Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Robert Holtzman
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 09:20:01PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 11.04.2013 21:14, schrieb Joe Zeff: > > On 04/11/2013 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication > >> is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb > > >

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.04.2013 17:37, schrieb Gary Stainburn: >> Some time ago, I tested a Fedora install with VMware Workstation running >> our WinXP image for the Windows-only apps (CAD, Sketchp), and it worked >> really well; >> - the only problem was strong resistance from stubborn users. > > How does runnin

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Gary Stainburn
Nik I'm sorry if my comments sound negative but I can't see how many of the things you suggest would give any benefits. I would appreciate it if you could explain better for me. On Friday 12 April 2013 00:04:34 Nik Trevallyn-Jones wrote: > Hi Gary, > > Just a few thoughts from my own experience

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 12.04.2013 15:32, schrieb Aaron Konstam: > One anoyance however is that wine will not run 64bit Window > applications and what do think why there are wine.i686 and wine.x86_64 packages? Name: wine Arch: x86_64 Version : 1.5.24 Release : 1.fc18 Size: 41 k Repo

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Friday 12 April 2013 15:06:07 Tim wrote: > Failing that, if there's an option to not include any of the prior > message in the reply, that's better than mass top quoting. > > -- I've just had a look on my Blackberry and it does have the option to "delete original text". You could combine that

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:55 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: > What ever happened to bottom-posting? This last post reads like it was > written on a computer verses on a Blackberry phone. Could we please > stick > to bottom-posting unless on a Blackberry, ? and could those on a > Blackberry > please c

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:55 -0700, Richard Vickery wrote: > What ever happened to bottom-posting? This last post reads like it was > written on a computer verses on a Blackberry phone. Could we please > stick to bottom-posting unless on a Blackberry Failing that, if there's an option to not includ

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Aaron Konstam
On Fri, 2013-04-12 at 09:04 +1000, Nik Trevallyn-Jones wrote: > Hi Gary, > > Just a few thoughts from my own experiences. > > I also support a network of WinXP machines (40+, so fewer than yours). > I use FOG ( http://www.fogproject.org/ ) to automate tasks and re-image > the machines, and every

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-12 Thread Ian Malone
On 12 April 2013 06:01, Tim wrote: > poma: > >> Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile > >> agenda. :) > >> Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :) > > > David: > > Perhaps a sign of the times? :-) > > > > And no I could not replace my

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/11/2013 04:55 PM, Richard Vickery wrote: and could those on a Blackberry please continue to tell us until this company gets the problem fixed? I doubt that they consider it a problem. People in business find top posting natural because they're used to reading things in paper files in r

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Richard Vickery
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 4:04 PM, Nik Trevallyn-Jones < fed...@babel.homelinux.net> wrote: > Hi Gary, > > Just a few thoughts from my own experiences. > > I also support a network of WinXP machines (40+, so fewer than yours). > I use FOG ( http://www.fogproject.org/ ) to automate tasks and re-image

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Tim
poma: >> Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile >> agenda. :) >> Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :) David: > Perhaps a sign of the times? :-) > > And no I could not replace my desktop with a handheld. But... I can do > one heck of

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 15:01 +0100, Gary Stainburn wrote: > but I'm stuck with having to use Internet Explorer 8/9 for the > application we use to run our business. The providers have > specifically written the application to work with IE but even then > have to "mend" it for each new release. The

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Nik Trevallyn-Jones
Hi Gary, Just a few thoughts from my own experiences. I also support a network of WinXP machines (40+, so fewer than yours). I use FOG ( http://www.fogproject.org/ ) to automate tasks and re-image the machines, and everything runs quite smoothly. Some time ago, I tested a Fedora install with

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread David
On 4/11/2013 6:06 PM, poma wrote: > On 10.04.2013 17:09, Temlakos wrote: >> Everyone: >> >> This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but: > […] > > Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile > agenda. :) > Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread poma
On 10.04.2013 17:09, Temlakos wrote: > Everyone: > > This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but: […] Lately half of the off topic threads ends with some sort of a mobile agenda. :) Is it really so attractive, or is it just a good job of marketing. :) poma -- users mailing list

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.04.2013 21:14, schrieb Joe Zeff: > On 04/11/2013 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: >> sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication >> is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb > > IMAO, if you can't make your intentions clear without smileys, you should >

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/11/2013 11:55 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: sarcasm on mailing lists without smileys or whatever indication is pretty dumb - there is not "but" and no "if", it is dumb IMAO, if you can't make your intentions clear without smileys, you should learn how to express yourself better. Of course, o

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.04.2013 20:44, schrieb Suvayu Ali: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:33:14PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> >> Am 11.04.2013 18:27, schrieb Suvayu Ali: >>> On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: see above - you responded to "I'm not... It's an utterly useless machi

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 07:33:14PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 11.04.2013 18:27, schrieb Suvayu Ali: > > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> see above - you responded to "I'm not... It's an utterly useless machine > >> for > >> almost everything that I d

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 12:03 -0400, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Temlakos wrote: > > Everyone: > > > > This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but: > > > > Windows XP is approaching its own EOL. > > > > Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols released this article > >

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/11/2013 08:45 AM, Gary Stainburn wrote: I think that you have missed the point. I completely agree with you that using a tablet as a proper work horse is a none-starter. That is*why* I said that there is no point going to the effort of replacing the already competent enough Android OS wit

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.04.2013 18:27, schrieb Suvayu Ali: > On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: >> see above - you responded to "I'm not... It's an utterly useless machine for >> almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context clear >> in the message you write a

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Suvayu Ali
On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 05:49:25PM +0200, Reindl Harald wrote: > see above - you responded to "I'm not... It's an utterly useless machine for > almost everything that I do" - so you have learned to make your context clear > in the message you write and not in the message you thought you write Sar

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Wed, Apr 10, 2013 at 11:09 AM, Temlakos wrote: > Everyone: > > This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but: > > Windows XP is approaching its own EOL. > > Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols released this article Personally I don't give a rat's ass about what Microsoft-infiltrated ZiffGates

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.04.2013 17:45, schrieb Gary Stainburn: > On Thursday 11 April 2013 15:39:15 Reindl Harald wrote: >> Am 11.04.2013 16:03, schrieb Gary Stainburn: >>> On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent: > I am thinking about some li

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Thursday 11 April 2013 15:39:15 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 11.04.2013 16:03, schrieb Gary Stainburn: > > On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote: > >> Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent: > >>> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os. > >> > >> I'm not.

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 11.04.2013 16:03, schrieb Gary Stainburn: > On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote: >> Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent: >>> I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os. >> >> I'm not... It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I >

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Gary Stainburn
On Thursday 11 April 2013 14:55:01 Tim wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent: > > I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os. > > I'm not... It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I > do. I can't see what this would give you over the

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Gary Stainburn
I still have 70+ users running WinXP and for the moment have no plans to change them just because support will cease. I'm sure there are others in a similar situation. I would love to move all 200+ users to Linux + LibreOffice but I'm stuck with having to use Internet Explorer 8/9 for the appl

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 11 April 2013, Michael Leung sent: > I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os. I'm not... It's an utterly useless machine for almost everything that I do. -- [tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.8.4-102.fc17.x86_64 #1 SMP Sun Mar 24 13:09:09 UTC 2013 x8

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Michael Leung
I am thinking about some linux based opensource tablet os. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 8:32 PM, Tim wrote: > On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:43 +1000, Michael Leung wrote: > > Now is a post-pc era. > > I've never been in the major computing rat race, I've always used the > alternatives (never had a C64, u

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-11 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2013-04-11 at 16:43 +1000, Michael Leung wrote: > Now is a post-pc era. I've never been in the major computing rat race, I've always used the alternatives (never had a C64, used Amiga when Windows became all the rage, Linux later on, and other things before we had personal computers that w

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-10 Thread Joe Zeff
On 04/10/2013 11:43 PM, Michael Leung wrote: Now is a post-pc era. Just like the fall of the Soviet Union was the end of history? -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines:

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-10 Thread Michael Leung
Now is a post-pc era. On Thu, Apr 11, 2013 at 12:19 PM, Tim wrote: > On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 11:09 -0400, Temlakos wrote: > > 2.Google ChromeOS, which he describes as the Chrome browser > > running on a bare-bones Linux desktop and accessing Google's SaaS > > offerings. > > Bearing in mind an

Re: ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-10 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2013-04-10 at 11:09 -0400, Temlakos wrote: > 2.Google ChromeOS, which he describes as the Chrome browser > running on a bare-bones Linux desktop and accessing Google's SaaS > offerings. Bearing in mind another thread on this list, about excessive bandwidth use (Apple and iCloud, in the

ZDNet Recommends Linux

2013-04-10 Thread Temlakos
Everyone: This might seem a little beyond scope to most of you, but: Windows XP is approaching its own EOL. Steven J. Vaughn-Nichols released this article: http://www.zdnet.com/five-operating-system-alternatives-to-windows-8-and-xp-713765/?s_cid=e539 at ZDNet: Five OS alternatives to Wind