Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-05-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2018-05-17 at 10:32 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > > > With the move to mailman3, the list footer c

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-05-17 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >>> On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: With the move to mailman3, the list footer cannot be set via the web-based admin interface. I dug into the mail

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-25 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 20:29:27 -0700 Dave Stevens wrote: > On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:07:01 -0700 > Samuel Sieb wrote: > > > On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > > > > > yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit > > > reply and get no cruft and just the point I

Top-posting & list guidelines (was Re: alternative to skype)

2018-03-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2018-03-25 at 14:17 +, chicago wrote: > Don't quote the entire email. In fact, don't quote anything at all when you > reply. On k-9 mail there's a little x button (in the default config) that I > can click to get rid of all the quotes text. No, *do* quote the part you are commentin

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-24 Thread Dave Stevens
On Sat, 24 Mar 2018 17:07:01 -0700 Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: > > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 > > Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > >>> If there's something you're replying to in particular, > >>> maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote th

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 03/21/2018 11:47 AM, chicago wrote: yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit reply and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. (if it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web c

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 03/20/2018 07:49 PM, Dave Stevens wrote: On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: If there's something you're replying to in particular, maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the entire thread so far in every email in the thread. yes, in my client I highli

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Federico Bruni
Il giorno gio 22 mar 2018 alle 0:47, Richard England <"pdx.limey"@gmail.com> ha scritto: On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. Same in Thunberbi

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On 21 March 2018 at 23:49, Richard Shaw wrote: > On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> >>> Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this >>> when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. >> >> > It's a bit of a pain in gmail but I've gotte

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Richard Shaw
> > On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > >> Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this >> when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. > > It's a bit of a pain in gmail but I've gotten used to it. After clicking reply I use Ctl-A which e

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Richard England
On 03/21/2018 02:02 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this when properly configured, but Google seem to have broken it now. Same in Thunberbird. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedorap

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Wolfgang Pfeiffer
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 19:49:26 -0700 Dave Stevens wrote: > yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit reply > and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. (if > it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) Wow - using Claws Mail since

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines

2018-03-21 Thread Rick Stevens
On 03/21/2018 11:47 AM, chicago wrote: >> yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit >> reply >>> and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. >> (if >>> it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) >> >> Same in Evolution. In fact even

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread chicago
> yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here then hit >reply >> and get no cruft and just the point I want to discuss. Claws mail. >(if >> it's good enough for Richard Stallman it's good enough for me!) > >Same in Evolution. In fact even the Gmail web client used to do this >when prope

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2018-03-21 at 12:02 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > With the move to mailman3, the list footer cannot be set via > > > the web-based admin interface. I dug into the mailman3 > > > documentation and

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: >> With the move to mailman3, the list footer cannot be set via >> the web-based admin interface. I dug into the mailman3 >> documentation and filed an infrastructure ticket to see >> about adding guidelines link

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 22:20 -0400, Todd Zullinger wrote: > Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Top-posting is specifically discouraged by the Guidelines > > of this and other lists hosted by Fedora, not to mention > > many other mailing lists of a technical nature. Pleas

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-21 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2018-03-20 at 19:49 -0700, Dave Stevens wrote: > On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 > Todd Zullinger wrote: > > > > If there's something you're replying to in particular, > > > maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the > > > entire thread so far in every email in the thre

Re: Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-20 Thread Dave Stevens
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 22:29:29 -0400 Todd Zullinger wrote: > > If there's something you're replying to in particular, > > maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the > > entire thread so far in every email in the thread. yes, in my client I highlight a point as I've done here the

Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-20 Thread Todd Zullinger
chicago wrote: > I think both top posting and bottom posting are asinine. > The correct answer is to delete the quoted text and reply. > > If there's something you're replying to in particular, > maybe quote that one line but there's no need to quote the > entir

Top-posting & list guidelines (was: alternative to skype)

2018-03-20 Thread Todd Zullinger
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Top-posting is specifically discouraged by the Guidelines > of this and other lists hosted by Fedora, not to mention > many other mailing lists of a technical nature. Please > read: > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#Pro

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-04 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:35 +, Alan Cox wrote: > It's also getting closer to the point a microprojector will fit into > phone or tablet - now that will have fun opportunities ! I've seen one stuck into a video camera, so that you can watch what you shot without having to figure out how the hel

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-04 Thread Alan Cox
> It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe > this is why the devs put the icons down the side, gotta be some reason. > There's room for both. I couldn't do blender, Inkscape, Scribus or > Drupal on a tablet, touch screen or not. Most tablets orient either way, even

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-04 Thread Frank Murphy
On 04/12/11 04:42, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Protests about top-posting are usually accompanied by exhortations to > trim quotes to what is relevant. > > poc > +1, Similar to this -- Regards, Frank Murphy UTF_8 Encoded Friend of fedoraproject.org -- user

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:17 +1100, Roger wrote: > The Gnome3.2 discussion is, to me, a classic example of the reasons > for top posting if only to reduce the clutter. How exactly does it reduce the clutter? In my experience top-posters *never* trim the quotes, so they just grow exponen

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-03 Thread Roger
Of some curiosity is the adjacent discussion about tablets. It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe > Most serious artists I know use a wacom tablet and with a pressure > sensitive stylus, these tablets could reasonably give you the essential > Cintiq type of operat

Re: Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-03 Thread Craig White
On Sun, 2011-12-04 at 14:17 +1100, Roger wrote: > Of some curiosity is the adjacent discussion about tablets. > It seems tablets are mainly portrait and monitors are landscape, maybe > this is why the devs put the icons down the side, gotta be some reason. > There's room for both. I couldn't do

Gnome 3.2 - eh what! --- Top Posting?

2011-12-03 Thread Roger
e poster does not trim the post to relevancy, so posts get to couple hundred words plus of historical drivel, some dating back weeks. Scrolling down through endless drivel to find the latest comment = because the comment when found will inevitably be guff. The Gnome3.2 discussion is, to me, a cla

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 11/28/2011 02:08 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: >> Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers >> attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist. > Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Ed Greshko
On 11/29/2011 12:35 AM, Matt Rose wrote: >> Sorry POC for inserting here. >> >> I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and >> resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often >> recurring themes. > I realize nothing can be done about the meta "Guidelines"

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread les
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 11:15 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les: > > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally > >> because with TOFU you need only the last m

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/28/2011 10:58 AM, G.Wolfe Woodbury wrote: > Well, I'm sure that some folks are of the opinion that the GNOME developers > attitudes and responses to user concerns are pretty fascist. Only those who use the term as a generic insult and haven't the slightest idea what it means. -- users mail

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread G.Wolfe Woodbury
On 11/28/2011 01:49 PM, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: >> The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D > Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still > works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law Well, I'm su

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Joe Zeff
On 11/28/2011 05:30 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > The only thing missing is the confirmation of the Godwin's law. :-D Well, the number of people hating Gnome proves that Ugol's Law still works. Now, all we need is an example of Cole's Law. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To u

Re: Top posting in a meandering thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Ranjan Maitra
Just correcting the typo in the subject line -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines Have a question? Ask away: ht

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Matt Rose
> Sorry POC for inserting here. > > I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and > resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often > recurring themes. I realize nothing can be done about the meta "Guidelines" thrash, but you know, some would say that if s

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Monday 28 November 2011 20:03:02 Ed Greshko wrote: > Sorry POC for inserting here. > > I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and > resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often > recurring themes. > > > > A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Ed Greshko
Sorry POC for inserting here. I just want to congratulate all the participants in this thread and resulting tangents. You've manged to hit at least 3 most often recurring themes. A. GNOME 3 is the most hated desktop since the introduction of KDE 4. B. Licensing in Fedora. Or: Why c

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-11-28 at 21:49 +1100, Roger wrote: > Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same > post it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same > information > Roger That's why you edit. Whatever posting style you use, you need to edit. You can't keep every si

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.2011 12:47, schrieb Patrick O'Callaghan: > 1) Business mail top-posts and quotes everything because that's the way > Outlook works and to a significant percentage of business users > "Outlook"and "Email" are synonyms. The single advantage to doing it this > way is that you can shovel over

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines#If_You_Are_Replying_to_a_Message where it says: Place each part of your reply after the text it addresses (i.e., NO Top-Posting, please see "Wikipedia - Top Posting" and links therein for more on this). Now of course

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Roger
Also consider that with several contributors commenting on the same post it gets boring scrolling down each one through the same information Roger in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation and with the top-posting

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 28.11.2011 09:12, schrieb les: > On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> in business-communication top posting and TOFU is normally >> because with TOFU you need only the last mail of a conversation >> and with the top-posting you need not to scr

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread Maurizio Marini
On Mon, 28 Nov 2011 00:12:14 -0800 les wrote: I love this mlist more and more! all started with Fedora - time to blink and now we are behind this "querelle" that is older than internet ;) you are amazing, guys :) -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscri

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-28 Thread les
On Sun, 2011-11-27 at 20:00 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > >> Let's see the ran

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Antonio Olivares
> |  But side posting is more fun = It > |  and by far a more interesting = certainly > |  challenge, isn't it? = is > |= more > |  {O,o}   Ack! = challenging > > -- = with

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 11/27/2011 06:28 PM, jdow wrote: > On 2011/11/27 15:42, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: >> Well, considering that top posting | But side posting is more fun > > is strongly discourages in the | and by far a more interesting >

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread jdow
: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >>> Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing? >>> A: Top-posting. >>> Q: What is the most annoying thing in e-mail? >> >> but only in mailing-lists and there only because not all are doing

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Mikkel L. Ellertson
On 11/27/2011 01:00 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: >> >> A. Because people read from top to bottom. >> Q. Why should I not top post? >> A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. >>

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday 27 November 2011 20:00:20 Reindl Harald wrote: > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > A. Because people read from top to bottom. > > Q. Why should I not top post? > > A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. > > Q: Wh

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread David
ou installed all that stuff" >> >> Please get your attributions right. There's nothing of mine quoted here. > > That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > Let's see the rant's now. > Dam*! Not I have to find my asbestos suit and tinf

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 13:00:20 -0600 Reindl Harald wrote: > > > Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > > Frank Murphy wrote: > > > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > >> Let's see t

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 27.11.2011 19:32, schrieb Maurizio Marini: > On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + > Frank Murphy wrote: > >> That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) >> Let's see the rant's now. > > A. Because people read from top to bottom. > Q. Why should

Re: Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Maurizio Marini
On Sun, 27 Nov 2011 17:13:53 + Frank Murphy wrote: > That's what top-posting brings. (Not JZ) > Let's see the rant's now. A. Because people read from top to bottom. Q. Why should I not top post? A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text. Q: Wh

Top posting in a meandeing thread was: Re: Fedora - time to blink

2011-11-27 Thread Frank Murphy
On 27/11/11 17:08, Joe Zeff wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 27, 2011 at 10:38 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Possibly so someone can say >>>>> "It's not bloated, you installed all that stuff" > > Please get your attributio

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mailreaders (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-11 Thread Bruno Wolff III
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 18:04:26 -0700, jdow wrote: > Don't care. You anal retentive types can simple be human and adapt rather > than being an unadaptable machine. Don't you have better things to do than > whine about top posting? I think that was partly the point. Why

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mailreaders (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-11 Thread jdow
Don't care. You anal retentive types can simple be human and adapt rather than being an unadaptable machine. Don't you have better things to do than whine about top posting? Or is it time for another side posted message? {+_+} - Original Message - From: "Sam Sharpe&q

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2010-10-11 at 13:01 -0500, Michael Hennebry wrote: > Has anyone considered trimming boilerplate? Yes. poc -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe or change subscription options: https://admin.fedoraproject.org/mailman/listinfo/users Guidelines: http://fedorapr

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-11 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Sun, 10 Oct 2010, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > JD wrote: > >> On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >>> You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... >>> >>> -- >>> Sam >>> >>> On 10 October 2010 21:01, T

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread g
On 10/10/2010 09:40 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > JD wrote: >> On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: On 10 October 2010 21:01, Tim wrote: >> On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 09:02 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > Has anyone ever noticed that gmail (and likely a lot of other online

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Todd Zullinger
JD wrote: > Not to belabor the point, but everytime someone nudges an op not to > top post, a whole chain of posts follows that really muddies the > whole picture. There are plenty of people on this list who seem > adamant that top posting is the natural way to go :) Well, I'd ne

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread JD
t (nor to > neglect to trim what they quote once or trice. After that, not > responding is what I try to do Not to belabor the point, but everytime someone nudges an op not to top post, a whole chain of posts follows that really muddies the whole picture. There are plenty of people on th

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Todd Zullinger
James McKenzie wrote: > On 10/10/10 1:42 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> Does it not send the list guidelines when you subscribe? [...] > No. But the link is at the bottom of every message sent out by the > list server. In fact, it does send the link to the guidelines in the welcome message: Welcome

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread JD
On 10/10/2010 02:40 PM, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: > Threading mail is very convenient, this is true, but this particular posting > is a prime example of the disadvantage of bottom-posting. One has to scroll > and scroll and scroll all the way to the very, very bottom before one can > read what

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 10/11/2010 06:14 AM, Tim wrote: > When someone actually means interspersed/interleaved quoting, then they > should call it that. Don't use the wrong terminology. I just call it "proper" quoting. :-) :-) -- "First things first -- but not necessarily in that order" -- The Doctor, "Doctor Wh

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 10 October 2010 23:14, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 15:40 -0600, Petrus de Calguarium wrote: >> Has anyone ever noticed that gmail (and likely a lot of other online >> email services and desktop software) opens a gap at the top for typing >> the response? > > That doesn't mean you have to

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Tim
tom posting," when it's not (bottom posting is quoting a huge lump, and writing your entire reply below the quote - the exact opposite of top posting). And calling it the wrong thing causes people to bottom post when they should intersperse. When someone actually means interspersed/inter

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 13:55 -0700, JD wrote: > Well, if we take a survey of the list and ask the question, > how many will reply truthfully whether they read it or not? > I only read it once very very long ago beore I even subscribed :) > Hmmm... time for a refresher course :) Yes, I have. And if

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Petrus de Calguarium
JD wrote: > On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... >> >> -- >> Sam >> >> On 10 October 2010 21:01, Tim wrote: >>> On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 09:02 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >>&

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread James McKenzie
On 10/10/10 1:55 PM, JD wrote: >On 10/10/2010 01:48 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >> On 10/10/10 1:42 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >>> On 10 October 2010 21:31, JDwrote: >>>> On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >>>>> You forgot

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread JD
On 10/10/2010 01:48 PM, James McKenzie wrote: >On 10/10/10 1:42 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> On 10 October 2010 21:31, JD wrote: >>>On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >>>> You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... >>>> >

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread James McKenzie
On 10/10/10 1:42 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: > On 10 October 2010 21:31, JD wrote: >> On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >>> You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... >>> >>> -- >>> Sam >>> >>> On 10 October 2

Re: ... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread Sam Sharpe
On 10 October 2010 21:31, JD wrote: >  On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: >> You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... >> >> -- >> Sam >> >> On 10 October 2010 21:01, Tim  wrote: >>> On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 09:02 -0500, Matthew

... why top-posting should be avoided... (was Re: Broken mail readers (was Re: Properly wiping a hard drive ?))

2010-10-10 Thread JD
On 10/10/2010 01:22 PM, Sam Sharpe wrote: > You forgot to mention why top-posting should be avoided... > > -- > Sam > > On 10 October 2010 21:01, Tim wrote: >> On Sun, 2010-10-10 at 09:02 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >>> I'd really appreciate it if any

Re: Top posting

2010-06-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 06/29/2010 07:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. >> That was its point. > > For goodness' sake, we have enough accidental ambiguousness on this > list without people adding it deliberately! Please stop. Don't worr

Re: fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)

2010-06-30 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Wed, 30 Jun 2010, Joel Rees wrote: > Mail User Agents are notoriously bad at the automatic quoting game > (partly because different mail browsers implement quoting It's what one does after the automatic quoting that counts. I wouldn't expect a MUA to trim boilerplate for me. I do that myself.

Re: Top posting

2010-06-30 Thread Andrew Haley
On 06/29/2010 07:48 PM, Michael Hennebry wrote: > "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. > That was its point. For goodness' sake, we have enough accidental ambiguousness on this list without people adding it deliberately! Please stop. Andrew. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.org T

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Tuesday, June 29, 2010 02:48:30 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > > "Fool." was deliberately ambiguous. > That was its point. > > I stated that Carroll was smarter than you because > Carroll noticed that "Fool." was top-posted. > It was a clue. > As I have little evidence regarding the smartness o

Re: fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)

2010-06-29 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/30/2010 07:10 AM, Joel Rees wrote: > In an ideal world, people would know why and how the tools they use > should be used in certain ways when and where, and they would use > their tools accordingly, and we would never need to question what > their intent was. > That's why we have Vi

fool-ishness (Re: Top posting)

2010-06-29 Thread Joel Rees
Mail User Agents are notoriously bad at the automatic quoting game (partly because different mail browsers implement quoting differently, partly because the 800 pound gorilla who joined the internet game late has never understood it, partly because context always has more effect than we exp

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
than Jesus Arocho. >>>> The latter should answer my question. >>> >>> I am obviously missing a lot here. Michael, would you be so kind as to >>> enlighten me so I can, if not increase my 'smartness' in your eyes, at >>> least learn

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Jesus Arocho
on. > > > > I am obviously missing a lot here. Michael, would you be so kind as to > > enlighten me so I can, if not increase my 'smartness' in your eyes, at > > least learn where I erred? > > Yes, after you answer my question. That I was a fool, presumably f

Re: Top posting

2010-06-29 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > >>> Perhaps it's a typo? >>> http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html >>> >>> (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) >> >> 'Tain't a typo. >> Th

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Monday, June 28, 2010 02:51:37 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > > Perhaps it's a typo? > > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html > > > > (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) > > 'Tain't a typo. > That said, Carroll Grigsby seems smarter than Je

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Jesus Arocho
On Monday, June 28, 2010 11:46:54 am Carroll Grigsby wrote: > > Who are you accusing me of calling a fool? > > Perhaps it's a typo? > http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/users/2010-June/376308.html > > (at the very top -- ahead of the "Frank Murphy said" line) > Could be, if so, my apolog

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010, Carroll Grigsby wrote: > On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:12 -0500 (CDT) > Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: >> >>> On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: Fool. >>> >>> Regardless of the relative merits of top or bo

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Mon, 28 Jun 2010 08:27:12 -0500 (CDT) Michael Hennebry wrote: > On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > > > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: > >> Fool. > >> > > > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the > > 'fool' comment is uncalled for

Re: Top posting

2010-06-28 Thread Michael Hennebry
On Fri, 25 Jun 2010, Jesus Arocho wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 03:20:53 pm Michael Hennebry wrote: >> Fool. >> > > Regardless of the relative merits of top or bottom posting the 'fool' comment > is uncalled for. How is it that such a trivial issue can drive us to such > comments; unless perh

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Marko Vojinovic
On Sunday, June 27, 2010 07:25:31 Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Calling all net nazis... > > Sheesh! Are you calling me a nazi? Why? I offered a technical solution that can basically remove most of the top/bottom posting problems in an automatic way, fitting the preferences of each user individuall

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 10:53 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > While viewing any message in the thread, press the letter "k" on the > keyboard. It's a shortcut for Message->Ignore Thread. Does that have the benefit of also killing off thread hijacking? ;-) (Where someone replies to a message, inste

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 10:53 -0500, Robert Nichols wrote: > On 06/27/2010 07:19 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:05 +0530, steve wrote: > >> On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > If there are posts you

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 07:25 -0500, Dale J. Chatham wrote: > Calling all net nazis... [Please don't top-post on this list. Didn't you get the memo? :-] If you read the OP's message you'll see his "solution" is entirely local to each user. It has no effect on the list itself or on the list archives

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Robert Nichols
On 06/27/2010 07:19 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:05 +0530, steve wrote: >> On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >>> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >>> >>> I keep hearing about this, how

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread stan
On Sun, 27 Jun 2010 07:57:31 -0430 Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I like the unconscious irony of "if the context is clear". The *only* > justification for top-posting is to be able to include the entire > history of the thread in such a way as not to force the reader t

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Dale J. Chatham
Calling all net nazis... Sheesh! On 06/27/2010 02:08 AM, Marko Vojinovic wrote: > On Friday, June 25, 2010 00:50:10 JD wrote: > >> I see so many top-posting replies to threads, mixed with correct bottom >> appended replies makes it very difficult to read a thread. Are ther

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 19:35 +0930, Tim wrote: > On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 00:35 -0700, Julius Smith wrote: > > > * Top posting is more efficient for all if the context is clear > > Oh rubbish, it's just the easiest solution for the laziest. Nothing to > do with "effic

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 14:05 +0530, steve wrote: > On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > > On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: > >> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. > > > > I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick > > google sea

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2010-06-27 at 00:35 -0700, Julius Smith wrote: > * Top posting is more efficient for all if the context is clear Oh rubbish, it's just the easiest solution for the laziest. Nothing to do with "efficiency." > * Top posting makes it easier to respond to only one p

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread steve
On 06/27/2010 02:05 PM, steve wrote: > On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: >> On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >>> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. >> >> I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick >> google search yielded

Re: Top posting

2010-06-27 Thread steve
On 06/25/2010 01:48 PM, Suvayu Ali wrote: > On Friday 25 June 2010 12:52 AM, Frank Murphy wrote: >> If there are posts you don't like think killfile. > > I keep hearing about this, how does one do that in Thunderbird? A quick > google search yielded some old threads leading up to no solutions or >

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