Re: balsa

2016-06-17 Thread Tim
Peter Bloomfield: >> That all looks pretty harmless. I've seen similar Gtk-WARNINGS, with >> no obvious issues. The "No cache..." message is normal for the first >> time an IMAP folder is used, and "quitting" isn't serious. >> >> I don't see anything that would lead to problems. Bob Goodwin:

Re: balsa

2016-06-16 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 06/16/16 14:15:10, Peter Bloomfield wrote: Hi Bob, On 06/16/2016 06:35:06 AM Thu, Bob Goodwin wrote: I just went through the Balsa setup routine on an up to date Fedora 24 beta vm on the same computer I have been working on with the following errors from debug. Note: I now have balsa

Re: balsa

2016-06-16 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 06/16/16 06:51, Ed Greshko wrote: On 06/16/16 18:35, Bob Goodwin wrote: >(balsa:30114): Gtk-WARNING **: Allocating size to GtkSeparatorToolItem 0x559103114560 >without calling gtk_widget_get_preferred_width/height(). >How does the code know the size to allocate? >No cache for mail.messaginge

Re: balsa

2016-06-16 Thread Ed Greshko
On 06/16/16 18:35, Bob Goodwin wrote: > (balsa:30114): Gtk-WARNING **: Allocating size to GtkSeparatorToolItem > 0x559103114560 > without calling gtk_widget_get_preferred_width/height(). > How does the code know the size to allocate? > No cache for mail.messagingengine.com - quitting. > Message:

Re: balsa

2016-06-16 Thread Bob Goodwin
I just went through the Balsa setup routine on an up to date Fedora 24 beta vm on the same computer I have been working on with the following errors from debug. Note: I now have balsa running on three computers and I believe they all work properly, two desktops and a Dell notebook, all Fe

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2016-06-07 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/27/16 20:56, Ed Greshko wrote: There is one thing you may want to consider to make your life and the life of those trying to help a bit easier. As a "Wildblue" customer are you allowed more than one email account with your subscription? If the answer is "yes" you may want to think about

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2016-05-27 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/28/16 06:23, Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 05/27/16 15:37, Samuel Sieb wrote: >>> >> You're right, I didn't explain what stunnel did. I suppose I expect people >> to >> investigate before running commands given by strangers. :-) > + > > As a frequent contributor to this list you have acquired a

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2016-05-27 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/27/16 15:37, Samuel Sieb wrote: You're right, I didn't explain what stunnel did. I suppose I expect people to investigate before running commands given by strangers. :-) + As a frequent contributor to this list you have acquired a good degree of credibility among those of us who need

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2016-05-27 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/27/2016 12:58 AM, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 10:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: Please follow the thread. He was getting a command error when connecting with pop3s. I gave him a stunnel configuration so that he could use wireshark to see what the command is. stunnel will do the ssl p

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2016-05-27 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 10:34 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > Please follow the thread. He was getting a command error when > connecting with pop3s. I gave him a stunnel configuration so that he > could use wireshark to see what the command is. stunnel will do the > ssl part, so he needs to connect

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2016-05-27 Thread Tim
Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> Note that connecting to Gmail may require you to set up the account >> with Gnome-Online-Accounts (GOA) because of recent changes in Google's >> authentication policies, i.e. just inserting your password in Balsa may >> not be enough Bob Goodwin: > Hmm, perhaps there

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2016-05-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/26/2016 04:23 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: There's a screenshot here: https://imagebin.ca/v/2iX1ciaZYak6 You're watching the wrong interface. You're getting the stunnel traffic to the mail server. You need to listen on the loopback interface. -- users mailing list users@lists.fedoraproject.o

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2016-05-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/26/16 18:28, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/26/2016 02:46 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 05/26/16 16:00, Samuel Sieb wrote: It's still trying to do ssl. Make sure the protocol is set to pop3, not pop3s and make sure there are no ssl checkboxes set. -- In setup there is only one box for SSL and t

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2016-05-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/26/2016 02:46 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 05/26/16 16:00, Samuel Sieb wrote: It's still trying to do ssl. Make sure the protocol is set to pop3, not pop3s and make sure there are no ssl checkboxes set. -- In setup there is only one box for SSL and that is checked. Right, that needs to b

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2016-05-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/26/16 16:00, Samuel Sieb wrote: It's still trying to do ssl. Make sure the protocol is set to pop3, not pop3s and make sure there are no ssl checkboxes set. -- In setup there is only one box for SSL and that is checked. Here are the first few lines from /home/bobg/.balsa.config. This

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2016-05-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/26/2016 12:48 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: I set things, name, password, etc, back to Wildblue except for the server localhost:110 Balsa protests: POP3 Error: Could not set up SSL when I click "Check." This is a screenshot: https://imagebin.ca/v/2iW1LpVm2gMg And I attached the data file it sa

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2016-05-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/26/16 13:36, Samuel Sieb wrote: No, set the username and password to what you need for the server you're connecting to. In this case, it's wildblue. The purpose of this setup was so that you could use wireshark on the localhost interface to see what command error you were getting. If

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2016-05-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/26/2016 10:12 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 05/26/16 12:38, Samuel Sieb wrote: Are you trying to connect to wildblue or gmail? The stunnel configuration was setup to connect to wildblue to see what the command error was. So you need to set your username and password to be whatever you use

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2016-05-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/26/2016 10:06 AM, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 26 May 2016, Samuel Sieb sent: use pop3, not pop3s as the protocol. That'll only work if the service provider has POP3 enabled. Their help page didn't list anything but secure connections. So, a failure to use POP3 has to be assessed

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2016-05-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/26/16 12:38, Samuel Sieb wrote: Are you trying to connect to wildblue or gmail? The stunnel configuration was setup to connect to wildblue to see what the command error was. So you need to set your username and password to be whatever you use for wildblue, but set the server to be lo

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2016-05-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/26/16 12:49, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: Note that connecting to Gmail may require you to set up the account with Gnome-Online-Accounts (GOA) because of recent changes in Google's authentication policies, i.e. just inserting your password in Balsa may not be enough (though I'm not a Balsa us

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2016-05-26 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 26 May 2016, Samuel Sieb sent: > use pop3, not pop3s as the protocol. That'll only work if the service provider has POP3 enabled. Their help page didn't list anything but secure connections. So, a failure to use POP3 has to be assessed with that in mind. -- [tim@localho

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2016-05-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2016-05-26 at 09:38 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > On 05/26/2016 09:21 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > > > Ok, this produces output but I'm not sure how to configure balsa? > > "set > > Balsa to use localhost:110 as the incoming mail server" is clear > > enough > > but I left the rest as I would s

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2016-05-26 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/26/2016 09:21 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: Ok, this produces output but I'm not sure how to configure balsa? "set Balsa to use localhost:110 as the incoming mail server" is clear enough but I left the rest as I would set it for gmail.com and I suspect that is not right since the output doesn't se

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2016-05-26 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/20/16 16:47, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/20/2016 12:00 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: So I tried mail.wildblue.net:995 fir the incoming server address, still get ERR: Invalid Command when I "check" incoming mail. In that case, you are definitely using pop3s which would make using wireshark a lot mo

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2016-05-25 Thread Tim
On Wed, 2016-05-25 at 05:21 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Your suggestion of Fastmail.com or something similar looks like a > possible solution if we can endure the address change. I will consider > trying that. Sounds like it's time to do something like it. You've mentioned years of annoying chan

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-25 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/25/16 02:20, Tim wrote: Allegedly, on or about 24 May 2016, Bob Goodwin sent: I have tried to respond to this message a number of times without success due, at least in part, to problems with my ISP's email system, presently when I try to send that particular responding message to the list

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2016-05-24 Thread Tim
Allegedly, on or about 24 May 2016, Bob Goodwin sent: > I have tried to respond to this message a number of times without > success due, at least in part, to problems with my ISP's email system, > presently when I try to send that particular responding message to the > list via gmail instead of

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-24 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/22/16 05:05, Tim wrote: Tim: >>I've uploaded some screenshots from my installation, here: >>http://imgur.com/a/f11EE + I have tried to respond to this message a number of times without success due, at least in part, to problems with my ISP's email system, presently when I try to send t

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2016-05-22 Thread Tim
Tim: >> I've uploaded some screenshots from my installation, here: >> http://imgur.com/a/f11EE Bob Goodwin: > Similar but different, not as ornate, display. I have only two > options, POP3 or IMAP, choose pop3, and a check box for SSL. > > See: https://imagebin.ca/v/2hwHRtnmI5hU > Okay, that's

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2016-05-21 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/21/16 05:34, Tim wrote: Tim: The bottom half is where you set up the sending servers (SMTP). Again, you get to give the configurations a name for your own purposes, the server address (with a colon between address and the port number), the login name and password, and some other options.

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2016-05-21 Thread Tim
Tim: >> The bottom half is where you set up the sending servers (SMTP). >> Again, you get to give the configurations a name for your own >> purposes, the server address (with a colon between address and the >> port number), the login name and password, and some other options. Bob Goodwin: > yes

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-20 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/21/16 08:21, Bob Goodwin wrote: > > wireshark protests: "port 110" isn't a valid display filter: "110" was > unexpected in this context. You are entering that in the wrong place. You want to be in "Capture Options", which can be reached by clicking on the second icon on the left which is

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-20 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/20/16 18:58, Samuel Sieb wrote: It's possible that the Fedora maintainer may have added patches, but in this case, there are none. Ok, I was grasping at a straw there. "Start wireshark and listen to the localhost interface with the filter rule "port 110"." I'm having trouble doing th

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2016-05-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/20/2016 02:43 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: On 05/20/16 16:47, Samuel Sieb wrote: What difference will that make? It will still be the same software and it seems to be more of a configuration issue. . I believe applications provided by dnf can have changes that may not exist when obtained from

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2016-05-20 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/20/16 16:47, Samuel Sieb wrote: What difference will that make? It will still be the same software and it seems to be more of a configuration issue. . I believe applications provided by dnf can have changes that may not exist when obtained from other sources? In order for you to find o

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-20 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/20/2016 12:00 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: So I tried mail.wildblue.net:995 fir the incoming server address, still get ERR: Invalid Command when I "check" incoming mail. In that case, you are definitely using pop3s which would make using wireshark a lot more difficult. See below for a solution

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-20 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/20/16 13:15, Tim wrote: --- I've just installed Balsa, on my out-of-date system, to have a play, and got it working within a couple of minutes of fiddling. I had to manually create a /var/spool/mail/timtesting file to make it happy, as root, then chown tim:mail /var/spool/mail/

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2016-05-20 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 12:15 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > After adding my username via gedit on the bottom line of > "config-private" below, sending a message from balsa compose requested > a password and the message is received by Thunderbird. I then checked > remember password too. > > [bobg@Bo

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-20 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/20/16 10:41, Tim wrote: Perhaps there is >something in the configuration that I am missing and what is being >sent is not what I expect. Okay, after looking back through the thread, is wildblue.net different from your ISP? They may require you to authenticate with them as one of their use

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2016-05-20 Thread Tim
On Fri, 2016-05-20 at 10:13 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I sent test messages to my usual e-mail address, e.g. > bobgood...@wildblue.net or my working gmail address, both entered via > the balsa "compose" and/or set-up GUI. However this leaves me > wondering about what my ISP is actually getting.

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2016-05-20 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/20/16 03:57, Tim wrote: On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 12:23 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: >I haven't been able to make any sense out of the wireshark data yet >but this morning I tried again from gnome instead of xfce, the problem >remains the same, however trying to send a test message from Balsa >pr

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 13:35 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I subscribed to a balsa list a week or more ago but got no response > and saw no activity there at all. You might want to give the list the details, in case it's been superseded, and someone here knows the alternative. -- tim@localhost ~]$

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2016-05-20 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 12:23 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I haven't been able to make any sense out of the wireshark data yet > but this morning I tried again from gnome instead of xfce, the problem > remains the same, however trying to send a test message from Balsa > produced an error: > > "Bals

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-19 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/19/16 13:21, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: If it works with other mail clients (e.g. Thunderbird) then it's a configuration issue. I can't help you with Balsa config, but I presume your ISP has a help page on what you need to set up. poc . Yes, but I have probably set up e-mail accounts on T

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2016-05-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 13:01 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > On 05/19/16 12:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Balsa   Relaying refused550: Relaying Refused > > > >  Message left in your Outbox." > > > > > > > > > > > > Which once more makes me wonder if it is som

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2016-05-19 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/19/16 12:37, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >"Balsa Relaying refused550: Relaying Refused > Message left in your Outbox." > > >Which once more makes me wonder if it is something my ISP is doing >that >causes the no-connect problem? Looks like your ISP has a no-relay policy, whic

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2016-05-19 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Thu, 2016-05-19 at 12:23 -0400, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I haven't been able to make any sense out of the wireshark data yet > but  > this morning I tried again from gnome instead of xfce, the problem  > remains the same, however trying to send a test message from Balsa  > produced an error: > > "B

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2016-05-19 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/18/16 07:55, g wrote: Dunno where to start ... > ===> hello Bob. from main menu; Edit > Preferences > Capture also, look at "Name Resolution", decide what address numbers you want resolved. hth. . I haven't been able to make any sense out of the wireshark data yet but this m

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2016-05-18 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/18/16 21:36, Bob Goodwin wrote: > Edit > Preferences > Capture > > I set to Ethernet port, seems like that ought to show everything? > > Default Interface: enp1s0 > > I would like it to show data for "mail.wildblue.net." Don't see where to tell > it that ... In the "Capture Options" yo

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2016-05-18 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/18/16 07:55, g wrote: On 05/18/2016 03:44 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: <<<>>> Ok, I have wireshark installed now but using it appears to be a formidable task! First it wants an interface and I have not been able to satisfy that? Dunno where to start ... ===> hello Bob. from main menu;

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2016-05-18 Thread g
On 05/18/2016 03:44 AM, Bob Goodwin wrote: <<<>>> > Ok, I have wireshark installed now but using it appears to be a > formidable task! First it wants an interface and I have not been able to > satisfy that? > > Dunno where to start ... > ===> hello Bob. from main menu; Edit > Preference

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2016-05-18 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/17/16 20:33, Samuel Sieb wrote: On 05/17/2016 02:37 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: When I click on "Check" it says it is checking the mail at "POP3: mail.wildblue.net" but then produces "ERR Invalid Command" That sounds like Balsa is sending a command that your pop server isn't understanding. T

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2016-05-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 05/17/2016 02:37 PM, Bob Goodwin wrote: When I click on "Check" it says it is checking the mail at "POP3: mail.wildblue.net" but then produces "ERR Invalid Command" That sounds like Balsa is sending a command that your pop server isn't understanding. Try using wireshark to see what it is.

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2016-05-17 Thread Bob Goodwin
On 05/12/16 06:38, Ed Greshko wrote: FWIW, I installed balsa on a VM and was able to collect mails from gmail. . Well I think I have tried everything suggested without much success. When I click on "Check" it says it is checking the mail at "POP3: mail.wildblue.net" but then produces "ERR In

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-12 Thread Tim
On Thu, 2016-05-12 at 10:48 -0400, Tony Nelson wrote: > if you have another email account to check from another provider, try > it (even if it won't have any mail). To test email on-demand, send yourself emails. -- tim@localhost ~]$ uname -rsvp Linux 3.19.8-100.fc20.i686 #1 SMP Tue May 12 17:4

Re: Balsa -

2016-05-12 Thread Tony Nelson
On 16-05-12 03:53:49, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I have installed Balsa in this updated Fedora 23 computer, it runs but > will not connect to the mail server. > > I can click on "check" and it appears to be checking for mail but > produces an error message ending in "ERR Invalid Command." I've been >

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2016-05-12 Thread Ed Greshko
On 05/12/16 15:53, Bob Goodwin wrote: > I have installed Balsa in this updated Fedora 23 computer, it runs but will > not connect > to the mail server. > > I can click on "check" and it appears to be checking for mail but produces an > error > message ending in "ERR Invalid Command." I've been

Re: balsa users: seeing wrong icons in balsa main window?

2010-12-07 Thread Tony Nelson
On 10-12-07 13:15:20, Tony Nelson wrote: > Are other balsa users seeing wrong or missing icons in the balsa main > window toolbar or message status columns? > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=660732 The bug is fixed by balsa-2.4.9-1.fc14 which is now in updates-testing (but wasn't w

Re: balsa users: balsa vanishes during use?

2010-12-07 Thread Alan Cox
On Tue, 07 Dec 2010 13:20:29 -0500 Tony Nelson wrote: > Do other balsa users find balsa vanishing during use at unpredictable > times? I had to rebuild balsa --without-threads to make it stable in > F12, and (as I just got it working at all again) I've done the same on > F14. If it happens t