On Sun, 2021-06-27 at 12:33 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:44 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Interesting. That sounds superficially similar to Android's A/B
> > system
> > update method. Is there work being done on getting this into
> > Fedora?
> >
>
> F
On Wed, Jun 23, 2021, 3:44 AM Patrick O'Callaghan
wrote:
>
>
> Interesting. That sounds superficially similar to Android's A/B system
> update method. Is there work being done on getting this into Fedora?
>
Folks are looking at multiple ways of doing it. All options imply some kind
of layout cha
On Wed, 2021-06-23 at 09:54 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> Also, without the automagic background pakagekit nonsense running,
> you can run dnf exactly when you want to rather than discovering that
> packagekit has the updates locked while it is downloading stuff. It
> seems to have the uncanny abilit
On Wed, 23 Jun 2021 13:14:56 +0930
Tim via users wrote:
> Remove/disable package kit.
> Do manual updates when you feel like it.
Also, without the automagic background pakagekit nonsense
running, you can run dnf exactly when you want to rather than discovering
that packagekit has the updates lock
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 14:05, Tim via users
wrote:
> On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 13:29 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> > Many of the younger linux users I encounter came to linux from
> > Windows because a mission critical application requires linux. Some
> > have only used the command line after
On 6/23/21 5:43 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
It's a more sophisticated variation on on I came up with by (rw)
snapshotting the 'root' subvolume, mounting it, and using chroot to
do
a full system update (and upgrade). It's an out of band or side car
update. No reboot to a special environment. I
On 6/22/21 11:44 PM, Tim via users wrote:
You can:
Remove/disable package kit.
Do manual updates when you feel like it.
Reboot when you want to.
That's what I do. The last thing I want is several minutes of waiting
around for the computer to shutdown or startup when I don't want to be
waiting
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 22:34 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:58 AM Joe Zeff wrote:
> >
> > On 6/22/21 10:29 AM, George N. White III wrote:
> > > The Gnome software manager has the added advantages
> > > that it a) forces a reboot and b) offers flatpak versions of
> > > majo
On 6/22/21 9:59 PM, Tim via users wrote:
One of my peeves about Ubuntu (years ago, but may still apply), was
that their forums were full of Windows escapees, still carrying on in
the same way. Not knowing what they were doing, yet giving (bad) cargo
cult advice, and carrying on in a Windows mann
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 11:24 AM Anil Felipe Duggirala
wrote:
> I don't know a lot about Packagekit, or anything else really.
> But I will take this chance to complain again. When rebooting or shutting
> down my laptop, many times the process is delayed (up to 1.5 minutes) and it
> displays its
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021 at 10:58 AM Joe Zeff wrote:
>
> On 6/22/21 10:29 AM, George N. White III wrote:
> > The Gnome software manager has the added advantages
> > that it a) forces a reboot and b) offers flatpak versions of major
> > applications.
>
> The forced reboot is only an advantage if some o
George N. White III:
> The forums for some of the mission critical applications have seen
> cases where users were told to install an updated distro package.
> User then reports that the update had no effect (because the old
> library is still being used) and proceeds to run wild reinstalling
> th
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 12:24 -0500, Anil Felipe Duggirala wrote:
> I don't know a lot about Packagekit, or anything else really.
> But I will take this chance to complain again. When rebooting or
> shutting down my laptop, many times the process is delayed (up to 1.5
> minutes) and it displays its w
Tim:
>> Long ago I gave up helping such users by no-
>> longer continually fixing their broken Windows...
Joe Zeff:
> "Sorry, I don't do Windows."
Exactly!
I still get asked if I can recommend anti-virus software, and I reply
that I haven't touched Windows in years, I don't need it on my
comput
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 14:29:33 -0600
Joe Zeff wrote:
> And that's why I suggest some form of Ubuntu to people like that.
I use ubuntu on the little computer I have running my 3D printer
so I can run the LTS release and not worry about upgrading
every 6 months. I just had a problem with the latest k
On 6/22/21 12:57 PM, George N. White III wrote:
As long as the Gnome software manager doesn't get in the way of doing
updates with DNF, you should be able to leave it to the users who insist
on doing everything with GUI's.
*Shrug!* If they really want to do everything through a point and droo
On 6/22/21 11:02 AM, Tim via users wrote:
Long ago I gave up helping such users by no-
longer continually fixing their broken Windows...
"Sorry, I don't do Windows."
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On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 14:00, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 6/22/21 10:29 AM, George N. White III wrote:
> > The Gnome software manager has the added advantages
> > that it a) forces a reboot and b) offers flatpak versions of major
> > applications.
>
> The forced reboot is only an advantage if some of th
On Tue, Jun 22, 2021, at 10:23 AM, Tim Evans wrote:
> On 6/21/21 4:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> > PackageKit and dnf keep separate metadata in /var/cache and they
> > update periodically. PackageKit seems to do this on login, but I've
> > also noticed it trigger an update when I switch networks.
On Tue, 2021-06-22 at 13:29 -0300, George N. White III wrote:
> Many of the younger linux users I encounter came to linux from
> Windows because a mission critical application requires linux. Some
> have only used the command line after Google told them to run "sudo
> " resulting in a badly broken
On 6/22/21 10:29 AM, George N. White III wrote:
The Gnome software manager has the added advantages
that it a) forces a reboot and b) offers flatpak versions of major
applications.
The forced reboot is only an advantage if some of the upgrades require a
reboot to get them started. Most upgra
On Tue, 22 Jun 2021 at 12:25, Tim Evans wrote:
> On 6/21/21 4:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
>
> > PackageKit and dnf keep separate metadata in /var/cache and they
> > update periodically. PackageKit seems to do this on login, but I've
> > also noticed it trigger an update when I switch networks. And
On 6/21/21 4:52 PM, Chris Murphy wrote:
PackageKit and dnf keep separate metadata in /var/cache and they
update periodically. PackageKit seems to do this on login, but I've
also noticed it trigger an update when I switch networks. And dnf is
on a timer. Either of them can use a lot of cpu, it ju
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 7:18 AM Tim Evans wrote:
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux harrier 5.12.11-300.fc34.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 16 15:47:58 UTC
> 2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> As I sit here, my Lenovo T530 laptop is reporting packagekitd is taking
> anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of CPU, per 'top
> On 21 Jun 2021, at 14:18, Tim Evans wrote:
>
> $ uname -a
> Linux harrier 5.12.11-300.fc34.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 16 15:47:58 UTC 2021
> x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
>
> As I sit here, my Lenovo T530 laptop is reporting packagekitd is taking
> anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of CPU, per 't
$ uname -a
Linux harrier 5.12.11-300.fc34.x86_64 #1 SMP Wed Jun 16 15:47:58 UTC
2021 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux
As I sit here, my Lenovo T530 laptop is reporting packagekitd is taking
anywhere from 20 to 40 percent of CPU, per 'top.' There is continuous
disk activity. Nothing going on wi
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