15 Thread Richard Vickery
On Sun, Jul 14, 2013 at 9:57 PM, lee wrote: > Richard Vickery writes: > >>> If I had had disks with data on them when I tried out the installer, I >>> wouldn't have clicked on that Done button, either. >> >> Why not install it and make partitions at a later time? > > Does the installer support cr

Re: Latest fc17 kernel 3.9.8-100 unstable as VM host

2013-07-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.07.2013 18:55, schrieb Bill Davidsen: > Unless there is interest in this I won't bother with a BUG, it will be > ignored as EOL anyway. After running for > some short time the system locks up and becomes unresponsive. It looks as if > the problem is that bind mounts stop > working for some

Re: what has 'yum update' done?

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Frank Murphy writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 00:51:50 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Frank Murphy writes: >> >> > On Sun, 14 Jul 2013 00:51:05 +0200 >> > lee wrote: >> > >> >> make systemd send mails in case a service >> >> couldn't be started or has issues, >> > >> > You can do that yourself currentl

cultural differences affecting communication (Re: Etiquette and changing of threads)

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Les Howell writes: > Culture is absorbed. > [...] > > These frames of reference and culture impact how one perceives what is > said. Much or most of face to face speaking is the unspoken language of > eye contact, facial expression, posture, tone and word choice, written > communication uses pu

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread lee
James Hogarth writes: >> >> Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in >> which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its >> risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future >> cannot be predicted. So how do you make a decisi

Re: problem system multiboot

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Skander Bahloul writes: > But, i can't reboot now because of problem of configuration of grub : Maybe someone can see what the problem is when you post your grub configuration here. -- Fedora release 19 (Schrödinger’s Cat) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or

Re: Schr?dinger?s Cat

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Frank Murphy writes: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013 03:19:40 +0200 > lee wrote: > >> Would it do any harm if I changed /etc/fedora-release to >> "... (Schrödingers Katze)"? >> > > I don't believe so, you may have to tweak bzs' > sent through abrt. Thanks --- I better leave it then, it would be easier t

Re: [GW-C] [ECOTONE] Re: rant of the day: installing fedora

2013-07-15 Thread lee
Doug writes: > Fedora and Korora installers are the same, and, to be honest, they suck! > I don't usually post such language, but in this case it's deserved! That's going a bit far, imho. It is awful when it comes to partitioning and otherwise seems to work fine. I guess the idea was to make i

Re: Cannot login into home directory

2013-07-15 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 07/13/2013 07:11 AM, Paul Smith wrote: > On Sat, Jul 13, 2013 at 1:50 AM, Edward Martinez > wrote: >>> When I login, I get the following problem: >>> >>> -- psmith: /home/psmith: change directory failed: Permission denied >>> >>> I have the follo

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote: Reindl Harald writes: mhh thats why so many companies still using WinXP i guess Maybe there are other reasons for that, like that is isn't upgradable and/or that it is expensive to switch. It's also possible that other software they are using works best wit

Re: Etiquette and changing of threads

2013-07-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: and the next problem that over time it becomes unclear to what people responded - the original thread or subthreads, that feels like if you have a tech meeting with 10 people and then one marketing guy steps in the room and fire his statements Not if t

Re: install /boot with encrypted partition

2013-07-15 Thread Skander Bahloul
Yes, i have changed the grub configuration. The solution is to try to install an other OS to make the good configuration. - Mail original - De: "Roberto Ragusa" À: "Community support for Fedora users" Envoyé: Lundi 15 Juillet 2013 19:15:04 Objet: Re: install /boot with encrypted partiti

Native Nvidia Optimus and Fedora 19

2013-07-15 Thread Powell, Michael
Has anyone tried to get native Optimus running on a Fedora 19 box? When I attempt it, I get a blank black screen. I posted on the Nvidia forums, but no one has replied yet and I'm getting anxious ;-) The general consensus is that the kernel must be 3.9 or higher, and I am running 3.9.9-302. The

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread David
On 7/15/2013 4:42 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, lee wrote: > >> Reindl Harald writes: > >>> mhh thats why so many companies still using WinXP i guess >> >> Maybe there are other reasons for that, like that is isn't upgradable >> and/or that it is expensive to switch. It's a

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread Rick Stevens
On 07/15/2013 11:55 AM, lee issued this missive: James Hogarth writes: Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future cannot be p

Re: Proposal: Fedora should install with IPv6 disabled by default [was: Re: Disabling ipv6]

2013-07-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 14 Jul 2013, Reindl Harald wrote: the problem is that *three* sorts of evangelists hijacked the original thread and changed multiple times the topic If they changed the subject line accordingly, what is the problem? Do you have a mail-reader that does not show subject lines? I've had

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, David wrote: On 7/15/2013 4:42 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: Is there a particular use case in which it is obvious that it is good to use RHEL? You are aware the Red Hat and CentOS are made from Fedora? 'Tis why I asked. -- Michael henne...@web.cs.ndsu.nodak.edu "AN

Re: Crossword printing problem -

2013-07-15 Thread poma
On 15.07.2013 01:40, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 14/07/13 18:28, Ed Greshko wrote: >> On 07/15/13 05:58, Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: >>> I print crossword puzzles from Firefox. A couple of them require >>> "Shockwave Flash" which works to display them but they will no

Re: Crossword printing problem -

2013-07-15 Thread Bob Goodwin ~ Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 15/07/13 18:09, poma wrote: > Yes, I didn't think it mattered but perhaps someone might want to look > for the problem, here are the three I was trying. > >http://www.uclick.com/client/orf/fcx/ >http://puzzles.usatoday.com/ >http://games.washingtonpost.com/games/sunday-crossword/ WP - SeaMonk

Re: Why should one upgrade Fedora whenever a new version is released?

2013-07-15 Thread Bill Oliver
On Mon, 15 Jul 2013, Michael Hennebry wrote: [snip] Unless I missed it, nobody has described a particular use case yet in which it is obvious that it is good to use CentOS. Upgrading holds its risks as well as using software that cannot be upgraded. The future cannot be predicted. So how d

Transmission daemon not starting in Fedora 19

2013-07-15 Thread Suvayu Ali
Hi, I'm having trouble starting transmission-daemon. When I try to start it with systemctl, it hangs: # systemctl start transmission-daemon.service If I let it be for a few minutes (~5), it finishes with a failure. The log is extremely unhelpful. This is very strange because it was working

Re: Transmission daemon not starting in Fedora 19

2013-07-15 Thread Ed Greshko
On 07/16/13 07:25, Suvayu Ali wrote: > Hi, > > I'm having trouble starting transmission-daemon. When I try to start it > with systemctl, it hangs: > > # systemctl start transmission-daemon.service > > If I let it be for a few minutes (~5), it finishes with a failure. The > log is extremely unhe