On 09/06/2011 11:48 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> I took your advice, and installed XFCE on F15 and it is working better
> than great. Very fast, very intuitive, and the users were very pleased.
> So far no crashes or white screens.
I'm glad it worked for you. One of the great things about Linux
On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 11:53 -0700, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 09/05/2011 11:37 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> > I have
> > not had the time, but my next step to salvage this piece of equipment is
> > to use kde or one of the other gui's.
>
> My desktop is maxed out at 1 Gig, and I'm not in the position t
On 09/06/2011 12:38 AM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On a side note, all too many of the devs either expect everybody else
> to know how to program as well as they do, or use the comment "If you
> don't like it, why don't you fix it yourself?" as a putdown to the
> rest of us who don't agree with what they've
On 09/05/2011 02:55 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
>> On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 08:18 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
>>> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I
On 09/05/2011 12:24 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> Yeah, I did notice F15 comes with XFCE 4.8. Is it all that different from 4.6?
I've upgraded my laptop, but not my desktop as yet. There are,
actually, some improvements. One problem with 4.6 is that the only menu
editor must be run as root, a
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 8:55 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> gnome3 is an issue for ME because I introduced Linux to my school
> populace 6 years ago. Students and staff have associated gnome2 with
> Linux. They slowly got used to it. Now if I put gnome3 in front of
> them, I can just imagine all th
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 09/05/2011 11:55 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>> XFCE is a viable option but, in all honesty,
>> it's a step backwards from gnome2.
>
> How long has it been since you've tried it? F14 comes with 4.6, F15 and
> up with 4.8, the most recent vers
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:55:56 -0700
> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>
>>
>> Well let's be realistic. An extra 6 months of *only* security updates
>> would be super. Time enough for F17
>
> ...snip...
>
>> Simply put it's just too much change for my u
On 09/05/2011 11:55 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> XFCE is a viable option but, in all honesty,
> it's a step backwards from gnome2.
How long has it been since you've tried it? F14 comes with 4.6, F15 and
up with 4.8, the most recent version. If you haven't used it in several
years, give it a
On Mon, 5 Sep 2011 11:55:56 -0700
Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>
> Well let's be realistic. An extra 6 months of *only* security updates
> would be super. Time enough for F17
...snip...
> Simply put it's just too much change for my use case and my comfort
> level at work.
>
> But don't misunderst
On 09/05/2011 11:47 AM, Richard Hughes wrote:
> If there were more people helping out with QA
> and backporting patches then I'm sure most developers would let people
> do the updates for them, but the reality is nobody is willing to do
> the work.
As I've mentioned before, I haven't done any prog
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 10:24 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 08:18 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
>> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
>> > Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>> >
>> >> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>> >> of gnome3.
>> >
On 09/05/2011 11:37 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> I have
> not had the time, but my next step to salvage this piece of equipment is
> to use kde or one of the other gui's.
My desktop is maxed out at 1 Gig, and I'm not in the position to buy a
new one. (Aside from that limitation, it works just f
On 5 September 2011 18:24, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> I agree, there are a lot of us that would like to extend F14.
This is impossible. Developers are already working at 100% just to try
and get F16 out of the door. If they have spare time, they try to do
F15 updates at the same time. I personally
On Mon, 2011-09-05 at 19:47 +0200, suvayu ali wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> > On 09/05/2011 10:24 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> >> The
> >> hardware requirements for F15 make a lot of equipment unusable;
> >
> > Is it the hardware requirements for F15 or for Gnome 3 th
On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 09/05/2011 10:24 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
>> The
>> hardware requirements for F15 make a lot of equipment unusable;
>
> Is it the hardware requirements for F15 or for Gnome 3 that are causing
> the problem? In the latter case, the answer is
On 09/05/2011 10:24 AM, Gregory P. Ennis wrote:
> The
> hardware requirements for F15 make a lot of equipment unusable;
Is it the hardware requirements for F15 or for Gnome 3 that are causing
the problem? In the latter case, the answer is easy if you take it
logically.
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On 02/09/11 02:14, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
>
Yo
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 08:18 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> > Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> >
> >> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> >> of gnome3.
> > Boo hoo.
> >
>
> He is not alone
I agree, there are a lot of us
On 09/03/2011 09:21 AM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> the Oracle VirtualBox does not adequately permit 3d to run the
> "drain bamaged" Gnome3 in a "not going to lock up" manner.
As several of us have pointed out at different times, there's nothing
forcing you to use Gnome. If it doesn't work, try KDE o
On 09/03/2011 11:21 AM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> On 9/2/2011 1:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
>> I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
>> support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
>> the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
>> Wade Hampton
> H*ll yes! Wher
On 9/3/2011 12:21 PM, Chris Kloiber wrote:
> On 9/2/2011 1:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
>> I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
>> support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
>> the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> --
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> H*ll yes! Where
On 9/2/2011 1:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
> I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
> support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
> the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
>
> Cheers,
> --
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H*ll yes! Where can I vote?
I absolutely can *NOT* use F15 or F16 as
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 09:51, Digimer wrote:
> If you have an environment that requires longer life cycles, have you
> considered CentOS 6?
I wonder if it´d be possible to run CentOS 6 atop the latest greatest
kernel from kernel.org?.
FC
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On Fri, 02 Sep 2011 16:13:20 -0500
Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> > In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> > security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
>
> Fedora is not a democracy. It is a meritocracy.
Neither really. A meritocracy i
On 9/2/2011 2:13 PM, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>> In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
>> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Fedora is not a democracy. It is a meritocracy.
>
> The only changes that get made to Fedora are by p
On 9/2/2011 6:29 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 12:21 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>>
>> Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
>> do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
>> that asked for this change.
>
> That may well be the
On 9/2/2011 6:06 AM, Mike Wohlgemuth wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 02:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
>> Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
>> do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
>> that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I t
Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
Fedora is not a democracy. It is a meritocracy.
The only changes that get made to Fedora are by people that work to make
the changes. Votes are not cast
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 2:28 PM, Robert Marcano wrote:
> On 09/01/2011 08:44 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> > I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> > of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> > security updates for F14 be provided until F17
On 09/02/2011 01:42 PM, Bryn M. Reeves wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 06:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
>> I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
>> support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
>> the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
>
> That doesn't make sense; extending support
On 09/02/2011 10:17 AM, Wade Hampton wrote:
> I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
> support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
> the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
Why are you assuming that Gnome 3 will still be a FPOS by the time F16
comes out?
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On 09/02/2011 06:17 PM, Wade Hampton wrote:
> I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
> support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
> the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
That doesn't make sense; extending support for F14 creates more work for
developers with already b
Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community
stay with Fedora
Why can't the "community" use KDE? No need to
answer, just a thought.
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I agree with those asking to extend F14. Extending
support will allow more time to fix F16 to better address
the GUI issues with Gnome 3, hopefully.
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On 09/02/2011 12:21 PM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
that asked for this change.
That may well be the case and Fedora doesn't really have a choice in that
mat
On 09/01/2011 08:44 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
>
On 09/02/2011 02:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> Hum ... I find it a difficult proposition to ask users "to step up and
> do it" when the march of progress indicates that it wasn't the users
> that asked for this change. Change may be good, but I think alot of the
> feedback on this forum has sho
On 09/01/2011 09:14 PM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
On Fri, 2011-09-02 at 08:18 +0200, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> > Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> >
> >> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> >> of gnome3.
> > Boo hoo.
> >
>
> He is not alone
Definitely not alone. Even XFCE
On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote:
> On 9/1/2011 11:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>> On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>>> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
On 9/1/2011 11:43 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
>> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
On 09/02/2011 06:44 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
> security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
> Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
On 9/1/2011 11:18 PM, Christopher Svanefalk wrote:
> On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
>> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>>
>>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>>> of gnome3.
>> Boo hoo.
>>
> He is not alone
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On 09/02/2011 04:25 AM, Peter G. wrote:
> Robert Arkiletian wrote:
>
>> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
>> of gnome3.
> Boo hoo.
>
He is not alone
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Robert Arkiletian wrote:
> I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
> of gnome3.
Boo hoo.
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I run Fedora in school computer lab. I cannot upgrade to F15 because
of gnome3. In order to help the community stay with Fedora, could
security updates for F14 be provided until F17 is released?
Hopefully by then gnome3 will be fully baked.
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