Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-18 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2017-01-18 at 00:42 +, James Hogarth wrote: > On 17 Jan 2017 10:44 pm, "Greg Woods" wrote: > > > On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > > > I really don't care about the performance of Windows. I > > > Up to a point, I don't either. But the performance is so bad u

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Wed, 18 Jan 2017 00:42:52 + James Hogarth wrote: > Actually if that's a win7 VM you are doing it's nothing to do with being a > VM but rather that the updates process is semi broken from a clean SP1 > install. I remember a Windows 10 update that broke all updates as well. If you happened t

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread James Hogarth
On 17 Jan 2017 10:44 pm, "Greg Woods" wrote: On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > I really don't care about the performance of Windows. I Up to a point, I don't either. But the performance is so bad under KVM that I cannot even successfully run Windows Update, it takes too

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 01/17/2017 08:01 AM, ProPAAS DBA wrote: I'm running Fedora 25 on a laptop with 16GB of ram. I'm frustrated with the VMware workstation reliably breaking every 2 to 3 kernel updates and sometimes with no reasonable fix in sight for some time. Not the end of the world and I get the reasons behin

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 15:42:16 -0700 Greg Woods wrote: > Up to a point, I don't either. But the performance is so bad under KVM that > I cannot even successfully run Windows Update, it takes too long to search > for updates and eventually times out If you look on windows forums, I think you'll find

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 3:23 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > I really don't care about the performance of Windows. I Up to a point, I don't either. But the performance is so bad under KVM that I cannot even successfully run Windows Update, it takes too long to search for updates and eventually times

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Rick Stevens
On 01/17/2017 02:08 PM, ProPAAS DBA wrote: > Hi All; > > I'll try and answer all the questions: > > Why are you expecting stability when the host OS you are using is > betaware? Use CentOS as your host OS and you might get better results. > I use Fedora for the eye-candy, and the fact that the st

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread ProPAAS DBA
Hi All; I'll try and answer all the questions: Why are you expecting stability when the host OS you are using is betaware? Use CentOS as your host OS and you might get better results. I use Fedora for the eye-candy, and the fact that the stuff I most often use just works. I understand that it'

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 17 Jan 2017 12:54:46 -0700 Greg Woods wrote: > when running > non-Linux VMs (such as Windows 7) under KVM on Fedora, the VMs perform like > crap, so I always end up installing VirtualBox. If you go to the trouble of digging up the different virtio disk and network drivers and QXL video dr

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Greg Woods
On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 9:01 AM, ProPAAS DBA wrote: > - does anyone have experiences good and bad with KVM? We use it a lot here at work and it works quite well for us (under CentOS 7), but all our VMs are also Linux. In my experience at home, when running non-Linux VMs (such as Windows 7) unde

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread George N. White III
On 17 January 2017 at 12:01, ProPAAS DBA wrote: > Hi All; > > > I'm running Fedora 25 on a laptop with 16GB of ram. I'm frustrated with > the VMware workstation reliably breaking every 2 to 3 kernel updates and > sometimes with no reasonable fix in sight for some time. Not the end of the > world

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Gordon Messmer
On 01/17/2017 08:01 AM, ProPAAS DBA wrote: - does anyone have experiences good and bad with KVM? Any gotcha's or common issues I should be aware of? I've been using KVM exclusively since Red Hat stopped shipping Xen dom0 kernels. It works the way I expect it to and hasn't given me any grief

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Joe Wulf
I use a mixture of VMware Workstation on Linux and KVM both at home and at work. One PRO for VMware Workstation is the existing library of VMs which serve various purposes.  Regenerating or rebuilding them all over again, as well as protecting the infrastructure of unique/local configurations wou

Re: VMware Workstation vs KVM

2017-01-17 Thread Kam Leo
Why are you expecting stability when the host OS you are using is betaware? Use CentOS as your host OS and you might get better results. On Tue, Jan 17, 2017 at 8:01 AM, ProPAAS DBA wrote: > Hi All; > > > I'm running Fedora 25 on a laptop with 16GB of ram. I'm frustrated with > the VMware workst