Am 23.03.2012 03:36, schrieb Craig White:
> The move to grub2 & systemd/systemctl really has nothing to do with the
> user command line interface which you should already understand since
> you said you understand the motivations.
right - and that is why hey need not to be hanged in the
first f
Joe Zeff wrote:
>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
>
> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
>
> systemctl start openvpn.service
>
> will start it running and
>
> systemctl enabl
On 03/23/2012 05:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
>>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
>> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
>>
>> systemctl start openvpn.service
>
Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such
> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service'
> for details.
> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo sys
Craig White wrote:
> The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> commands can be handled via 'system-config'services'
That sounds ab
On 03/23/2012 05:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Joe Zeff wrote:
>
>>> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
>>> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
>> I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
>>
>> systemctl start openvpn.service
>
> The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> commands can be handled via 'system-config'services'
Thats one of the diseases Fedora s
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On 03/22/2012 10:30 PM, Frantisek Hanzlik wrote:
> Bryn, thanks for info. http://www.freedesktop.org/ seems totally
> inaccessible yet, what is suspicious too. I will waiting when this
> site will be up.
It's working fine here (I get the redirect to
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On 03/23/2012 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> "systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared with "service
> httpd restart" - a msart developer would have made .service as
> default-fallback and only "httpd.socket" as example would need full
> q
Am 23.03.2012 11:52, schrieb Bryn M. Reeves:
> On 03/23/2012 07:38 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> "systemctl restart httpd.service" is a joke compared with "service
>> httpd restart" - a msart developer would have made .service as
>> default-fallback and only "httpd.socket" as example would need ful
On 03/22/2012 04:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/22/2012 01:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
I'm not that fond of systemctl, but I can help with this:
systemctl enable openvpn
How they were started does not seem to have much to do with chkconfig.
The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init scripts
to judge which services were to be started in which sequence, which was
a horrible mess.
You had to make sure the service X's priority of 37 was in b
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 10:39 +0100, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Craig White wrote:
>
> > The goal is that the typical user would never actually interact with
> > grub (grub2) or systemctl from the command line at all. Grub
> > manipulations occurring when kernels are installed or removed, systemctl
> >
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:17 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> On 03/22/2012 04:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 03/22/2012 01:26 PM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> >> Incidentally, none of the systemctl advocates has answered my query:
> >> How do I say "chkconfig openvpn on" in systemctl-speak?
> >
>
On 03/23/2012 08:32 AM, Craig White wrote:
As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for
openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration
file - you have to make a manual link, or use some other odd syntax.
This is definitely a weird quirk that is not h
Am 23.03.2012 13:58, schrieb Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak:
> On 03/23/2012 08:32 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> As TM has been told elsewhere in this thread, this doesn't work for
>>> openvpn, because of its need for a pointer to a specific configuration
>>> file - you have to make a manual link, or use
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:25 -0400, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> The init system used a series of hard-coded numbers in the init
> scripts to judge which services were to be started in which sequence,
> which was a horrible mess.
Yet, worked well.
> You had to make sure the service X's priori
Am 23.03.2012 14:49, schrieb Tim:
> But much less precise. It's all very well to say "this," "that," and
> "the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set. But if
> you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by
> "that," followed by "the other," in that pre
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 4:04 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Pasha R wrote:
>>
>> Are there any additional options I missed?
>
>
> You need to use mock if you want to do this.
>
> mock -r fedora-16-i386 wine.src.rpm
>
> Give it a long time. You'll eventually get your RPMs out.
>
Thanks. That work
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Fedora User wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 13:37:19 +0200
> Pasha R wrote:
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm trying to compile latest wine rpm on my F14 64-bit system.
>
> Do you mind if I ask why? The 64-bit package works perfectly for things
> like TweetDeck and Picassa.
Latest
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was
introduced. Please advise or help.
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Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers
> downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
> until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.
in other words this happens since update to kernel 3.3
well, i g
On 03/22/2012 10:47 AM, Mike Mercier wrote:
Hi,
Sorry for the delay...
/var/log/dirsrv/admin-serv/access
127.0.0.1 - cn=Directory Manager [22/Mar/2012:12:43:32 -0400] "GET
/admin-serv/authenticate HTTP/1.0" 401 478
/var/log/dirsrv/admin-serv/error
[Thu Mar 22 12:43:26 2012] [notice] caught SI
On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers
downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
until the latest kernel was introduced. Please advise or help.
in other words this h
On 03/23/2012 01:26 AM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
There is way less wonky bash scripting in the new service file, because
it is mostly declarations, rather than code. As an added bonus, the old
postgrey init script never worked properly for me (it did not kill
cleanly, no idea why), but th
I believe there is something wrong with the nvidia-installer and I don't
know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. Will someone advise.
There is a patch out there but I don't know how to install it or where
to install it. Please help.
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On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:
>
>
> On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >
> > Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
> > > I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers
> > > downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem
> >
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 09:24:28 -0600
Lawrence Graves wrote:
> I believe there is something wrong with the nvidia-installer and I
> don't know where to begin to troubleshoot this problem. Will someone
> advise. There is a patch out there but I don't know how to install it
> or where to install it. P
On 03/23/2012 08:31 AM, John Horne wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:
On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers
downloaded from nvidia.com.
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:33:35 +0200
Pasha R wrote:
> >
> > Do you mind if I ask why? The 64-bit package works perfectly for
> > things like TweetDeck and Picassa.
>
> Latest 64-bit wine packages require their 32-bit counterparts to be
> installed, too.
They don't take up much space; They don't c
Lawrence Graves wrote:
I agree, I believe it is time for me to scrap my Dell 9400 Inspiron with
its FX2500m
The FX series chips are not supported by the 295.33 driver. You have to
use the legacy driver, which has not been updated for kernel 3.3 AFAIK.
I'm using the 295.33 driver with my 9000
On 03/23/2012 09:40 AM, John Wendel wrote:
On 03/23/2012 08:31 AM, John Horne wrote:
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 08:47 -0600, Lawrence Graves wrote:
On 03/23/2012 08:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806091
Anyone have any ideas what I can do to debug/correct/workaround this?
Thanks!
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Thanks for the reply David.
>> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub, etc?
You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server for
each
system by logging into the LDAP console under
"Configuration->Replication". The role is either "Single Mast
Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
>> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such
>> file or directory. See system logs and 'systemctl status openvpn.service'
>> for details.
>> [
On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.
Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not all
Fedora users run Gnome, you know.
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On 23/03/12 17:37, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.
Assuming, of course, that your DE has something like that. Not all
Fedora users run Gnome,
On 03/23/2012 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
get rid of nvidia graphics
Sure; glad to, provided that you're going to buy me the new card. It's
always easy, isn't it, to throw somebody else's money at a problem.
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On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, stan wrote:
>
> > Perhaps Grub2 is using it somehow? These suggestions are longshots.
>
> grub2 is not installed on my machine.
> If it's packaged with the install kernel,
> then I would expecct them to be
Am 23.03.2012 18:42, schrieb Frank Murphy:
> On 23/03/12 17:37, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> On 03/23/2012 05:27 AM, Craig White wrote:
>>> no - if command line syntax/invocations are challenging, you can do this
>>> rather simply via the 'system-config-services' gui.
>>
>> Assuming, of course, that your D
On 03/23/2012 11:09 AM, Herb Burnswell wrote:
Thanks for the reply David.
>> 1. How can I find out which system(s) is/are master, consumer, hub,
etc?
You should be able to determine the role of the Directory Server
for each
system by logging into the LDAP console under
"Configurat
Am 23.03.2012 18:36, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 23.03.2012 10:26, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
>>> [tim@blanche ~]$ sudo systemctl start openvpn.service
>>> Failed to issue method call: Unit openvpn.service failed to load: No such
>>> file or directory. See system logs and 's
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 08:40:26 -0600
Lawrence Graves wrote:
> I don't know what happened but I am now unable to install nvidia drivers
> downloaded from nvidia.com. Had no problem until the latest kernel was
> introduced. Please advise or help.
You need to ask Nvidia, it's their driver and only
Michael,
Your responses have me more and more confused as to exactly
what you are trying to do:
>My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation disk.
>I copied FC13's vmlinuz to a hard drive and
>tried again with the grub command line.
>I have F14 installed, but F13 is the most recent DVD I
Reindl Harald wrote:
> most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE
> so what.
Presumably you are talking about Fedora, since you are contributing
to a Fedora newsgroup.
I would have thought an overwhelming majority of Fedora users
are running services, and also have a DE
Hello,
How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the
timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is,
What mean each value?
Thanks in advance,
Lázaro.
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2012/3/23 Lázaro Morales :
> Hello,
>
> How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the
> timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is, What
> mean each value?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Lázaro.
>
> Este mensaje
Am 23.03.2012 21:49, schrieb Timothy Murphy:
> Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> most machines where systemctl is relevant do not evem have any DE
>> so what.
>
> Presumably you are talking about Fedora, since you are contributing
> to a Fedora newsgroup.
> I would have thought an overwhelming majo
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 22:23:54 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry wrote:
On Thu, 22 Mar 2012, stan wrote:
>> I have noticed that all my kernels end in .PAE .
>> Could that be significant?
Oops. I should have written .PAE.img
Kernels don't end in .img, that's the
Reindl, the solution to Linux problems should not including spending a lot
of money on new hardware. No wonder Linux is not the leading desktop OS.
{o.o}
On 2012/03/23 07:43, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 15:40, schrieb Lawrence Graves:
I don't know what happened but I am now unable to
who cares the leading desktop OS
i PRAY it will never be, there were made way too
much mistakes to satisfy user who are not willing
to learn and think what they are doing
if you buy hardware which is not supported by your
OS who the hell is resposible for your mistakes?
"a lot of money" is laugh
On 2012/03/23 10:08, Ian Pilcher wrote:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=806091
Anyone have any ideas what I can do to debug/correct/workaround this?
Thanks!
Um, have you looked at what happens if you bring the mouse to the edges
of the screen? It looks like X did not recognize yo
When you are on social security with "unpopular" or "orphan" disabilities and
a mortgage to meet even $25 is a big lump to have to pay. You're presuming
too much of your peers here.
Help is getting something working not telling somebody to throw it all away
and start over unless that really is th
I really hate it when the assumption that I
am stupid gets in the way of communication.
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:
Michael,
Your responses have me more and more confused as to exactly
what you are trying to do:
Install F16.
My machine can still boot from my FC13 installation
On 3/21/2012 9:59 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
On 3/21/2012 4:58 AM, Tim wrote:
If a power supply is sagging, other things may have started working,
*then* a drive may try starting up, afterwards. This changes the load
on the power supply, and the output from a failing power supply may drop
(vo
the other OSs just work?
who told you?
they only do because the manufactoror put a driver
CD in the package or the OS is preinstalled
install windows without additional drivers on
a brand new Sandy Brdige machine and i bet half of
the hardware will not work - install linux and ALL
hardware is wor
On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card
When you're barely making enough money to pay the bills and put food on
the table, any money spent on a new graphics card is too much. I know;
I've been there more than once over the las
Am 23.03.2012 23:26, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> "a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
>> a graphics card
>
> most of us on this list are running Fedora strictly on our home machines,
> not in a production environment the way you do, and that means
On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
the other OSs just work?
who told you?
My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not
Fedora. Every time she reboots after a kernel update, she's prompted by
the Package Updater to re-install the binary blob. She clicks OK, it
>> Note:" without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the
>> iso
>> Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader"
>It assumes that I have grub2. I don't.
>That is why I didn't use it.
I think you are wrong here;
the F16 is first to use grub2, yes.
But the f16 doc says to us
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote:
> > I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware. I doubt either the kernel
> > developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you
> > could be hitting a regression that wasn't caugh
On 03/23/2012 03:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
don't get me wrong but if someones life depends on the money
a working graphis card these days will cost he has enough
other problems than a computer and solve them first
And sometimes, keeping an older computer limping along until you have
the mone
On 03/23/2012 03:42 PM, jackson byers wrote:
I think you are wrong here;
the F16 is first to use grub2, yes.
But the f16 doc says to use your*existing* GRUB boot loader,
which for your F14 is your legacy GRUB.
If you upgrade to F16, you'll have grub2 installed, but you'll still be
using le
Am 23.03.2012 23:42, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> the other OSs just work?
>> who told you?
>
> My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora.
> Every time she reboots after a kernel
> update, she's prompted by the Package Updat
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, jackson byers wrote:
Note:" without making any additional physical media", i.e, no DVD, just the iso
Note: "use your existing GRUB boot loader"
It assumes that I have grub2. I don't.
That is why I didn't use it.
I think you are wrong here;
the F16 is first to use gru
On 03/23/2012 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
if people do not buy crap needing
closed surce drivers they would too have no problems
Unless I miss my guess, the main reason people are using older hardware
is because they've been using it for years and aren't in a position to
upgrade. There's
On 03/23/2012 05:06 PM, jdow wrote:
> Um, have you looked at what happens if you bring the mouse to the edges
> of the screen? It looks like X did not recognize your screen and stuffed
> your specified 1920 size screen into a 1600 or smaller size screen which
> scrolls around as you move your mous
On 03/23/2012 05:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/23/2012 03:58 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
if people do not buy crap needing
closed surce drivers they would too have no problems
Unless I miss my guess, the main reason people are using older
hardware is because they've been using it for years and
The drivers generally exist for MacOS and Windows. So installation is no big
sweat and avoids esoterica such as trying to figure out how to use a mother-
board raid 5 configuration under Linux. (I've done it. It took a lot of
reading and a basic understanding of RAID. For Windows - it just works i
On 2012/03/23 15:30, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 23.03.2012 23:26, schrieb Joe Zeff:
On 03/23/2012 02:54 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
"a lot of money" is laughable speaking about
a graphics card
most of us on this list are running Fedora strictly on our home machines,
not in a production environmen
On 2012/03/23 15:42, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 03/23/2012 03:25 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
the other OSs just work?
who told you?
My sister's computer has an nVidia card, but she uses Ubuntu, not Fedora. Every
time she reboots after a kernel update, she's prompted by the Package Updater to
re-install t
On Fri, 2012-03-23 at 16:45 -0400, Lázaro Morales wrote:
> Hello,
>
> How after a fresh install of Fedora (without UI) it can be changed the
> timezone configuration? Is the file `/etc/adjtime` the correct? If is,
> What mean each value?
>
> Thanks in advance,
> Lázaro.
>
> Este mensaje de
Am 24.03.2012 00:32, schrieb jdow:
> The drivers generally exist for MacOS and Windows. So installation is no big
> sweat and avoids esoterica such as trying to figure out how to use a mother-
> board raid 5 configuration under Linux.
why are you doing things permanently wrong instead read manua
On Thu, Mar 22, 2012 at 10:04 AM, Timothy Murphy wrote:
> Chris Rouch wrote:
>
>> I'd agree that the systemctl syntax is clumsier. But on my machines,
>> the boot time has reduced dramatically.
>
> I agree that boot time seems to have been reduced,
> at a guess about 15% in my case.
> However, I h
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 16:30:19 -0500 (CDT)
Michael Hennebry wrote:
> On Fri, 23 Mar 2012, stan wrote:
> > I think pentium 4 is fairly old hardware. I doubt either the kernel
> > developers or Fedora developers are using such hardware, and so you
> > could be hitting a regression that wasn't caugh
On Sat, 2012-03-24 at 00:19 +1030, Tim wrote:
> But much less precise. It's all very well to say "this," "that," and
> "the other," need to start after "this thing," is easier to set. But
> if you definitely need "this thing," followed by, "this," followed by
> "that," followed by "the other," in
I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My
goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE.
If I run KDE the sound works. If I run twm or equivalent, it does not.
Why is the sound configuration buried in the window manager? What do I
have to do to implement the same
On Fri, 23 Mar 2012 18:05:26 -0700
don fisher wrote:
> I am trying to find documentation on the alsa/pulse audio system. My
> goal is to set it up independent of gnome or KDE.
This is the default configuration for Fedora out of the box.
> If I run KDE the sound works. If I run twm or equivale
Hello,
I cannot install any extensions which work.
I did what it is said in
https://github.com/ojo/gnome-shell-extension-cpufreq
but, no extension appear in gnome-tweak-tool
in fact I get:
(I also tried:
sed -i 's/THEME_EXT_NAME =
"user-th...@gnome-shell-extensions.gnome.org"/THEME_EXT_NAM
On 20.03.2012 20:30, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 03:12:37 +0200
Alek Paunov wrote:
Which is the proper way to vote and describe potential benefits of a
new package, with candidate maintainer who needs sponsorship.
Voting for what?
For the package. As a Fedora user (not a package
Hello:
I am noticing that when I install a printer on my local network, I get
an entry added to iptables to the effect of:
+++
-A INPUT -m state --state NEW -m udp -p udp --dprot 631 -j ACCEPT
+++
It actually shows up multiple times, which makes it look like each time
I reinstalled the printe
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