Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 08:48 -0400, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > Yes. You are saying that it is ok for cron to be depended on an > MTA. that no MDA is available that does this correctly. That "out > of the box" cron is lessed on a workstation that really should not > need an MTA. I don't think it i

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 5/11/20 8:41 AM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 2020-05-11 20:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: The biggie is no DATE: header.  And the MTA can only apply a DATE: header for the time it received the cron output.  The time the cron task started is lost.  This is a bug in cron from day 1, it seems and I wi

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 5/10/20 11:51 PM, Ed Greshko wrote: On 2020-05-11 11:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I almost have it... On 5/10/20 7:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I have been digging for how to do today and found something interesting: Back in Fedora 20, there was no MTA! https://www.mhonarc.org/archive

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-11 20:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > The biggie is no DATE: header.  And the MTA can only apply a DATE: header for > the time it received the cron output.  The time the cron task started is > lost.  This is a bug in cron from day 1, it seems and I will be submitting  > this whole sheban

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 5/11/20 8:14 AM, Tim via users wrote: On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 17:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: I also think it is a good idea to see the format of what procmail is getting from cron and comparing it to what ends up delivered by an MTA such as postfix. From egreshko . is missing along with

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-11 20:14, Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 17:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> I also think it is a good idea to see the format of what procmail is >> getting from cron and comparing it to what ends up delivered by an >> MTA such as postfix. >> >> From egreshko . is missing

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 17:43 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > I also think it is a good idea to see the format of what procmail is > getting from cron and comparing it to what ends up delivered by an > MTA such as postfix. > > From egreshko . is missing along with > Return-Path: > Delivered-To: > Rec

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-11 17:20, Tim via users wrote: > On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 16:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: >> It is then the MTA, in my case postfix, which adds the additional >> headers. > I always thought they did that, anyway. > > e.g. My mail client *could* send a date with a message, and the email > pro

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 16:59 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > It is then the MTA, in my case postfix, which adds the additional > headers. I always thought they did that, anyway. e.g. My mail client *could* send a date with a message, and the email program *could* add a date to an undated message, or re

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-11 15:45, Ed Greshko wrote: > > I'm also confused by the need to create headers before feeding anything to > procmail since > cron generate a fully formatted mail message as noted in the -m option. > OK, I cleared up my confusion on this one.  I set -m of crond to a script that saved

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-11 15:34, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 11May2020 11:51, Ed Greshko wrote: >> Just want to make sure you saw my response to your original post Subject: >> user crontab? >> >> The MTA has to be running in order for mail from cron to be processed. > > Robert doesn't want to put an MTA in.

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-11 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 11May2020 11:51, Ed Greshko wrote: Just want to make sure you saw my response to your original post Subject: user crontab? The MTA has to be running in order for mail from cron to be processed. Robert doesn't want to put an MTA in. It looks like the cron -m argument lets you specify the

Re: formail - Re: Fedora 32 no MTA, CRON output and procmail

2020-05-10 Thread Ed Greshko
On 2020-05-11 11:33, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I almost have it... > > On 5/10/20 7:03 PM, Robert Moskowitz wrote: >> I have been digging for how to do today and found something interesting: >> >> Back in Fedora 20, there was no MTA! >> >> https://www.mhonarc.org/archive/html/procmail/2014-01/msg00