Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-04 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Doug H. writes: 3. Delete the "rescue" stuff in /boot and /boot/loader/entries/ We should have a canned wrapper for this. We already have dnf config-manager --set-enabled repo to simply flip a single character in a .conf file. It will be helpful in avoiding typos to have something similar,

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-04 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Fri, Jun 04, 2021 at 07:35:54AM -0700, Doug H. wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote: On my 3 systems, F34, F34, and CentOS7, they are 1, 2, and 6 years old respectively. Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) Are there automated or manual procedures to update

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-04 Thread Doug H.
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021, at 11:20 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote: > On my 3 systems, F34, F34, and CentOS7, they are > 1, 2, and 6 years old respectively. > > Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) > > Are there automated or manual procedures to update > a rescue kernel? > > Are there best practice

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-04 Thread George N. White III
On Fri, 4 Jun 2021 at 02:51, Jon LaBadie wrote: > On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 03:48:29PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > > But I believe POC's point was not about BTRFS specifically, > but that something could have changed over the years to make > an old rescue kernel unusable. > > If you accept that premis

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-04 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2021-06-04 at 14:46 +0930, Tim via users wrote: > On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 17:23 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > > What I would like to see is (a) an initramfs that can boot a > > graphical stack (b) contains the Live OS dracut modules (c) and > > overlayfs, and wire it up so that the rescue boot

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-04 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 3:19 PM Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 12:51 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > > On 6/3/21 12:20 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote: > > > > > > Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) > > > > They're still just as useful as they were when they were installed. > > O

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 05:23:20PM -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 12:20 PM Jon LaBadie wrote: On my 3 systems, F34, F34, and CentOS7, they are 1, 2, and 6 years old respectively. Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) They might be useful to a sysadmin, I think

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Jon LaBadie
On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 03:48:29PM -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: On 6/3/21 3:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Surely an old rescue kernel may not be able to mount a BTRFS filesystem? BTRFS has been a fully stable part of the kernel since 2013. How old is your rescue kernel? Close, one system's r

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 17:23 -0600, Chris Murphy wrote: > What I would like to see is (a) an initramfs that can boot a > graphical stack (b) contains the Live OS dracut modules (c) and > overlayfs, and wire it up so that the rescue boot entry does a read- > only sysroot boot + writable overlay like

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Chris Murphy
On Thu, Jun 3, 2021 at 12:20 PM Jon LaBadie wrote: > > On my 3 systems, F34, F34, and CentOS7, they are > 1, 2, and 6 years old respectively. > > Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) They might be useful to a sysadmin, I think they are useless. The rescue kernel is really just a "no h

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 6/3/21 3:54 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: It was a theoretical question. My rescue kernel is recent. As I expected. I answered the way I did as a form of reducto ad absurdum. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 15:48 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 6/3/21 3:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Surely an old rescue kernel may not be able to mount a BTRFS > > filesystem? > > BTRFS has been a fully stable part of the kernel since 2013.  How old > is > your rescue kernel? It was a theore

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 6/3/21 3:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Surely an old rescue kernel may not be able to mount a BTRFS filesystem? BTRFS has been a fully stable part of the kernel since 2013. How old is your rescue kernel? ___ users mailing list -- users@lists

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2021-06-03 at 12:51 -0600, Joe Zeff wrote: > On 6/3/21 12:20 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote: > > > > Are old rescue kernels still useful?  (6 years?) > > They're still just as useful as they were when they were installed.  > Of > course, that means that any function that was added later isn't > t

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread old sixpack13
> On 6/3/21 11:20 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote: > > If you delete the rescue kernel and initrd, they will be recreated the > next time you install a kernel. [KlugscheissMode on] what is only valide when: - no one has changed the default "yes" to "no" in /usr/lib/dracut/dracut.conf.d/02-rescue.conf - a

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Lester M Petrie
On 6/3/21 2:33 PM, Matthew Miller wrote: On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 02:20:33PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: On my 3 systems, F34, F34, and CentOS7, they are 1, 2, and 6 years old respectively. Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) Yes -- they will let you boot into the system. The resc

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 6/3/21 11:20 AM, Jon LaBadie wrote: Are there automated or manual procedures to update a rescue kernel? If you delete the rescue kernel and initrd, they will be recreated the next time you install a kernel. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.f

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Joe Zeff
On 6/3/21 12:20 PM, Jon LaBadie wrote: Are old rescue kernels still useful?  (6 years?) They're still just as useful as they were when they were installed. Of course, that means that any function that was added later isn't there, but that doesn't matter because you're only going to use it i

Re: does rescue kernel ever update

2021-06-03 Thread Matthew Miller
On Thu, Jun 03, 2021 at 02:20:33PM -0400, Jon LaBadie wrote: > On my 3 systems, F34, F34, and CentOS7, they are > 1, 2, and 6 years old respectively. > > Are old rescue kernels still useful? (6 years?) Yes -- they will let you boot into the system. The rescue initrd includes all available drivers