Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-10 Thread Paul Allen Newell
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Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-10 Thread Joel Rees
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:46 AM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 09:40 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: >> Tim wrote: >> > >> > I used to use the underscore, as it made sense (to me, and other >> > programmers) as a substitute for a space.  But there's two drawbacks: >> > >> > 1.  

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-10 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2011-08-10 at 09:40 -0500, Matthew J. Roth wrote: > Tim wrote: > > > > I used to use the underscore, as it made sense (to me, and other > > programmers) as a substitute for a space. But there's two drawbacks: > > > > 1. Try explaining to the clueless what an underscore is, and how to >

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-10 Thread Matthew J. Roth
Tim wrote: > > I used to use the underscore, as it made sense (to me, and other > programmers) as a substitute for a space. But there's two drawbacks: > > 1. Try explaining to the clueless what an underscore is, and how to > type it. Try doing that again and again, and you get real sick of it.

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-10 Thread Ed Greshko
Roberto Ragusa wrote: >On 08/10/2011 08:37 AM, Tim wrote: > >> The shift key is a necessary evil, but it's beyond the comprehension >of >> some people. They don't understand how to type various symbols, or >can >> even recognise what some of them are. And just look at the emails >> you'll see t

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-10 Thread Roberto Ragusa
On 08/10/2011 08:37 AM, Tim wrote: > The shift key is a necessary evil, but it's beyond the comprehension of > some people. They don't understand how to type various symbols, or can > even recognise what some of them are. And just look at the emails > you'll see that are written in all lower cas

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-09 Thread Tim
On Tue, 2011-08-09 at 13:53 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Yours is a good rule, though I accept the shift key as a fact of life > (this letter is evidence of that; otherwise, capitalization would be > lost). I prefer underbar to hyphen for space as hyphen is a legit > character, but I can se

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/9/2011 5:10 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> [...] >> I wish the Chicago Manual of Style would weigh in on url name >> conventions (not to mention typography in code). Not that I'd agree with >> them, but it would be a good starting point. >

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-09 Thread Joel Rees
On Wed, Aug 10, 2011 at 5:53 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > [...] > I wish the Chicago Manual of Style would weigh in on url name > conventions (not to mention typography in code). Not that I'd agree with > them, but it would be a good starting point. One of the problems with style relative to ur

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-09 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/9/2011 6:17 AM, Tim wrote: > On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 18:15 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: >> assuming case-insensitivity > [...] > > > > Once you've set yourself a rule, it's easier to be consistent throughout > your site. Particularly if you put enough thought into it, ahead of > time, that y

Re: [SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-09 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 18:15 -0700, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > assuming case-insensitivity With the Apache web server, there is a "helpful" option that does work around some spelling/typing errors, doing its best to try and do what you meant, rather than what you actually did (changing case, and wo

[SOLVED] Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/8/2011 5:56 PM, Tim wrote: > > For anybody dabbling with scripting, I'd advise trying to find out about > compatibilities (what's common, what's browser specific). First, my thanks to everyone who offered help / suggestions. After checking the add-ons suggestions, I came to the conclusion th

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 19:01 -0400, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > The browsers are probably exposing some OS specific resources to > Javascript. When the Javascript can't find something OS specific that > it's looking for, it dies. Hence why relying on it is nearly always a bad idea. Sure, there's som

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Joel Rees
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:51 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > Joel: > > [...] > As I mentioned before, I sent the original email to see if I missed > something obvious (and I think that paid off with your reply). My next > step was to create a test html/javascript to duplicate by reduction of > origi

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Paul Allen Newell writes: On 8/8/2011 4:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Start digging in your Javascript code. The fact that Firefox is > complaining about various Javascript functions is you big, honking clue. > Sam: Thanks for reply. As mentioned in a prior response to Andras, since WinXP

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell
Joel: Thanks for reply ... my answers(?) inline On 8/8/2011 3:30 PM, Joel Rees wrote: > >> Regarding the validator, your comment was/is understood before I wrote >> my email ... > Not quite, perhaps. I am prepared to discover my understanding is not as good as I thought it was (smile) > Well,

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Joel Rees
Something is still On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 6:37 AM, Paul Allen Newell wrote: > On 8/8/2011 12:42 AM, Andras Simon wrote: >> >> w3c's html  validator is unlikely to signal problems with your >> javascript (and no validator could if the problem is not a syntactic >> one). > > Andras: > > Thanks for

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/8/2011 4:19 AM, Tim wrote: > . > As others have said, it's most likely a browser issue. JavaScript > nearly always is (that, or an authoring error). There are news groups > that deal with web authoring that might be your best bet, but put on > your flameproof suit, they'll be far more critic

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/8/2011 4:12 AM, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > > Start digging in your Javascript code. The fact that Firefox is > complaining about various Javascript functions is you big, honking clue. > Sam: Thanks for reply. As mentioned in a prior response to Andras, since WinXP and F14 are both using Fir

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Paul Allen Newell
On 8/8/2011 12:42 AM, Andras Simon wrote: > > w3c's html validator is unlikely to signal problems with your > javascript (and no validator could if the problem is not a syntactic > one). Andras: Thanks for reply. Regarding the validator, your comment was/is understood before I wrote my email .

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Tim
On Mon, 2011-08-08 at 09:42 +0200, Andras Simon wrote: > w3c's html validator is unlikely to signal problems with your > javascript (and no validator could if the problem is not a syntactic > one). I'll go further and say that it won't. It's not just unlikely. It looks at HTML not JavaScript.

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Paul Allen Newell writes: Community: I have @330 htm pages that display wonderfully on Win XP under 4.01 Strict. No errors per w3C validator. They won't even come close to proper display on Fedora 14. I can get them validated successfully on F14 through w3c Validator, but I am seeing error con

Re: html on Fedora -- looking for "where to go"

2011-08-08 Thread Andras Simon
2011/8/8, Paul Allen Newell : > Community: > > I have @330 htm pages that display wonderfully on Win XP under 4.01 > Strict. No errors per w3C validator. > > They won't even come close to proper display on Fedora 14. I can get > them validated successfully on F14 through w3c Validator, but I am > s