bruce wrote:
> two questions
>
> can you point to articles where a user as root was using an IRC client
> and got zombified??
>
> and 2, are you guys saying that gnome in fedora 11/12 doesn't allow a
> user to log in as the root user?
>
> thanks
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Tim w
Ed Greshko wrote:
> On 04/16/2010 12:41 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
>> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:42:46 +0800
>> Ed Greshko wrote:
>>
>>
>>> At some point, they'd logout and later, next
>>> day...after lunch, login as themselves and now have all sorts of
>>> troubles they didn't have before.
>>>
>> "It is p
On 04/16/2010 12:41 AM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:42:46 +0800
> Ed Greshko wrote:
>
>
>> At some point, they'd logout and later, next
>> day...after lunch, login as themselves and now have all sorts of
>> troubles they didn't have before.
>>
> "It is possible for idiots to
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 12:21 +, hewjr1...@gmail.com wrote:
> How do I make myself root in the GUI
If you have to ask that, we have to ask are you ready to do that?
Any SysAdmin who knows what they're doing would be reticent to do that,
or to recommend doing that, would strongly advise not doin
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 14:32 -0400, Bill Davidsen wrote:
> Good. Because if you have root password then all you have accomplished
> with nanny login is to force the user to type the root password for
> every GUI, or force the user to try to use su and a possibly unfamiliar
> CLI to do things.
No
Rick Stevens wrote:
> On 04/15/2010 09:01 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote:
>> On 04/15/2010 10:12 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
>>> From: "Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak"
>>> Subject: Re: Root with GUI
>>
>>> On 04/15/2010 08:24 AM, Richard
as root is done
using the more tested and stable non-GUI userland stuff).
IMHO.
Hugh
Message: 17
Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:41:51 -0400
From: Tom Horsley
Subject: Re: Root with GUI
To:users@lists.fedoraproject.org
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On 04/15/2010 06:01 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:07:01 -0430
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>> GUIs are
>> large, complex and buggy pieces of multiple interacting components
>> written by diverse people of widely differing abilities.
>
> Which just proves that you should never
On 04/15/2010 09:01 AM, R. G. Newbury wrote:
> On 04/15/2010 10:12 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
>> From: "Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak"
>> Subject: Re: Root with GUI
>
>> On 04/15/2010 08:24 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>>>> On Thu, Apr 15
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 12:07:01 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> GUIs are
> large, complex and buggy pieces of multiple interacting components
> written by diverse people of widely differing abilities.
Which just proves that you should never use a gui for anything
remotely sensitive, like accessin
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 23:42:46 +0800
Ed Greshko wrote:
> At some point, they'd logout and later, next
> day...after lunch, login as themselves and now have all sorts of
> troubles they didn't have before.
"It is possible for idiots to screw up", is not the same as
an actual case history of some exp
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 08:58 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:14:30 -0430
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
> > and we never typed or clicked on anything we didn't mean to
>
> Right. You can type things you don't mean to as easily as click
> things you don't mean to. I'm just lookin
On 04/15/2010 10:12 AM, users-requ...@lists.fedoraproject.org wrote:
> From: "Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak"
> Subject: Re: Root with GUI
> On 04/15/2010 08:24 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> > On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:21 AM, wrote:
>>> >> How do I make mysel
On 04/15/2010 11:42 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> Since they were non-techies they didn't know the concept of
> file/directory ownership so "permission denied" was a real shocker. So,
> they'd log back in a root and try to fix things only to make them
> worse...or make things insecure. Directories wh
On 04/15/2010 08:58 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:14:30 -0430
> Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
>
>
>> and we never typed or clicked on anything we didn't mean to
>>
> Right. You can type things you don't mean to as easily as click
> things you don't mean to. I'm just looking f
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:44:28 -0700
bruce wrote:
> right.. it used to be the pam files as i recall to allow root to login
> from the login screen... i'm assuming these are the obscure files
> you're referring to ...
Yea, some sort of pam change seems familiar. I haven't paid
much attention since I
hi tom...
right.. it used to be the pam files as i recall to allow root to login
from the login screen... i'm assuming these are the obscure files
you're referring to ...
or did the fedora team make other changes in f11/12/13 that i'm not aware of??
thanks
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:13 AM, Tom
On 04/15/2010 01:52 PM, Dr. Michael J. Chudobiak wrote:
> On 04/15/2010 08:24 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
>> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:21 AM, wrote:
>>> How do I make myself root in the GUI
>>
>> Running a root GUI login is very much frowned upon. What exactly are
>> you trying to accomplish? The syst
在 2010-04-15四的 10:13 -0400，Tom Horsley写道：
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 06:49:08 -0700
> bruce wrote:
>
> > and 2, are you guys saying that gnome in fedora 11/12 doesn't allow a
> > user to log in as the root user?
>
> The GDM program doesn't allow you to login as root (though you can
> edit some obscure
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 06:49:08 -0700
bruce wrote:
> and 2, are you guys saying that gnome in fedora 11/12 doesn't allow a
> user to log in as the root user?
The GDM program doesn't allow you to login as root (though you can
edit some obscure files to change that). A gnome session is willing
to run
two questions
can you point to articles where a user as root was using an IRC client
and got zombified??
and 2, are you guys saying that gnome in fedora 11/12 doesn't allow a
user to log in as the root user?
thanks
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Tim wrote:
> Richard Shaw:
>>> The syste
Richard Shaw:
>> The system-config* tools will prompt for
>> root authentication if necessary
Tom Horsley:
> Thousands and thousands of times in a row, in fact :-).
Not here. Once you've authenticated, that info is cached for a few
minutes, and automatically renewed as you keep on doing things a
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 08:14:30 -0430
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> and we never typed or clicked on anything we didn't mean to
Right. You can type things you don't mean to as easily as click
things you don't mean to. I'm just looking for the actual evidence
that GUIs are fundamentally evil when runn
On 04/15/2010 08:24 AM, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:21 AM, wrote:
>> How do I make myself root in the GUI
>
> Running a root GUI login is very much frowned upon. What exactly are
> you trying to accomplish? The system-config* tools will prompt for
> root authentication if neces
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 07:24 -0500, Richard Shaw wrote:
> On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:21 AM, wrote:
> > How do I make myself root in the GUI
>
> Running a root GUI login is very much frowned upon. What exactly are
> you trying to accomplish? The system-config* tools will prompt for
> root authentic
On Thu, 2010-04-15 at 08:32 -0400, Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:24:32 -0500
> Richard Shaw wrote:
>
> > The system-config* tools will prompt for
> > root authentication if necessary
>
> Thousands and thousands of times in a row, in fact :-).
>
> I'm still waiting for someone to po
On Thu, 15 Apr 2010 07:24:32 -0500
Richard Shaw wrote:
> The system-config* tools will prompt for
> root authentication if necessary
Thousands and thousands of times in a row, in fact :-).
I'm still waiting for someone to point me to the web page
documenting the actual case histories of horrible
On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 7:21 AM, wrote:
> How do I make myself root in the GUI
Running a root GUI login is very much frowned upon. What exactly are
you trying to accomplish? The system-config* tools will prompt for
root authentication if necessary or you can su (or sudo) to root in a
terminal se
How do I make myself root in the GUI
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