Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 09/17/2013 07:44 AM, Matthew J. Roth issued this missive: Rick Stevens wrote: Both trees (the ServerRoot and all of the DocumentRoots) have to be readable by the user that Apache runs as. Absolutely NO part of the ServerRoot should be _writable_ by the Apache user. It should only be writabl

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-17 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Rick Stevens wrote: > > > Both trees (the ServerRoot and all of the DocumentRoots) have to be > readable by the user that Apache runs as. Absolutely NO part of the > ServerRoot should be _writable_ by the Apache user. It should only be > writable by administrative personnel (root, people in the "

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-17 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2013-09-17 at 10:15 +1000, Roger wrote: > I don't grasp the significance of a directory called /html or /better > or /someothername except that httpd.conf refers to /html. It could > equally refer to /someothername with the same vulnerability. Undiplomatic blunt mode - the point would be o

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-17 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2013-09-17 at 10:15 +1000, Roger wrote: > The server has public_html as a link to /var/www so I'm guessing it is > really renaming /var/www to public_html if that makes sence. > This begs a question, Is linking in this way more secure than actually > using the /var/www/html. That linking i

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-16 Thread Roger
I solved it by: cd /var/www/html sudo mkdir tester Ugh... Make special areas (whether they be virtual hosts, or writable areas, etc.) outside of the tree. By way of example, you don't want someone to be able to navigate into a virtual host by simply appending the directory name to the end of s

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-16 Thread Rick Stevens
On 09/16/2013 04:44 PM, Roger issued this missive: On 09/16/2013 11:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-15 at 21:37 +1000, Roger wrote: I solved it by: cd /var/www/html sudo mkdir tester Ugh... Make special areas (whether they be virtual hosts, or writable areas, etc.) outside of the tree. By

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-16 Thread Roger
On 09/16/2013 11:08 PM, Tim wrote: On Sun, 2013-09-15 at 21:37 +1000, Roger wrote: I solved it by: cd /var/www/html sudo mkdir tester Ugh... Make special areas (whether they be virtual hosts, or writable areas, etc.) outside of the tree. By way of example, you don't want someone to be able to

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-16 Thread Daniel J Walsh
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On 09/13/2013 11:28 AM, Martin S wrote: > On Friday, September 13, 2013 08:18:03 PM Roger wrote: > > Yes, to use localhost an username it has to be the username to use > localhost as root then root is ok. That's why I suggested chown > root:username s

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-16 Thread Tim
On Sun, 2013-09-15 at 21:37 +1000, Roger wrote: > I solved it by: > cd /var/www/html > sudo mkdir tester Ugh... Make special areas (whether they be virtual hosts, or writable areas, etc.) outside of the tree. By way of example, you don't want someone to be able to navigate into a virtual host by

Re: installiing joomla -> list moderation strikes again -> So!

2013-09-15 Thread Roger
On 09/15/2013 11:44 PM, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 15.09.2013 15:36, schrieb Martin S: On Sunday, September 15, 2013 09:37:42 PM Roger wrote: Yes also my experience. I tried setting up VirtualHost but that also failed. I solved it by: cd /var/www/html sudo mkdir tester chmod 766 tester chown

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.09.2013 13:37, schrieb Roger: > I tried setting up VirtualHost but that also failed *what* exactly failed? you need a dns-record or a entry in /etc/hosts for a named virtual host only define it in the webserver config does not help much you need to understand the whole concept how a serv

Re: installiing joomla -> list moderation strikes again

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 15.09.2013 15:36, schrieb Martin S: > On Sunday, September 15, 2013 09:37:42 PM Roger wrote: >> Yes also my experience. >> I tried setting up VirtualHost but that also failed. >> I solved it by: >> cd /var/www/html >> sudo mkdir tester >> chmod 766 tester >> chown user:user tester >> then

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
I understand what you're saying and think that Tim's statements may just be > confusing. Hopefully, he'll reply and clarify his meaning. > > Thanks, > > Matt > > - Original Message - > From: "Reindl Harald" > To: "Matthew J.

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2013 21:42, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> it's not a matter of the distribution set permissions wise and only >> allow the apache user write access where it is really needed >> >> teh document root is *not* such a place >> temp/cache folders of a web-application a

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2013 20:51, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: > Please ignore my first reply. I accidentally hit 'Send' before it was > complete. i am not that slow in answers, too late however, it will take days until my posts reach the list due the holy grail of moderation. >> www-data is *deb

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2013 20:40, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: > Reindl Harald wrote: >> >> www-data is *debian* because on Redhat the user/groups is named "apache" >> if you use google add your distribution to the search string! > > Please explain how the specific user Apache is running as is relevant "chown w

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Reindl Harald
Am 14.09.2013 19:10, schrieb Matthew J. Roth: > Please share some acceptable methods of allowing Apache to write files within > DocumentRoot. Searching Google for "Apache write within DocumentRoot" yields > a > lot of results that recommend giving Apache write access. For example, the > canoni

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Martin S
On Sunday, September 15, 2013 09:37:42 PM Roger wrote: > On 09/15/2013 07:40 PM, Martin S wrote: > >> An answer to this may also solve the original poster's Joolma > >> installation situation. > > > > I've tried installing joomla in my own directory and pointing documentroot > > to that, but it s

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Roger
On 09/15/2013 07:40 PM, Martin S wrote: On Sunday, September 15, 2013 11:18:51 AM Roger wrote: Ok I've been doing some experimenting with set up Drupalwise, If I download the file to /Downloads, cd /user then mkdir drupal, extract from /Downloads to /user/drupal/ all as user, I get correct own

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-15 Thread Martin S
On Sunday, September 15, 2013 11:18:51 AM Roger wrote: > Ok I've been doing some experimenting with set up Drupalwise, > > If I download the file to /Downloads, cd /user then mkdir drupal, > extract from /Downloads to /user/drupal/ all as user, I get correct > ownerships and permissions. > Then s

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Roger
Ok I've been doing some experimenting with set up Drupalwise, If I download the file to /Downloads, cd /user then mkdir drupal, extract from /Downloads to /user/drupal/ all as user, I get correct ownerships and permissions. Then sudo cp -R drupal-7.23 to /var/www/html/ it retains user defaults

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Roger
On 09/14/2013 10:51 PM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 14 September 2013, Roger sent: There is some belief that /var/www/html is sacrosanct. More to the point is that you don't let a world-accessible server have write access to files, willy-nilly. Likewise if it's not actually "world" acces

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Reindl Harald wrote: > > it's not a matter of the distribution set permissions wise and only > allow the apache user write access where it is really needed > > teh document root is *not* such a place > temp/cache folders of a web-application are For clarification, can the temp/cache folders be s

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Please ignore my first reply. I accidentally hit 'Send' before it was complete. Reindl Harald wrote: > > www-data is *debian* because on Redhat the user/groups is named "apache" > if you use google add your distribution to the search string! Please explain how the specific user Apache is runnin

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Reindl Harald wrote: > > www-data is *debian* because on Redhat the user/groups is named "apache" > if you use google add your distribution to the search string! Please explain how the specific user Apache is running as is relevant. Is it only an indicator of the distribution the example is base

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Tim wrote: > > You should NOT change ownership of /var/www/http to Apache, never do > that. That's a VERY BAD THING!! Anyone who advises you to do that > is not to be trusted (whether it's because they're being malicious, or > simply that they don't know what they're talking about). That al

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-14 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 14 September 2013, Roger sent: > There is some belief that /var/www/html is sacrosanct. More to the point is that you don't let a world-accessible server have write access to files, willy-nilly. Likewise if it's not actually "world" accessible, but still widely accessible w

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Roger
Please set up permission to apache user, probably it will be chmod apache:apache /var/www/http You should NOT change ownership of /var/www/http to Apache, never do that. That's a VERY BAD THING!! Anyone who advises you to do that is not to be trusted (whether it's because they're being

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Martin S
On Friday, September 13, 2013 08:18:03 PM Roger wrote: Yes, to use localhost an username it has to be the usernameto use localhost as root then root is ok.That's why I suggested chown root:username so both owner and group have ownership.Roger I belive I changed it to that, I'll check when I

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 13 September 2013, Karol sent: > Please set up permission to apache user, probably it will be chmod > apache:apache /var/www/http You should NOT change ownership of /var/www/http to Apache, never do that. That's a VERY BAD THING!! Anyone who advises you to do that is n

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Roger
Yes, to use localhost an username it has to be the username to use localhost as root then root is ok. That's why I suggested chown root:username so both owner and group have ownership. Roger I belive I changed it to that, I'll check when I'm home. I noticed that the owner after default install

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Martin S
I belive I changed it to that, I'll check when I'm home. I noticed that the owner after default install is root:root is there a reason for this if that's not correct? 2013/9/13 Karol > Please set up permission to apache user, probably it will be chmod > apache:apache /var/www/http > > Sent from

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Karol
Please set up permission to apache user, probably it will be chmod apache:apache /var/www/http Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Sep 2013, at 08:50 am, Martin S wrote: > > Aye should have mentioned I've tried the solution that is given in the SEL > popup, but doesn't help. > I'll try to change the

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Martin S
Aye should have mentioned I've tried the solution that is given in the SEL popup, but doesn't help. I'll try to change the permissions as in your suggestion when I have access to the computer again. I've tried both Drupal and Joomla and each has it's merits - to each their own =) 2013/9/13 Roger

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Roger
I'm trying to set up Joomla on my laptop to play around with a site I'm planning. However SELinux seems to block write access for the installation routine to the direcotry /var/www/html and none of the solutions I've found by googling to allow SELinux httpd write access seems to work (install

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-13 Thread Martin S
It's a default installation of AMP on Fedora. So the user you are refering to is? Apache? 2013/9/13 Karol > Did you gave write, and read access to user? > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On 13 Sep 2013, at 06:54 am, Martin S wrote: > > > > I'm trying to set up Joomla on my laptop to play around wi

Re: installiing joomla

2013-09-12 Thread Karol
Did you gave write, and read access to user? Sent from my iPhone > On 13 Sep 2013, at 06:54 am, Martin S wrote: > > I'm trying to set up Joomla on my laptop to play around with a site I'm > planning. However SELinux seems to block write access for the installation > routine to the direcotry