Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:50 AM, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 00:28 -0400, D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. wrote: >> You might just completely remove Xorg and then completely reinstall it >> to fix your xorg.conf issue. > > What xorg.conf issue?  The *way* Fedora/X Org works now is you DON"

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:57 AM, John Aldrich wrote: > Quoting "D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr." : > >> You might just completely remove Xorg and then completely reinstall it >> to fix your xorg.conf issue. >> > So you think I ought to try "yum remove Xorg" and let it go? Will that > mess up any of my pers

Re: What was gqview renamed to ?

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Andras Simon wrote: > >              You can force searching everything by specifying  "all"  as  the >              first argument. > I didn't know that! Thanks a lot. :) -- Suvayu Open source is the future. It sets us free. -- users mailing list users@lists.

Re: Booting a live ISO without mounting the hard drive ?

To make hard disk maintenance operations I prefer using Knoppix or Slax distros. I found them lighter and easier to use. emiliollbb -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 00:26 -0400, John Aldrich wrote: > If I have an xorg.conf file it REALLY hoses the system and I don't get > ANY graphics whatsoever and I have to rely on SSH-ing into the box to > init 3, delete the xorg.conf and restart x, at which time it's > somewhat normal. Usually, you

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

Tim: >> Well, in the case of MAC filtering, it's nothing to do with >> "security." It's merely closing an unlocked door in someone's face. Alan Cox > No.. security is not a boolean. MAC filtering is very useful for > stopping inadvertent plugging in of the wrong system. It helps prevent > accident

Re: Disable yum update check for PackageKit

On 15 October 2011 17:51, Ardhan Madras wrote: > Sorry, It's actually the router that has CDMA connection. > My FC15 box connected and using it as gateway. The router > connection got slw when PackageKit was running in the FC15. Right, so PackageKit thinks you've got a high speed LAN connecti

Re: imac on lan, printing to f14: network host '192.168.2.8' is busy, will retry in 30 seconds

It sounds like port 631 is closed in Fedora Firewall. Did you check that? You should see cups admin page at http:\\your-fedora-ip:631 emiliollbb On 10/14/11, jackson byers wrote: > I recently got help from this list and was able to print from imac on my lan > to an hp printer connected to my f1

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

O> > It's not a tool to prevent deliberate attack by users, and its not > > 100% effective against a very careful attacker but tht doesn't make it > > nothing to do with security. > > I'd say the fact that it *cannot* be used to "secure" a system, means > that it does have nothing to do with secur

Turning Off GNOME Warnings

GNOME seems to think that my laptop has a dodgy hard disk. It's been telling me that for over a year. I'm not sure that it's correct, but I'm keeping a close eye on the situation anyway. Under GNOME 2 I would get a notification of this problem each time I restarted the computer. A pop-up would tel

Re: Turning Off GNOME Warnings

On Mon, 17 Oct 2011 11:22:27 +0100 Dave Cross wrote: > GNOME seems to think that my laptop has a dodgy hard disk. It's been > telling me that for over a year. I'm not sure that it's correct Red Hat seems to like to ship tools with the slightly questionable view that a disk reporting plenty of ba

Re: Turning Off GNOME Warnings

On 17 October 2011 11:22, Dave Cross wrote: > Under GNOME 3 this notification is rather more persistent. GNOME > insists on repeating the pop-up every twenty minutes or so. This isn't > realyl very helpful. Run palimpset, click the disk, click "SMART data", then tick "Don't warn me if the disk is

System-wide profiles don't seem to find debug information since Fedora 15

Hi, I have been using Sysprof for quite some time, but with Fedora 15 it stopped working properly. Where it presented pretty stack-traces including timings in Fedora 14 when debuginfo-packages where installed, it just presents very cryptic and less informative information since F15 - usually this

Re: Fedora 15 + scsi tape drive

On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 20:15 -0500, Chris Adams wrote: > The problem with enumerating devices by HBA/bus/ID/LUN is that today's > storage is more dynamic. USB ports are "SCSI" (protocol); how do you > number those? IIRC USB ports on a hub are not deterministically > ordered, so a flash card reader

Re: Fedora 15 + scsi tape drive

> And I would have left IDE style devices as hd, SCSI as sd, SATA as sa, > and so on, and so forth... Except you often can't tell the difference. Not all hardware exposes the connection interface, and then you have things like SATA devices in USB boxes - so which of your naming is those. Instead

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon October 17 2011, Mike Chambers wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 00:28 -0400, D. Marshall Lemcoe Jr. wrote: > > You might just completely remove Xorg and then completely reinstall it > > to fix your xorg.conf issue. > > What xorg.conf issue? The *way* Fedora/X Org works now is you DON"T > nee

Re: imac on lan, printing to f14: network host '192.168.2.8' is busy, will retry in 30 seconds

On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 12:15 +0200, Emilio Lopez wrote: > You should see cups admin page at http:\\your-fedora-ip:631 URIs use the forward slash / not the backwards slash \ e.g. http://localhost:631/ General CUPS/IPP notes: On the CUPS server computer, the firewall must be opened to allow networ

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On Monday 17 October 2011 02:34:47 Tom Horsley wrote: > On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:20:35 -0500 > > Chris Adams wrote: > > Define "first". Hint: that's not a solvable problem on general PC > > hardware (thus, biosdevname). There have been many problems over the > > years where the ordering changed on

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On Sun, 2011-10-16 at 14:36 -0700, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 10/16/2011 02:21 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > > On 10/16/2011 08:16 AM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > >> On 10/16/2011 11:10 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: > >>> Is it possible to have Firefox continually updated by rpm on a Fedora 14 > >>>

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 07:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/17/2011 01:52 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > > > It is already available on F14. I am running it. That happened when I > > opened Firefox and I was asked if I wanted to update to Firefox 7. > > Then, you aren't running the Fedora pac

Code names and other coelacanths

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Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On 17/10/11 02:43, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/17/2011 01:52 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >> >> It is already available on F14. I am running it. That happened when I >> opened Firefox and I was asked if I wanted to update to Firefox 7. > > Then, you aren't running the Fedora packaged version. > > Ra

how to bind single interface with more than one cpu

Hi, We have one server which i having 4 CPU core.So in that i want to bind 2 CPU with one LAN interface for high network performance. i tried to set smp_afinity , i can change irq of interface on different cpus but i can't bind it with 2 cpus. How to do it? Regards, Benjamin -- users maili

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On 10/17/2011 07:37 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 07:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: >> On 10/17/2011 01:52 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: >>> >>> It is already available on F14. I am running it. That happened when I >>> opened Firefox and I was asked if I wanted to update to Firefox

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On 10/17/2011 07:52 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > That happens even with the Fedora packaged version. > iirc "You are now running version x.xx, > we reccomend you upgrade to Firefox 7, the latest version. > I get that on my F14 vms' You aren't auto updated however Rahul -- users mailing list us

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

Ok... I have switched from noveau driver to the nVidia driver. That helps. Except I use XFCE4 as my window manager and the main bar at the top of every window is missing on the local console. HOWEVER, it works fine in VNC. I don't understand why, since both the local console and the VNC session

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On Monday 17 October 2011 16:13:36 Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/17/2011 07:37 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 07:13 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > >> On 10/17/2011 01:52 AM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > >>> It is already available on F14. I am running it. That happened when I > >>> op

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 11:17 AM, John Aldrich wrote: > Ok... I have switched from noveau driver to the nVidia driver. That helps. > Except I use XFCE4 as my window manager and the main bar at the top of > every window is missing on the local console. HOWEVER, it works fine in VNC. > I don't under

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On 10/17/2011 09:11 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > But what I would like to know (and Rahul's link doesn't explain) is *why* F14 > doesn't have FF7? At this point F14 will be EOL'd soon, so it doesn't make > sense to update FF now, but it did make sense several months ago. Why wasn't > it done?

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On Mon, 2011-10-17 at 20:44 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote: > On 10/17/2011 07:52 PM, Frank Murphy wrote: > > > > > That happens even with the Fedora packaged version. > > iirc "You are now running version x.xx, > > we reccomend you upgrade to Firefox 7, the latest version. > > I get that on my F14

Re: cursor : weird disappearances

On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 06:18:13 +1030, Tim wrote: > On Sat, 2011-10-15 at 16:14 +, Beartooth wrote: >> Every once in a while, completely unpredictably afaik, the >> cursor suddenly disappears. I have it set to display its position when >> I hit Ctrl; but it doesn't, until I wave the mouse

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

On 10/17/2011 09:20 PM, Aaron Konstam wrote: > > Updating F14 will soon stop. And no attempt has occurred yet to update > Firefox passed firefox-3.6.23-1.fc14.i686. While Firefox has gone to > version 4, 5, 6 and 7. When do you predict firefox will be updated in > F14 repos. I already answered th

F14 misbehavior of gnome-session-properties

F14 fully updated has been failing, on cold boot, to restore my gnome terminal, which is 2.32.0. I have the gnome-session-properties option set to remember running applications when logging out, and it does always come up on Workspace 1. But that workspace, where I keep a terminal with

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon October 17 2011, Robert Myers wrote: > > VNC apparently correctly anticipates what's on the other end. Your > system is confused about either your video card or the monitor for > your console. Were it me, I'd be plugging in other video cards and/or > monitors just to see what happens. I

hw csum failure

I'm running F15, current update. p35p1 is eth0. I'm seeing a lot of the following in /var/log/messages. Can anyone tell me what this means? [ 694.180201] p35p1: hw csum failure. [ 694.180208] Pid: 0, comm: kworker/0:0 Tainted: P 2.6.40.6-0.fc15.x86_64 #1 [ 694.180211] Call Trace

Re: Fedora 14 / Skype / Headset [SOLVED]

On Wed, 12 Oct 2011 20:36:25 +0200 Frank Elsner wrote: > > Hallo folks, > > skype works perfect with my Logitech webcam and the integrated microphone > under Fedora 14. > > But when I plug in a Logitech headset (earphone plug and microphone plug) > only the earphones work. The microphone will (i

Re: imac on lan, printing to f14: network host '192.168.2.8' is busy, will retry in 30 seconds

>Re: imac on lan, printing to f14: network host '192.168.2.8' is busy, will >retry in 30 seconds >It sounds like port 631 is closed in Fedora Firewall. Did you check that? >You should see cups admin page at http:\\your-fedora-ip:631 >emiliollbb On my f14, I did 'system-config-firewall' and ch

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:18 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > Could be part of my disk is trashed. I logged into Gnome as a test (didn't > like the lack of desktop icons, another reason I don't use KDE any more!) > and got notification of a hard drive error. I'm working on getting a new > hard drive, so

Re: Can't access username

Am 13.10.2011 18:42, schrieb Bill Kuns: > I've installed Fedora 15 four times. The same thing happens. > > When I try to log on to username, I get a message: > > Could not update /home/username/.ICEauthority > > What am I doing wrong? who is the owner of this file? chown username /home

Re: Dennis Ritchie

Am 13.10.2011 19:06, schrieb Fennix: > I should hope that we can change the name and remember Dennis Ritchie now... > and not a year later, 2 releases later > > Fennix. +1 if the change of the technical non-relevant name cause a technical problem for the update i think there should be

Re: Can't access username

Am 13.10.2011 20:01, schrieb Rick Stevens: > If not, as root, change the permissions and delete the > ~username/.ICEauthority file: > > sudo chown username ~/username > sudo chmod u+rwx ~/username > sudo rm -f ~/username/.ICEauthority first: sudo is not enabled by default and

Re: Remote access

and his boss is "perfectly legitimate" to fire him form one day to the next it does even not matter if there si any firewall to pierce, it is enough taht a policy/admin says "it is not allowed" to fire you if you are doing it peopole like you are a real nightmare because you are enforcing other on

Re: Booting a live ISO without mounting the hard drive ?

Am 14.10.2011 18:12, schrieb linux guy: > I'm on the road, in the middle of nowhere. > > I've got a hard drive issue. > > I'd like to run the f15 Live ISO from a USB drive. No problem there. > > I DO NOT want it to mount the hard drive. i'd like it unmounted so > that I can perform disk tes

Re: getting packet dropperd on interface

Am 15.10.2011 13:09, schrieb Benjamin: > OS : FEDORA 15 64 BIT > LAN INTERFACE IS ONBOARD GIGABIT LAN CARD this is no information WHAT network-card is on the board? lspci is your friend! signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.o

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 ... where is the problem?

Am 16.10.2011 03:53, schrieb Robert Myers: > What chance is there that such feedback would have any influence > whatsoever on a "major change" already decreed from on high? This > discussion is pointless. If you're going to argue endlessly about why > changing "eth0" to "p4p1" would be a major i

Re: Firefox 7 on Fedora 14

Am 16.10.2011 23:36, schrieb Daniel B. Thurman: On 10/16/2011 02:21 PM, Daniel B. Thurman wrote: > On 10/16/2011 08:16 AM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: >> On 10/16/2011 11:10 AM, Colin Paul Adams wrote: >>> Is it possible to have Firefox continually updated by rpm on a Fedora 14 >>> system, or do I ha

Re: hw csum failure

Apparently, this failure shows up on 2.6.40.6-0.fc15.x86_64, but not on 2.6.40.4-5.fc15.x86_64. On 10/17/2011 10:21 AM, Michael Eager wrote: > I'm running F15, current update. p35p1 is eth0. > > I'm seeing a lot of the following in /var/log/messages. > > Can anyone tell me what this means? > > >

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

Am 17.10.2011 10:22, schrieb Tim: > Tim: >>> Well, in the case of MAC filtering, it's nothing to do with >>> "security." It's merely closing an unlocked door in someone's face. > > Alan Cox >> No.. security is not a boolean. MAC filtering is very useful for >> stopping inadvertent plugging in of

OT: need bash help

Hi all, I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. If I execute this: ps x | grep mongod | wc -l it returns a value. OTOH, if I execute this: LINES = ps x | grep mongod | wc -l it returns "command not found". How does one assign the output of a command to an environment va

Re: OT: need bash help

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA512 On 10/17/2011 02:39 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. > > If I execute this: > >ps x | grep mongod | wc -l > > it returns a value. > > OTOH, if I execute this: > >LINES = ps x |

Re: OT: need bash help [solved]

On 10/17/2011 12:39 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. > > If I execute this: > > ps x | grep mongod | wc -l > > it returns a value. > > OTOH, if I execute this: > > LINES = ps x | grep mongod | wc -l > > it returns "command not found

Re: OT: need bash help

On 10/17/2011 12:39 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. > > If I execute this: > > ps x | grep mongod | wc -l > > it returns a value. > > OTOH, if I execute this: > > LINES = ps x | grep mongod | wc -l > > it returns "command no

Re: OT: need bash help

Try wrapping your command to make a subshell: LINES=$(ps x| grep mongod | wc -l) HTH, Pete On Oct 17, 2011 1:39 PM, "Mike Wright" wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. > > If I execute this: > > ps x | grep mongod | wc -l > > it returns a value. > > OTOH

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon October 17 2011, suvayu ali wrote: > > If you want to salvage your data, I would recommend ddrescue. It > worked wonderfully for me. > Thanks. It's not that bad. Yet. I just know that SMARTD is apparently telling me that the drive is failing. I don't have a replacement yet, but hopefully

Re: OT: need bash help [solved]

Backticks for a subshell are 'depricated' though the convention is still in wide use. I use the $() method because `su - user 'command --opt="foo"'` and such can get a bit confusing, and the alternative is much easier to pick out of a mass of text. On Oct 17, 2011 1:45 PM, "Mike Wright" wrote:

Re: doc question on private network IP allocation

On 10/17/2011 01:32 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > if you have 5 easy to break security barriers in front you make it > real hard for most people without enough knowledge of all these > barrieres to break them all - nobody said these are the only > preventions - these are ADDITIONAL ONES Exactly. Bac

Re: restricted shell

Not precisely what you are requesting, but the "sudo" command could be used to allow your admin root access to certain commands only. See "man sudo" and "man visudo". The /etc/sudoers file has examples of this sort of functionality, but should only be edited using the visudo utility. Hugh On

Re: Dennis Ritchie- Comment of the Day

In computing if Steve Jobs gave us the skyscrapers the Dennis Ritchie gave us the steel. -- === Support your right to arm bears!! === Aaron Konstam telephone: (2

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon October 17 2011, Tim wrote: > Usually, you can CTRL+ALT+F2 (or one of the other F keys), over to a > text console, on the same computer, to use the command line. If that > works, then it saves you a bit of hassle to work through this problem. > Though, it can happen that the graphics system

Re: restricted shell

On 10/17/2011 01:27 PM, Hugh Caley wrote: > Not precisely what you are requesting, but the "sudo" command could be > used to allow your admin root access to certain commands only. Yes. In fact, I'm fairly sure that this is exactly what it was written for in the first place. Using it in place of

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On Sat, Oct 15, 2011 at 06:54:02PM -0400, John Aldrich wrote: > On Thu October 13 2011, Darryl L. Pierce wrote: > > > The adults also realize that Fedora already has a process pretty much > > > exactly as Thomas described, and participate in it if they want to. > > > Really? What is it? How do we a

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

Hi John, On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 9:58 PM, John Aldrich wrote: > On Mon October 17 2011, suvayu ali wrote: >> >> If you want to salvage your data, I would recommend ddrescue. It >> worked wonderfully for me. >> > Thanks. It's not that bad. Yet. I just know that SMARTD is apparently > telling me th

Re: imac on lan, printing to f14: network host '192.168.2.8' is busy, will retry in 30 seconds

Tim responded >On the CUPS server computer, the firewall must be opened to allow >network printing service. This allows UDP and TCP traffic over port >631, over your network interface. Fedora has a preset option for this >in its firewall control panel. On my f14 I ran 'system-config-firewall'

Re: OT: need bash help [solved]

On 17 October 2011 20:45, Mike Wright wrote: > On 10/17/2011 12:39 PM, Mike Wright wrote: >> Hi all, >> >> I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. >> >> If I execute this: >> >>     ps x | grep mongod | wc -l >> >> it returns a value. >> >> OTOH, if I execute this: >> >>     LINES =

Re: What was gqview renamed to ?

2011/10/17, suvayu ali : > On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 6:19 AM, Andras Simon wrote: >> >> You can force searching everything by specifying "all" as >> the >> first argument. >> > > I didn't know that! Thanks a lot. :) Me neither, until I saw yum telling me about it some t

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 ... where is the problem?

On 2011/10/16 02:33, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 16.10.2011 03:53, schrieb Robert Myers: >> What chance is there that such feedback would have any influence >> whatsoever on a "major change" already decreed from on high? This >> discussion is pointless. If you're going to argue endlessly about wh

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On 2011/10/17 06:50, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Monday 17 October 2011 02:34:47 Tom Horsley wrote: >> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:20:35 -0500 >> >> Chris Adams wrote: >>> Define "first". Hint: that's not a solvable problem on general PC >>> hardware (thus, biosdevname). There have been many problems

Re: OT: need bash help

On 10/17/2011 07:39 PM, Mike Wright wrote: > Hi all, > > I'm trying to write a bash script and having problems. you seem to have several replies that can give you what you want. here are a couple links that i have found helpful; http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/ http://www.faqs.org/docs/abs/HTM

Re: HELP!!! System messed up!

On Mon October 17 2011, suvayu ali wrote: > > I don't mean to insist, but I had a similar problem and I was able to > replicate the old drive along with the partition table and LVM onto > the replacement drive using ddrescue. The procedure is documented in > this post. > >

My "santa-list" for Fedora-14.. & is there a file-wash program?..

I run Fedora-14, mostly for a pix editing hobby like some use electronic card-solitaire to relax, & music, & writing in "focuswriter"... I'm not on the Net at home.. The demons destroy my PC's OS twice a week.. Me thinks it's a "hungry falling libido thing" for them... I note a few little glitch

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On Tuesday 18 October 2011 00:57:42 jdow wrote: > On 2011/10/17 06:50, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > > On Monday 17 October 2011 02:34:47 Tom Horsley wrote: > >> On Sun, 16 Oct 2011 20:20:35 -0500 > >> > >> Chris Adams wrote: > >>> Define "first". Hint: that's not a solvable problem on general PC > >>

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 7:01 PM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Tuesday 18 October 2011 00:57:42 jdow wrote: >> There is something wrong with ethp2p3? What KIND of device is easier to >> fathom if it is part of the name, ya know. > > Well, I agree that would indeed be more descriptive. :-) Feel free t

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On Monday, October 17, 2011 16:57:42 jdow wrote: > There is something wrong with ethp2p3? What KIND of device is easier > to fathom if it is part of the name, ya know. Tell Sun, er, Oracle that. What are hme0, qfe0, and eri0? :-) -- Garry Williams -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproj

Re: Yep, names like p4p1 are soooo much better than eth0 :-(

On 10/18/2011 11:39 AM, Garry T. Williams wrote: > On Monday, October 17, 2011 16:57:42 jdow wrote: >> There is something wrong with ethp2p3? What KIND of device is easier >> to fathom if it is part of the name, ya know. > Tell Sun, er, Oracle that. What are hme0, qfe0, and eri0? :-) > It has be