On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
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> Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini:
> > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 +
> > Frank Murphy wrote:
> >
> >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ)
> >> Let's see the rant's now.
> >
> > A. Because people read from top to bo
Community:
I am trying to run gdb on a program that is crashing and I am getting
messages of:
+++
Missing separate debuginfos, use debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64
libgcc-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64 libg++-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64
libstdc++-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64
---
Googling is not giving me anything that I eithe
On 27 November 2011 23:24, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
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> On 11/27/2011 05:13 PM, Tim wrote:
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>> And then there's the point of view that it's a community
>> project, and this is the forum for that community, and
>> *significant* numbers of this c
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:12:14 -0800
les wrote:
I love this mlist more and more!
all started with Fedora - time to blink and now we are behind this "querelle"
that is older than internet ;)
you are amazing, guys :)
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On 28/11/11 02:41, Genes MailLists wrote:
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> Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not
> sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not
> as great as may appear sometimes
How would enterprise users find Gnome?
Will sales of screen-cleaner so
On 28/11/11 08:16, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Community:
>
> I am trying to run gdb on a program that is crashing and I am getting
> messages of:
> +++
> Missing separate debuginfos, use debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64
> libgcc-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64 libg++-4.5.1.fc14.x86_64
> libstdc++-4.5.1.fc14.x86
On 11/28/2011 12:46 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
>
> It's telling you to install the debug pkgs,
> which are not already installed.
> as the line says use "debug-install glibc-2.13.2.x86_64 etc..
>
Frank:
Thanks for the reply. That is what I thought as well, but I couldn't see
anything with yum -list.
On 28/11/11 08:50, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> I don't have my F14 box online at the moment (I was thinking bed was the
> best immediate solution to the problem), but if you can confirm what I
> need to tell yum, I will fire the puppy up and test
>
> Paul
at the prompt
~$ debuginfo-install pkgnam
On 11/28/2011 1:09 AM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> at the prompt
> ~$ debuginfo-install pkgname
>
> Aside: With F14 eol in 2 weeks is it worth it?
> Maybe see if F15 has the same crash?
>
Frank:
Well, since I was looking for debuginfo-install as something yum would
list, I would have never gotten close
On 2011-11-28 11:10, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
> Date: Mon, 28 Nov 2011 01:09:49 +0100
> From: suvayu ali
> Subject: Re: Fedora - time to blink
> To: Community support for Fedora users
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> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011
Tim yahoo.com.au> writes:
>
> On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 22:24 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> > User interface research is what I suggested. Not surveys. I don't
> > really think this list is a reasonable sample. Mailing list tends to
> > attract a specific type of audience. You have to be knowle
Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les:
> On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally
>> because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation
>> and with the top-posting you need not to scroll and see the whole
>> answ
Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same post
it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information
Roger
in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally
because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation
and with the top-posting y
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote:
> Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same
> post
> it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information
It gets even more boring when posters can't be bothered to trim the
stuff they're quoting. If quotes w
Am 28.11.2011 12:47, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan:
> 1) Business mail top-posts and quotes everything because that's the way
> Outlook works and to a significant percentage of business users
> "Outlook"and "Email" are synonyms. The single advantage to doing it this
> way is that you can shovel over
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 17:24 -0600, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote:
> Very childish.
That was the point. I am mocking the behaviour of the deniers, which
has been far from satisfactory.
> If you want it to change, you have to say more then "it sucks".
People HAVE been doing that. But keep getting sh
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 09:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> I was talking about GNOME doing research. Not Fedora and developers
> can be influenced as has been shown repeatedly when such results were
> published in the past
And the response will be; these aren't the results that we want to hear.
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote:
> Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same
> post it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same
> information
> Roger
That's why you edit. Whatever posting style you use, you need to edit.
You can't keep every si
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 23:57 +, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> I don't want to advertize KDE too much, but there are also XFCE and
> LXDE which are gaining popularity as drop-in replacements for the old
> Gnome2. Why wouldn't XFCE be the default DE for the distro for a
> while? Or the default DE choic
Sorry POC for inserting here.
I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
recurring themes.
A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop since the introduction of KDE 4.
B. Licensing in Fedora. Or: Why c
On 11/28/2011 07:30 AM, Alan Cox wrote:
> The other interesting data set is the rise of Linux Mint, although
> personally I'm very dubious about tying that to their Gnome 3 "fixed up"
> mode - which is anyway something Fedora could now equally package.
Mint seems to produce very polished, well in
On Monday 28 November 2011 20:03:02 Ed Greshko wrote:
> Sorry POC for inserting here.
>
> I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
> resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
> recurring themes.
>
>
>
> A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop
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I decided to try out virtualization in Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2 on my laptop.
To begin I chose a small distro 'Crunchbang-10 64bits, based on Debian
Live with the Openbox WM.
No problems with the install.
But the result is not comfortable because the laptop screen is 1600x900
and the virt manager scre
"T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
>
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM, David Highley
> wrote:
> > We are trying to create an rsyncd.service with fedora 16. We can get the
> > process to start but it acts like it never opens the socket and exits a
> > short time later. The two files we have are below.
>
On 11/28/2011 03:06 PM, Alexander Volovics wrote:
> I decided to try out virtualization in Fed 16 + Gnome 3.2 on my laptop.
>
> To begin I chose a small distro 'Crunchbang-10 64bits, based on Debian
> Live with the Openbox WM.
>
> No problems with the install.
> But the result is not comfortable
On 27/11/11 18:13, Tim wrote:
> On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 11:26 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
>> Yes, I now understand what they are. I suspect that Apple has
>> sold her on a software system that doesn't fit her needs. If I
>> understand what she is telling me her data is stored in a
>> "cloud" server som
"David Highley wrote:"
>
> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
> >
> > On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM, David Highley
> > wrote:
> > > We are trying to create an rsyncd.service with fedora 16. We can get the
> > > process to start but it acts like it never opens the socket and exits a
> > > short time l
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 28/11/11 02:41, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> >
> > Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not
> > sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not
> > as great as may appear sometimes
>
>
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 4:43 PM, Frank Murphy wrote:
> On 28/11/11 02:41, Genes MailLists wrote:
>
> >
> > Be aware that a significant number of gnome devs are @ RH ... not
> > sure what the politics is but the gap between upstream and fedora is not
> > as great as may appear sometimes
>
>
> Sorry POC for inserting here.
>
> I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
> resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
> recurring themes.
I realize nothing can be done about the meta "Guidelines" thrash, but you
know, some would say that if s
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:29 AM, David Highley
wrote:
> Did a disable on service. Made the changes. Reloaded systemd. Re-enabled.
> service. Now when attempt to start:
> systemctl start rsyncd@.service
> Failed to issue method call: Unit name rsyncd@.service is not valid.
You can't start rsyncd t
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 7:29 AM, David Highley
wrote:
> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 8:35 PM, David Highley
>> wrote:
>> > [Unit]
>> > Description=rsyncd Rsync Daemon
>> > After=syslog.target network.target
>> > DefaultDependencies=no
>>
>> Why are you overriding default
Just correcting the typo in the subject line
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On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, David Highley
wrote:
> "David Highley wrote:"
>> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
>> > For more information on converting inetd services to systemd units, see:
>> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/inetd.html
>
> It appears that this example maybe out of date. Looks lik
"T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, David Highley
> wrote:
> > "David Highley wrote:"
> >> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
> >> > For more information on converting inetd services to systemd units, see:
> >> > http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/inetd.html
> >
> > It appears
"David Highley wrote:"
>
> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
> >
> > On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 9:02 AM, David Highley
> > wrote:
> > > "David Highley wrote:"
> > >> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
> > >> > For more information on converting inetd services to systemd units,
> > >> > see:
> > >> > http://0po
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 20:41, Thomas Cameron
wrote:
> I am wondering, since my motherboard has a four PCI Express x1 ports and
> I see PCI Express x1 video cards for decent prices, if I can either
> replace my single card with two identical two-port X1 cards, or just add
> a single X1 video card
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:42 AM, David Highley
wrote:
> "David Highley wrote:"
>> Looked at the openvpn@.service script and see the type=forking
>> statement. We added this but with the above issue not able to tell if it
>> helped. The document on systemd.exec still leaves us wondering where and
On 11/28/2011 05:28 PM, Tim wrote:
> On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 09:31 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> I was talking about GNOME doing research. Not Fedora and developers
>> can be influenced as has been shown repeatedly when such results were
>> published in the past
>
> And the response will be; thes
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 1:41 PM, Thomas Cameron
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> I have Gigabyte EP43-UD3L motherboard with a single PCI Express 2.0 x16
> slot. It currently has a decent NVidia card - a GeForce 7300 GT. I've
> got two monitors attached,
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 10:32 -0500, Bob Goodwin wrote:
> I haven't heard mention of data transfer via the mobile
> phone system but it is killing me on my limited ISP
> bandwidth. About ten gigs in the last few days, perhaps a
> week, and I only have 1
On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
> The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D
Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still
works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law.
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On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:51 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 20:41, Thomas Cameron
> wrote:
>> I am wondering, since my motherboard has a four PCI Express x1 ports and
>> I see PCI Express x1 video cards for decent prices, if I can either
>> replace my single card with two identical
On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 11:41 AM, Thomas Cameron
wrote:
> I'd *really* love to do triple head - the monitor in front of me for my
> main work, and the two side screens for supporting stuff.
>
> I am wondering, since my motherboard has a four PCI Express x1 ports and
> I see PCI Express x1 video c
On 11/28/2011 01:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote:
>> The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D
> Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still
> works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law
Well, I'm su
Hi,
I have a workstation with Fedora 16 using NetworkManager getting a
static IP address via DHCP from a central DHCP server. I have a couple
of VMs on that workstation that use a routed network device in libvirt
that I would also like to acquire their IP address from the central DHCP
server.
On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
> Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers
> attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist.
Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the
slightest idea what it means.
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"T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 10:42 AM, David Highley
> wrote:
> > "David Highley wrote:"
> >> Looked at the openvpn@.service script and see the type=forking
> >> statement. We added this but with the above issue not able to tell if it
> >> helped. The document on system
Hi Don,
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 19:54, Don Krause wrote:
> Uhh, no, SLI has little to nothing to do with multiple monitor support..
>
> We do 3 monitor systems, using 2 dual DVI Nvidia cards with the proprietary
> driver for a medical device, works fine.
>
I don't quite understand how one can h
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=648732
Based on this bug report, is there a fix for this problem. I am unable
to install my nvidia drivers because of this bug. I don't understand it
at all. Every time I installed the drivers and reboot this is the
results. I don't know why these two
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
> Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les:
> > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> >> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally
> >> because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation
> >> and wi
Hi,
On Gnome 3.2 in Fedora 16 I get a notification when logging in for any
CDs that are in the CD/DVD drives (there are two on this machine). Is
this normal or expected behaviour?
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On 28-11-11 21:28, Ian Malone wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Gnome 3.2 in Fedora 16 I get a notification when logging in for any
> CDs that are in the CD/DVD drives (there are two on this machine). Is
> this normal or expected behaviour?
Afaik yes. You can change behavior in System Settings -> Removable Medi
On Nov 28, 2011, at 12:08 PM, suvayu ali wrote:
> Hi Don,
>
> On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 19:54, Don Krause wrote:
>> Uhh, no, SLI has little to nothing to do with multiple monitor support..
>>
>> We do 3 monitor systems, using 2 dual DVI Nvidia cards with the proprietary
>> driver for a medical
On 11/29/2011 12:35 AM, Matt Rose wrote:
>> Sorry POC for inserting here.
>>
>> I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and
>> resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often
>> recurring themes.
> I realize nothing can be done about the meta "Guidelines"
RHEL/CentOS/SL are good for "install-and-forget" operation; they are not good
for "stay-current-and-reasonably-stable" operation mainly due to too old
kernel, but also for some users due to too old apps.
I think you have this bass-ackwards. Install and forget would seem to
include reasonably s
On 28 November 2011 20:52, Patrick Lists wrote:
> On 28-11-11 21:28, Ian Malone wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Gnome 3.2 in Fedora 16 I get a notification when logging in for any
>> CDs that are in the CD/DVD drives (there are two on this machine). Is
>> this normal or expected behaviour?
>
> Afaik yes. Y
Following on from a yum update, I got :
Cleanup: policycoreutils-2.0.85-28.fc14.x86_6 32/33
Cleanup: liveusb-creator-3.11.4-1.fc14.noarch 33/33
Dependency Installed:
libqzeitgeist.x86_64 0:0.7.0-1.fc14
Updated:
gdb.x86_64 0:7.2-52
On 11/28/2011 01:33 PM, Hugh Caley wrote:
> I think you have this bass-ackwards. Install and forget would seem to
> include reasonably stable, as bug fixes will be created for the version
> for some time.
FWIW, unstable doesn't always mean "doesn't work very well" or "tends to
crash." It can al
On Mon, Nov 28, 2011 at 21:58, Don Krause wrote:
> default screen number: 0
> number of screens: 1
>
> screen #0:
> dimensions: 5760x1200 pixels (1524x318 millimeters)
> resolution: 96x96 dots per inch
> depths (7): 24, 15, 1, 4, 8, 16, 32
>
Thanks a lot Don. I think I'll need t
"David Highley wrote:"
>
> "T.C. Hollingsworth wrote:"
Thanks to T.C. Hollingsworth for helping us implement this service.
Steps to creating an rsyncd service that works with systemd on fedora
16.
Create configuration for rsyncd server.
- mkdir /etc/rsyncd
- touch /etc/rsyncd.motd
- touch /etc/r
Thomas Cameron writes:
> I'd *really* love to do triple head - the monitor in front of me for my
> main work, and the two side screens for supporting stuff.
I have four monitors with Fedora. There are two options...
1. Use 2 or more standard nvidia cards (or any card, really) and use
Xinera
On 11/28/2011 02:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote:
>> Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers
>> attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist.
> Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the
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On 11/28/2011 12:54 PM, Don Krause wrote:
>
> On Nov 28, 2011, at 9:51 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
>
>> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 20:41, Thomas Cameron
>> wrote:
>>> I am wondering, since my motherboard has a four PCI Express x1 ports and
>>> I see PCI Expr
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On 11/28/2011 11:51 AM, suvayu ali wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 20:41, Thomas Cameron
> wrote:
>> I am wondering, since my motherboard has a four PCI Express x1 ports and
>> I see PCI Express x1 video cards for decent prices, if I can either
>> re
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 14:23 -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> FWIW, unstable doesn't always mean "doesn't work very well" or "tends
> to crash." It can also mean "constantly getting updated" as compared
> to "stays exactly the same for long periods."
There's a couple of commonly used definitions of "stabl
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