Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Lailah
El mar, 22-01-2013 a las 11:10 +, Ian Malone escribió: > On 22 January 2013 11:03, Cristian Sava wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 06:46 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > >> On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > >> > but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. > >> > >> You're n

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread John Austin
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 09:51 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:35:20 + > Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > > On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: > > > > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can n

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 18:24 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 09:45 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 15:29 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:02 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > > > The game CD has some stuff written > > > > beyond

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:12:37PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Alexander Volovics > wrote: > > Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in > > the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. > Are you implying that Virtualbox doesn´t h

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 09:45 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 15:29 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:02 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > > The game CD has some stuff written > > > beyond the "end" of the disc. > > > I would have thought that correct emulatio

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Matthew Miller
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 02:18:00PM -0300, Fernando Cassia wrote: > Which reminds me of something I noticed that the latest Ubuntu > features an optional kernel ("Linux-virt" package) that is supposedly > optimized for running Linux virtualized is there such a package in > Fedora? (never loo

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote: > one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization > for anything else these days where the virt-overhead is nearly > zero and in many cases virtual machines are faster than physical > setups That is only partially accurate on CPU

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Fernando Cassia
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 8:48 AM, Alexander Volovics wrote: > Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in > the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. Are you implying that Virtualbox doesn´t have a full screen mode? Because, believe me, I have used it on Windows hosts t

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Bill Oliver
I've basically given up trying to view multiple OSs on one medium-sized screen. My basic setup when not on the road is to have two screens and run the other OS in the second screen. Unfortunately, I use a couple of programs that are built for Ubuntu, and I can't get the dependencies to work

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Kevin Fenzi
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:35:20 + Matthew Saltzman wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: > > > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no > > > longer be installed to a partition." > > > http://docs.fed

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 15:29 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:02 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > The game CD has some stuff written > > beyond the "end" of the disc. > I would have thought that correct emulation would allow those same > low-level calls in a VM. AFAIK the gue

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 15:11 +, Ian Malone wrote: > Actually the grub2 install thing should not affect dual-booting > windows. You're right, it doesn't. I can dual boot Windows just fine with grub2. I was responding to the comment that there is no reason to ever need a native boot when a VM wo

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 08:02 -0700, Greg Woods wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:12 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > > > > one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization > > for anything else > > There are some cases where this doesn't work. One I know of is > commercial games unde

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 January 2013 15:02, Greg Woods wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:12 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: >> > >> one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization >> for anything else > > There are some cases where this doesn't work. One I know of is > commercial games under Windows. Some

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:12 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization > for anything else There are some cases where this doesn't work. One I know of is commercial games under Windows. Some of them just do not work when Windows is running in a

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.01.2013 14:35, schrieb Matthew Saltzman: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: >> On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: >>> and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no longer >>> be installed to a partition." >>> http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-U

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:35:20 + Matthew Saltzman wrote: > > But is there some danger associated with doing this as part of an > upgrade? If not, why was the option removed from Anaconda? Why would you be changing Grub-install /some/part as part of an upgrade, if is in going in the same place

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Matthew Saltzman
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: > > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no longer > > be installed to a partition." > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/s1-grub-installi

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Tethys
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 1:09 PM, Alan Cox wrote: > If you are trying to keep a system running to get work done without big > changes you want Centos rather than Fedora - definitely. Even then, I'm not so sure any more. My recent CentOS 6 install was a pretty horrendous experience, and I still ca

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Alan Cox
> I'm facing ALL the new changes you mentioned and, since I'm already > feeling overwhelmed, I decided to skip the learning of some new stuff > for later: If you are trying to keep a system running to get work done without big changes you want Centos rather than Fedora - definitely. That or somet

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:03:48 +0200 Cristian Sava wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 06:46 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > > On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > > but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. > > > > You're not alone there! And for me, since I'm still on Fedora 14

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:37:14PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:34:39 +0100 > Alexander Volovics wrote: > > When I tried with Ubuntu in F16 I could only get 4:3 fullscreen > > not 16:9 fullscreen. Is there some special trick or has KVM > > 'advanced'? > I did nothing sp

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 13:34:39 +0100 Alexander Volovics wrote: > When I tried with Ubuntu in F16 I could only get 4:3 fullscreen > not 16:9 fullscreen. Is there some special trick or has KVM > 'advanced'? > > AV > I did nothing special just qxl video driver in the Guest -- Regards, Frank ln -

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:16:52PM +, Frank Murphy wrote: > On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:48:04 +0100 > Alexander Volovics wrote: > > Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in > > the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. > I am using Full Widescreen with KVM. F17 h

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread John Austin
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 13:31 +0200, Cristian Sava wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > > On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: > > > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no longer > > > be installed to a partition." > > > http://docs.fedorapro

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Frank Murphy
On Tue, 22 Jan 2013 12:48:04 +0100 Alexander Volovics wrote: > Neither KVM nor VirtualBox can present the virtual machine in > the same 16:9 fullscreen format as your primary OS. > > AV > I am using Full Widescreen with KVM. F17 host. F18 guest. -- Regards, Frank ln -s http//www.frankly3d.c

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.01.2013 12:48, schrieb Alexander Volovics: > On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:12:30PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > >> one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization >> for anything else these days where the virt-overhead is nearly >> zero and in many cases virtual machines are f

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Alexander Volovics
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 12:12:30PM +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > one reason more to have one priamry OS and use virtualization > for anything else these days where the virt-overhead is nearly > zero and in many cases virtual machines are faster than physical > setups Which is OK on desktops with

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Cristian Sava
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 04:28 -0700, T.C. Hollingsworth wrote: > On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: > > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no longer > > be installed to a partition." > > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/s1-grub-installin

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread James Freer
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 10:46 AM, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. > > You're not alone there! And for me, since I'm still on Fedora 14, > there's also GNOME 3! > > I will install F18 in the next couple of

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread T.C. Hollingsworth
On 1/22/13, Cristian Sava wrote: > and grub2 for dual boot ... "Beginning in Fedora 18, GRUB2 can no longer > be installed to a partition." > http://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/Installation_Guide/s1-grub-installing.html *anaconda* won't install GRUB2 to a partition. You can still

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Cristian Sava
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 12:12 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: > > Am 22.01.2013 12:10, schrieb Ian Malone: > > On 22 January 2013 11:03, Cristian Sava wrote: > >> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 06:46 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > >>> On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > but I must admit I'm

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 22.01.2013 12:10, schrieb Ian Malone: > On 22 January 2013 11:03, Cristian Sava wrote: >> On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 06:46 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: >>> On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. >>> >>> You're not alone there! And fo

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Ian Malone
On 22 January 2013 11:03, Cristian Sava wrote: > On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 06:46 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: >> On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: >> > but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. >> >> You're not alone there! And for me, since I'm still on Fedora 14, >> there's al

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Cristian Sava
On Tue, 2013-01-22 at 06:46 -0400, Jorge Fábregas wrote: > On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > > but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. > > You're not alone there! And for me, since I'm still on Fedora 14, > there's also GNOME 3! > > I will install F18 in the next couple

Re: The changing Fedora

2013-01-22 Thread Jorge Fábregas
On 01/22/2013 01:52 AM, Robert Arkiletian wrote: > but I must admit I'm having trouble keeping up. You're not alone there! And for me, since I'm still on Fedora 14, there's also GNOME 3! I will install F18 in the next couple of weeks. I've always used Fedora every 4 releases (that's a new vers