Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Rahul Sundaram
Hi On Sun, Feb 24, 2013 at 8:01 AM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > I never understood the package name though. Why does it have to be > called icedtea-web and not openjdk-icedtea-web or something along those > lines. > One word: Trademarks Rahul -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To un

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 25.02.2013, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: > >And without java, you won't get access to your internet banking here > >in Norway.. > Wow! I never knew Java was as prevalent as that! From http://www.bankid.no : "BankID-programvaren er en digitalt signert Java-applet som lastes ned på din da

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.02.2013 15:53, schrieb Timothy Murphy: >>> Bizarrely, I apparently needed the plugin >>> in order to install Samsung's Unified Linux Driver >>> for my CLP-325W laser printer >>> (Without it the driver installation "wizard" simply hung >>> with a warning that the plugin was required.) >> >>

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: >> I realise you feel strongly on this matter, >> but don't really understand why. > > because pull it AS DEPENDENCY for everyone is wrong > and that was the question i replied? Well, you seemed to go quite a lot further than that in your many contributions to this thread.

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.02.2013 14:08, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> virtually nobody needs the browser-plugin and if you read >> the security news of the last few months it would be a >> dmaned bad idea to install this crap on every computer >> as dependency because it is a useless security ho

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: >>> "icedtea-web" is the package with the plugin >> >> Thanks very much. >> I had forgotten that. >> But wouldn't it be simpler for this to appear among the openjdk packages? >> Or even as a dependency? > > why? > > virtually nobody needs the browser-plugin and if you read

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-25 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 02/25/2013 02:37 AM, Heinz Diehl wrote: On 25.02.2013, Jim wrote: A lot of Federal and State Gov. websites require Java to access their websites in the U.S. And without java, you won't get access to your internet banking here in Norway.. Wow! I never knew Java was as prevalent as that!...

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Heinz Diehl
On 25.02.2013, Jim wrote: > A lot of Federal and State Gov. websites require Java to access their > websites in the U.S. And without java, you won't get access to your internet banking here in Norway.. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription op

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Jim
On 02/24/2013 07:08 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: On 02/24/2013 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.02.2013 09:27, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: simple: nobody needs java applets anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 25.02.2013 01:08, schrieb Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.: > I've only been with Fedora since 14 / 15...and I didn't know I didn't need > java.is it safe to assume that I can > uninstall it without any adverse affects?..just curious I don't really do > anything with Java on my > machineI'm

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 02/24/2013 07:43 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 24.02.2013 09:27, schrieb Fernando Cassia: On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: simple: nobody needs java applets anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the futu

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 05:22:21PM +, Timothy Murphy wrote: > Reindl Harald wrote: > > >> Is there an openjdk JRE plugin for Firefox 19 under Fedora 18? > >> Or have I misunderstood Firefox setup in some way? > >> > >> All the test programs to see if Java is working > >> (eg http://www.java.c

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.02.2013 09:27, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> simple: >> nobody needs java applets >> anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot >> this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the future > > so you know better than th

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-24 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 7:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > simple: > nobody needs java applets > anybody who requries java applets on his website is an idiot > this was 10 years ago teh same as now and in the future so you know better than the RedHat people working on icedtea-web? How about the Wua

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19 - search terms ?

2013-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.02.2013 00:35, schrieb David Timms: > On 24/02/13 10:14, Reindl Harald wrote: >> it takes time and intelligence to find the broswer-plugin > > Zero results with that search term ;-) perfect :-) as less users have installed useless browser plugins as less zombie-machines out there, and ye

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19 - search terms ?

2013-02-23 Thread David Timms
On 24/02/13 10:14, Reindl Harald wrote: > it takes time and intelligence to find the broswer-plugin Zero results with that search term ;-) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guid

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19 - search terms ?

2013-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 24.02.2013 00:09, schrieb David Timms: > I'm sure it does not matter what the middle development platform is - > activex, java, flash, javascript, ios, android, etc. If it's actually > useful, then the bad boys are going to find a way around it and as more packages and code you have installed

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19 - search terms ?

2013-02-23 Thread David Timms
On 24/02/13 09:24, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> why? >> >> virtually nobody needs the browser-plugin and if you read >> the security news of the last few months it would be a >> dmaned bad idea to install this crap on every computer >> as depend

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2013 23:24, schrieb Fernando Cassia: > On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> why? >> >> virtually nobody needs the browser-plugin and if you read >> the security news of the last few months it would be a >> dmaned bad idea to install this crap on every computer >> as

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-23 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Sat, Feb 23, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > why? > > virtually nobody needs the browser-plugin and if you read > the security news of the last few months it would be a > dmaned bad idea to install this crap on every computer > as dependency because it is a useless security hole are yo

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2013 18:22, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Reindl Harald wrote: > >>> Is there an openjdk JRE plugin for Firefox 19 under Fedora 18? >>> Or have I misunderstood Firefox setup in some way? >>> >>> All the test programs to see if Java is working >>> (eg http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Reindl Harald wrote: >> Is there an openjdk JRE plugin for Firefox 19 under Fedora 18? >> Or have I misunderstood Firefox setup in some way? >> >> All the test programs to see if Java is working >> (eg http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp) >> seem to look for Sun Java > "icedtea-web" is

Re: openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-23 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 23.02.2013 15:03, schrieb Timothy Murphy: > Is there an openjdk JRE plugin for Firefox 19 under Fedora 18? > Or have I misunderstood Firefox setup in some way? > > All the test programs to see if Java is working > (eg http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp) > seem to look for Sun Java

openjdk with fedora 18/firefox 19

2013-02-23 Thread Timothy Murphy
Is there an openjdk JRE plugin for Firefox 19 under Fedora 18? Or have I misunderstood Firefox setup in some way? All the test programs to see if Java is working (eg http://www.java.com/en/download/testjava.jsp) seem to look for Sun Java. -- Timothy Murphy e-mail: gayleard /at/ eircom.net tel