Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 12/17/2012 05:37 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: On 12/17/2012 02:15 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: just because some developers or what-have-you decided to finagle things and make them different. This reminds me of an interesting way to describe political movements on a two-axis graph that a friend

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 12/17/2012 05:03 AM, Rejy M Cyriac wrote: On 12/17/2012 01:47 PM, Tim wrote: Tim: Mine actually gets used as a tool, fiddling around with it is the last thing I want to do. It wastes my time having to tweak things to get them to do what I want them to. Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: I on t

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Joe Zeff
On 12/17/2012 02:15 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote: just because some developers or what-have-you decided to finagle things and make them different. This reminds me of an interesting way to describe political movements on a two-axis graph that a friend of mine (http://www.jerrypournelle.com)

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 12/17/2012 03:17 AM, Tim wrote: Tim: Mine actually gets used as a tool, fiddling around with it is the last thing I want to do. It wastes my time having to tweak things to get them to do what I want them to. Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: I on the other hand am curious to see the inner-worki

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 17 December 2012, Rejy M Cyriac sent: > Everyone has their own area of interest, and I believe that all > 'fiddling', big or small, contributes to improving Open Source > Software. There's a difference between customising something, to someone who thinks that the be-all and

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 12/17/2012 01:47 PM, Tim wrote: Tim: Mine actually gets used as a tool, fiddling around with it is the last thing I want to do. It wastes my time having to tweak things to get them to do what I want them to. Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: I on the other hand am curious to see the inner-work

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-17 Thread Tim
Tim: >> Mine actually gets used as a tool, fiddling around with it is the >> last thing I want to do. It wastes my time having to tweak things to >> get them to do what I want them to. Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent: > I on the other hand am curious to see the inner-workings of some of > the apps on

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-16 Thread Eddie G. O'Connor Jr.
On 12/16/2012 06:35 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, François Patte sent: And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his mail reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of the new mail reader you have chosen... Unfortunately, that

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-16 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, François Patte sent: > And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his > mail reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of > the new mail reader you have chosen... Unfortunately, that has always been the way. Softw

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-16 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 16.12.2012 11:31, schrieb François Patte: > And, because there exist dumb programmers, everybody must change his mail > reader, until a new stupidity comes in mind of the developpers of the > new mail reader you have chosen... +1 > I moved from gnome to xfce because of gnome3, I'll move from

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-16 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 14/12/2012 10:40, Maurizio Marini a écrit : >> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with >> thunderbird. > if u don't need extra search, i suggest u claws After evolution and > kmail for years, i have solved all my trouble, at last, wi

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-16 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 14/12/2012 08:57, Ed Greshko a écrit : > On 12/14/2012 03:35 PM, François Patte wrote: >> Le 14/12/2012 01:39, Steven Stern a écrit : >>> On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mai

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-15 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Thu, 2012-12-13 at 23:42 +, Ian Malone wrote: > No, you really don't want to do that. I have Windows 8 and don't have > access to 10 years of email because the mail client needs a MS login > to even run. Have yet to test whether it can read the old files... > (Not a cry for help, I have othe

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-14 Thread Lailah
El jue, 13-12-2012 a las 15:49 +0530, Rejy M Cyriac escribió: > On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, Christian von Pentz wrote: > > [snip] > >> If you are using an internal mail server of your University, and > >> communicate over SSL, the issue could be similar to mine. You need to > >> add the local CA aut

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-14 Thread Aaron Konstam
On 12/13/2012 04:01 PM, François Patte wrote: > Le 13/12/2012 08:59, Ed Greshko a écrit : > > On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, François Patte wrote: > >> Bonjour, > >> > >> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > >> > >> New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderb

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-14 Thread Ian Malone
On 14 December 2012 07:35, François Patte wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Le 14/12/2012 01:39, Steven Stern a écrit : >> On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: >>> Bonjour, >>> >>> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. >>> >>> New account,

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-14 Thread Maurizio Marini
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Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-14 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 12/14/2012 01:27 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 12/14/2012 03:35 PM, François Patte wrote: Le 14/12/2012 01:39, Steven Stern a écrit : On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: Bonjour, I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. New account, name, mail address, smtp *i

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/14/2012 03:35 PM, François Patte wrote: > Le 14/12/2012 01:39, Steven Stern a écrit : > > On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: > >> Bonjour, > >> > >> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > >> > >> New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunde

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 14/12/2012 01:39, Steven Stern a écrit : > On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. >> >> New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird >> help

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Steven Stern
On 12/13/2012 01:37 AM, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > > New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird > helper goes on the web to check my email server and don't find it! Why? > I really don't know: this m

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/14/2012 07:12 AM, Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA wrote: > On 13/12/12 17:09, Ed Greshko wrote: > > You can select "File--->New--->Existing Mail Account". >>> > >>> > No! I cannot: this possibility does not exist! >>> > >> It doesn't? >> >> thunderbird-17.0-1.fc17.x86_64 here and it d

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Ian Malone
On 13 December 2012 22:07, François Patte wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Le 13/12/2012 11:19, Rejy M Cyriac a écrit : >> On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, Christian von Pentz wrote: >>> [snip] > > So! What shall I do? Move to another mail reader... waiting for that TB > develo

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Bob Goodwin - Zuni, Virginia, USA
On 13/12/12 17:09, Ed Greshko wrote: > > You can select "File--->New--->Existing Mail Account". > > No! I cannot: this possibility does not exist! > It doesn't? thunderbird-17.0-1.fc17.x86_64 here and it does exit and has for a long time. Perhaps Edit > Account Settings would give him so

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/14/2012 06:01 AM, François Patte wrote: > Le 13/12/2012 08:59, Ed Greshko a écrit : > > On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, François Patte wrote: > >> Bonjour, > >> > >> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > >> > >> New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderb

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 13/12/2012 11:19, Rejy M Cyriac a écrit : > On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, Christian von Pentz wrote: >> [snip] >>> If you are using an internal mail server of your University, and >>> communicate over SSL, the issue could be similar to mine. You need to >

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Le 13/12/2012 08:59, Ed Greshko a écrit : > On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, François Patte wrote: >> Bonjour, >> >> I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. >> >> New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird >> hel

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread R. G. Newbury
On 12/13/2012 01:07 PM, François Patte wrote: > -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- > Hash: SHA1 > > Bonjour, > > I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > > New account, name, mail address, smtp*immediately* thunderbird > helper goes on the web to check my email se

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, Christian von Pentz wrote: [snip] If you are using an internal mail server of your University, and communicate over SSL, the issue could be similar to mine. You need to add the local CA authority certificate, before trying to add the account. Same problem here, you can'

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Christian von Pentz
[snip] If you are using an internal mail server of your University, and communicate over SSL, the issue could be similar to mine. You need to add the local CA authority certificate, before trying to add the account. Same problem here, you can't add an account using SSL or similar with an self-

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-13 Thread Rejy M Cyriac
On 12/13/2012 01:07 PM, François Patte wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird helper goes on the web to check my email server and don't find i

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 12/13/2012 03:37 PM, François Patte wrote: > Bonjour, > > I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > > New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird > helper goes on the web to check my email server and don't find it! Why? > I really don't know: this mai

Re: automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 13.12.2012 08:37, schrieb François Patte: > I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. > > New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird > helper goes on the web to check my email server and don't find it! Why? > I really don't know: this mail address a

automatic helpers which really suck!

2012-12-12 Thread François Patte
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Bonjour, I installed f-17 and wanted to set my mail with thunderbird. New account, name, mail address, smtp *immediately* thunderbird helper goes on the web to check my email server and don't find it! Why? I really don't know: this mail address a