Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-22 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2022-03-21 at 14:55 -0700, Samuel Sieb wrote: > Tim, you replied to this email previously. What did Evolution do > with it when you tried to reply? Just confirming that you're referring to his email with message id: 4cd89656f28227f26e2609705bc02285164f4ce2.ca...@cwm030.com (though that m

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-21 Thread Joe Zeff
e On 3/21/22 15:55, Samuel Sieb wrote: That previous line with "--" is a standard marker that indicates that anything following it is part of the signature. To be more accurate, the .sig seperator is "-- " on an otherwise empty line, and the space is part of the string. If you're leaving it o

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-21 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 3/9/22 09:48, c. marlow wrote: On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 11:48 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the server. 

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Mar2022 02:17, Tim wrote: >How much trust do you put in gmail in getting this automatic >categorising correct? Me, not much. But my suggestion for writing a filter on a catgeory to apply a label was aimed at making the categories visible is IMAP folders for Neal's purposes. Cheers, Camero

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread Barry
> On 12 Mar 2022, at 17:59, George N. White III wrote: > > If they change the entry in the subject line it is easy to notice. This list is one that only list-id will help with. Personally I do not like subject line prefix as that means the useful subject text is pushed to the right. Barry

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 12:24, c. marlow wrote: > On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 12:04 -0400, George N. White III wrote: > > With gmail I filter lists using the subject line when the list puts > > something like "[list-name]" in the subject, or other header > > data, but some list messages still show up in

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread c. marlow
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 12:04 -0400, George N. White III wrote: > With gmail I filter lists using the subject line when the list puts > something like "[list-name]" in the subject, or other header  > data, but some list messages still show up in unexpected places. -- Its better to filter list's by

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread George N. White III
On Sat, 12 Mar 2022 at 11:47, Tim via users wrote: > On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > > You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this > > maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a > > folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this > maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a > folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call > categories that auto-categorizes mail: inb

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this > maillist, > which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder.  > In > addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that > auto-categorizes mail:

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread Neal Becker
You can (and I do) make my own filters in gmail for e.g., this maillist, which moves it into a folder and is reflected in IMAP as a folder. In addition, gmail has an orthogonal system they call categories that auto-categorizes mail: inbox, social, updates, formus, promotions. This is not reflecte

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-12 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 14:08 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 22:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Actually it's the other way round. Gmail only has labels. It > > doesn't > > have folders, but in most cases labels can be treated as folders. > > It certainly behaves like i

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-11 Thread Tim via users
On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 22:47 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Actually it's the other way round. Gmail only has labels. It doesn't > have folders, but in most cases labels can be treated as folders. It certainly behaves like it does. I can make folders in Gmail using Evolution, and they appear

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2022-03-12 at 08:30 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > On 08Mar2022 07:22, Neal Becker wrote: > > I've never used evolution, but decided to try it.  This time speed > > to > > sync > > was much more acceptable.  But there is one barrier to using > > evolution over > > gmail web interface.  G

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-11 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 08Mar2022 07:22, Neal Becker wrote: >I've never used evolution, but decided to try it. This time speed to >sync >was much more acceptable. But there is one barrier to using evolution over >gmail web interface. Gmail sorts mail automatically into "categories", >distinct from the mail folders

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-11 Thread Tim via users
Chris: >> Now, I just have Evolution sort the emails into folders on the IMAP >> server as they come in. POC: > That's what I do. It simplifies things rather than having two filter > regimes fighting each other, though there may be some use cases where > Evo's filtering would be a better fit. Two

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-11 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Fri, 2022-03-11 at 06:18 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > On Thu, 2022-03-10 at 12:51 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > I don't understand the purpose of that rule.  New mail will always > > go > > into your inbox.  Are you moving things from one inbox to another > > inbox? > > > > > > Someone on this

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-11 Thread c. marlow
On Thu, 2022-03-10 at 12:51 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > I don't understand the purpose of that rule.  New mail will always go > into your inbox.  Are you moving things from one inbox to another > inbox? > > Someone on this list replied and said they set their accounts up as IMAP, but move thei

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-09 Thread Tim via users
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 11:48 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > If I create a rule in Evolution: > > MATCHES ALL RULES BELOW > ACCOUNT: AccountNameHere > APPLIES TO ALL MAIL > MOVE TO: "INBOX ON THIS PC" I don't understand the purpose of that rule. New mail will always go into your inbox. Are you moving

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-09 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 11:48 -0500, Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other > tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to > Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the server.  All > filtered mail is moved

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:45 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > Oh, is that what you're supposed to do? > > That's the correct way of using gmail with IMAP? oops No. It's a thing you can do, it's not the way someone must do it. > Whatever email client I am in, I just make a rule > > If users@lists.f

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 10:16 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > So I tried what you said: > > Created a folder called TEST > opened up Nautilus into a small window > then opened the TEST FOLDER in Evo > and brought back up Nautilius and dragged that .mbox file into the > TEST FOLDER > > Wow, that works so

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:09 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > But there's one thing I cant stand about GMAIL imap, and that is when > you go to delete a email and you tap the delete key, the emails get > moved to [GMAIL/TRASH]. And when you go to look for something under > ALL MAIL, Emails that you wanted

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:09 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > > I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy. > > > > I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail.  > > Triggered by this discussion, I tried again to use kmai

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 09:45 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > I've had a play with labels in Evolution.  The first label you make > > becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours > > them > > is up to it.  It doesn't matter w

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 13:40 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is > > going > > to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this > > via > > its own non-standard

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 08:06 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > Before any of this happened, I did a complete reset of Evo: > > https://www.reddit.com/r/gnome/comments/sy460m/evolution_reset/ Without examining this in detail, I'd advise using the Evolution list rather than Reddit. You're much more likely t

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread c. marlow
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 10:16 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > I  thought that I had a idea on what you were talking about, but I > kinda didn't have a clue on what you were talking about so I took a > chance: > > So I tried what you said: > > Created a folder called TEST > > opened up Nautilus into a sm

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread c. marlow
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:52 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > I wonder if it was just taking a while (too long) to process them > before showing the list. > > For what it's worth, I didn't bother with using the import features > of > Evolution (when I changed OS installations a year or so ago).  I > f

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 08:06 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > Basically, I imported my emails from CLAWS to Evolution by: > > * Opening Claws > > * Selecting all emails in that one mailbox > > * Clicked the file menu > > * EXPORT TO MBOX FILE > > then imported the emails into Evo by selecting the file

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread c. marlow
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > > Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is > > going > > to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this > > via > > its own non-standard "magic". If they used IMAP labels it could > > perhaps be made t

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread c. marlow
On Wed, 2022-03-09 at 01:36 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > I've had a play with labels in Evolution.  The first label you make > becomes label 1, the next one label 2, and how your client colours > them > is up to it.  It doesn't matter what purpose you give them.  If you, > then, read the mail in a

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread c. marlow
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy. > > I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail.  > Triggered by this discussion, I tried again to use kmail with > gmail/imap.  But after waiting some hours for mail to

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 13:40 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > Although I haven't looked closely at this, I think the same is going > to happen with any desktop MUA, given that Gmail implements this via > its own non-standard "magic". If they used IMAP labels it could > perhaps be made to work, bu

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread c. marlow
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 11:56 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > Is this a question? If so, maybe you should consider asking on the > Evolution list. > > poc No, I was just saying its weird getting use to things again. I do have a question, but I know if I come over there I am going to get to

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-03-08 at 07:22 -0500, Neal Becker wrote: > I've never used evolution, but decided to try it.  This time speed to > sync > was much more acceptable.  But there is one barrier to using > evolution over > gmail web interface.  Gmail sorts mail automatically into > "categories", > distinct

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Neal Becker
I've tried to move away from gmail, but it's not easy. I've been a kde fan for years, and back in the day used kmail. Triggered by this discussion, I tried again to use kmail with gmail/imap. But after waiting some hours for mail to sync gave up. I've never used evolution, but decided to try it

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-08 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2022-03-07 at 17:36 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > Since I am using IMAP I am trying something different: > > Currently writing this email from within Evolution... > > I keep opening new emails and wanting to go to the right side of the > screen and click: > > SEND TO BROWSER... > > for HTM

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-07 Thread c. marlow
Since I am using IMAP I am trying something different: Currently writing this email from within Evolution... I keep opening new emails and wanting to go to the right side of the screen and click: SEND TO BROWSER... for HTML emails... This is weird! It's been a good while since I've used Evolu

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-03-07 Thread c. marlow
SO UPDATE: Since I have a domain host that allows me to point my email to be delivered to any email address that accepts mail. It's what they call a "Forwarding only service" I currently have my email pointed towards a brand new free Yahoo account. To date... Yahoo has the biggest storage lim

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-21 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> You could probably consolidate your gmail accounts (if you wanted >> to), or at least pull mail from one to the other (again if you >> wanted to). c. marlow: > using Gmail's fetch setting under webmail settings? Sounds right. I haven't explored their interface for ages, to see where they

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-21 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2022-02-21 at 07:05 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > I dont mind people coming to me OL... Until they say mean and hateful > things in their email. And then, you get a special filter set up in > your honor that has Claws silently delete your emails and not let me > know that you sent me something

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-21 Thread c. marlow
> I could of just had CPANEL forward all 5 of my email accounts to > the brand new gmail account, set that brand new gmail account up in > Claws as a POP account and then download everything that way I don't > have to wait for EACH IMAP account to update and then move the email > to the local fol

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-21 Thread c. marlow
For everyone: Just to follow up I wound up going back to POP and setting my email up like Robert Moskowitz I have Claws MOVE the emails to my local folders. I could of just had CPANEL forward all 5 of my email accounts to the brand new gmail account, set that brand new gmail account up in Claws

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-21 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 21 Feb 2022 09:37:25 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > I did that because I want to avoid receiving spam and private messages > from strangers on the list. Twenty-plus years of being on mailing > lists has taught me that they're full of nutters, and a prime cause of > masses of spam. And th

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2022-02-20 at 16:30 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > I am confused, if you don't check or fetch from this GMX account, > the how do you know when people have answered you? Oops, didn't finish before I hit send. They could also do what I do: Subscribe to the list with two addresses. Have lis

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread Tim via users
Ranjan Maitra wrote: >> I have a second email address for mailing lists, that I never check >> or fetch from, but use to email to mailing lists (yes, this one). c. marlow: > I am confused, if you don't check or fetch from this GMX account, > the how do you know when people have answered you?

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun Feb20'22 04:30:14PM, c. marlow wrote: > From: "c. marlow" > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 16:30:14 -0600 > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management > > On Sun,

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread c. marlow
On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 10:02:27 -0600 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I have a second email address for mailing lists, that I never check > or fetch from, but use to email to mailing lists (yes, this one). I am confused, if you don't check or fetch from this GMX account, the how do you know when peopl

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Sun Feb20'22 08:24:27PM, Community Support for Fedora Users wrote: > From: Tim via users > Date: Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:24:27 +1030 > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Cc: Tim > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Emai

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2022-02-20 at 08:28 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:24:27 +1030 > Tim via users wrote: > > > > IMAP does let your mail get properly flagged as read, replied to, > > etc, > > even if you do only use it in one device.  Remembering that /that/ > > one > > device may go throu

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread c. marlow
On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:24:27 +1030 Tim via users wrote: I forgot to answer the other parts of your email.. OOPS! > You could probably consolidate your gmail accounts (if you wanted to), > or at least pull mail from one to the other (again if you wanted to). using Gmail's fetch setting under w

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread c. marlow
On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 20:24:27 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > > IMAP does let your mail get properly flagged as read, replied to, etc, > even if you do only use it in one device. Remembering that /that/ one > device may go through several software updates over time, so local > handling of that kind

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-20 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2022-02-19 at 09:45 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > HostGator offers Google Workspaces but I don't want to have to move > 5 accounts to the new GW accounts and plus, just using HostGator's > default email service, I get unlimited accounts vs having to pay for > each one with GW. > > But then I

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-19 Thread c. marlow
So I've set my email up as IMAP... I've got kind of a special set up. Call me frugal.. Lol I set up CPANEL to forward my email to a brand new gmail address that I made. Only because I kinda like the whole gmail " label " system now. HostGator offers Google Workspaces but I don't want to have t

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-18 Thread Tim via users
On Thu, 2022-02-17 at 12:05 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > I am just afraid that using a MOVE command filter could cause some > emails to come up missing or something like that. There's always this approach: Download all mails to a mail spool file. Input that file into your new mail system. After all

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-17 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:00:15 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > ALL my filter rules use move, rarely copy. I just got done changing hosting companies from InterServer to HostGator, due to I.S. not sending me all of the emails from the lists that I am on. Like for instance.. I would see SO AND

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-16 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> This PC is the main file/mail/web-server, etc., so it runs >> something I don't have to update twice a year, even once a >> year would be seriously annoying. Yes, I know you shouldn't >> work on your server, but it's a small LAN, and I don't want to >> install yet another a computer. Chri

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-16 Thread c. marlow
On Wed, 16 Feb 2022 19:18:35 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > This PC is the main file/mail/web-server, etc., so it runs something I > don't have to update twice a year, even once a year would be seriously > annoying. Yes, I know you shouldn't work on your server, but it's a > small LAN, and I don't

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-16 Thread George N. White III
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 at 14:21, c. marlow wrote: > On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:12:45 + > Barry wrote: > > > Centos 7 is frozen to versions of packages from about 7 or 8 years > > ago. The whole point of centos is to support old versions of software > > for the long term. It’s not my choice for desk

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-16 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 19:18 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > I'm surprised that client software is kept so old, on purpose, it > really should only have itself to depend on, I can only imagine that > newer versions can't handle older system libraries.  Server software, > I fully understand.  Other thi

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-16 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 12:21 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > So basically CenTOS is another version of "Debian" basically? Debian > sticks with "older" software. No, it's a recompilation of Red Hat, RHEL. But, yes, it was a long-term install. Various distros had long-life versions as well as short-term

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-16 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Only because *this* PC is using CentOS 7, another one has Fedora. I >> don't think it should be *that* far out of date, but it is CentOS >> 7's current version. Patrick O'Callaghan: > It *is* that far out of date. > > You have the option of installing a Flatpak version (assuming this > w

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 15Feb2022 17:12, Barry Scott wrote: >Centos 7 is frozen to versions of packages from about 7 or 8 years ago. >The whole point of centos is to support old versions of software for the long >term. >It’s not my choice for desktop os because the apps are so old and hard >to get help with. CentOS

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 2/15/22 12:12, Barry wrote: On 15 Feb 2022, at 14:26, Tim via users wrote: On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 12:36 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: I can't answer that, except to say that the current version of Evolution is 3.42 and you seem to be using 3.28. That's roughly 7 years out of date. I

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread c. marlow
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 17:12:45 + Barry wrote: > Centos 7 is frozen to versions of packages from about 7 or 8 years > ago. The whole point of centos is to support old versions of software > for the long term. It’s not my choice for desktop os because the apps > are so old and hard to get help w

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Wed, 2022-02-16 at 00:55 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 12:36 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > I can't answer that, except to say that the current version of > > Evolution is 3.42 and you seem to be using 3.28. That's roughly 7 > > years out of date. In the interim the

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Barry
> On 15 Feb 2022, at 14:26, Tim via users wrote: > > On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 12:36 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: >> I can't answer that, except to say that the current version of >> Evolution is 3.42 and you seem to be using 3.28. That's roughly 7 >> years out of date. In the interim the roo

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread c. marlow
On Tue, 15 Feb 2022 18:39:38 +1030 Tim via users wrote: > As I step through any folders, I always see whatever's the lastest > collection of mail. If I want to check for new mail while in the > middle of a long reading session I can do that manually. It's less > annoying that suddenly having yo

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Tim via users
On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 12:36 +, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > I can't answer that, except to say that the current version of > Evolution is 3.42 and you seem to be using 3.28. That's roughly 7 > years out of date. In the interim the root website has changed: Only because *this* PC is using CentO

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-02-15 at 17:58 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Tim: > > > Manual, what manual?  Ha!  I just pressed F1 for help, it opened > > > my > > > web browser to:  https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.28 > > > Giving me: > > > > > >  Not Found > > >  The requested URL /users/evolution/3.28 w

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-15 Thread Tim via users
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 14:26 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > It's not Claws thats slow, its IMAP. Well, to be fair, it's not IMAP, but: Your network, their network, their mail server, how you use your mail client, and how their server and your client uses IMAP. It can be done efficiently, but some prog

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Manual, what manual? Ha! I just pressed F1 for help, it opened my >> web browser to: https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.28 >> Giving me: >> >> Not Found >> The requested URL /users/evolution/3.28 was not found on this >> server. Patrick O'Callaghan: > Recall that Evolution is a

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Slade Watkins
On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, at 1:15 PM, fed...@cwm030.com wrote: > And It's getting harder and harder for me to hop around and try new > email clients out when they come out being a..GET READY TO > CRINGE. POP3 user. AHH CRINGE... haha. > > I thought about making the change to IMAP, but o

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:21:37 -0600 Ranjan Maitra wrote: > I had similar issues with IMAP (for 2-3 hours) when I tried to move > to IMAP on a whim, and then, discretion being the better part of > valor, moved right back to POP3. > > I am pretty certain that I was not using IMAP correctly, but de

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:32:58 +0100 wwp wrote: > If you find CM slow here, don't try TB! ;-) > > > [snip] It's not Claws thats slow, its IMAP. > TB has support for the MH file format. This has to be tuned when you > create the account. Search the web! And is still currently considered

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread wwp
Hi Chris, On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:01:31 -0600 "c. marlow" wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:43:07 -0500 > Robert Moskowitz wrote: > > > > IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security > > features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with > > stories of maint

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Ranjan Maitra
On Mon Feb14'22 01:10:27PM, c. marlow wrote: > From: "c. marlow" > Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:10:27 -0600 > To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org > Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users > Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management > > Well..

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
Well.. I am reaping what I sew... I am starting to regret the change to IMAP. I just told Claws to move two emails from my cell phone company to another folder / label whatever you want to call it.. And the emails are not in that folder. I even went online to gmail.com and did a search for 2 wo

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 17:32:30 + Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 10:01 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > > I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because > > Claws > > checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered > > when I launch Claws. > >

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 2/14/22 11:59, c. marlow wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 11:48:47 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the se

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 10:01 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because > Claws > checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered when > I launch Claws. Checking every folder not a property of IMAP but of how you choose to access it.

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 08:02 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:00:20 +1100 > Cameron Simpson wrote: >   > > For those liking IMAP, there are definitely tools to keep your IMAP > > in sync with a local set of folders, allowing local email and also > > IMAP access. > > > > I am a Lin

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 11:48:47 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other > tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to > Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the server.  All > filtered mail is mo

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 2/14/22 11:01, c. marlow wrote: On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:43:07 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with stories of maintaining Eudora for their CEO for years after ther

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:43:07 -0500 Robert Moskowitz wrote: > IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security > features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with > stories of maintaining Eudora for their CEO for years after there > were other better choices, but

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Robert Moskowitz
On 2/11/22 13:15, fed...@cwm030.com wrote: Hi Ya'll, > > I know that there are, to me, seems like A LOT of email clients for > the linux world. > > And It's getting harder and harder for me to hop around and try new > email clients out when they come out being a..GET READY TO > CRING

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:40:16 -0500 John Mellor wrote: > That's actually a good reason to use IMAP instead, as the normal > behaviour is to download the headers and not the bodies.  You only > download the bodies on mails that you read, so unless you don't get > any spam or if you actually read

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread c. marlow
On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:00:20 +1100 Cameron Simpson wrote: > For those liking IMAP, there are definitely tools to keep your IMAP > in sync with a local set of folders, allowing local email and also > IMAP access. > I am a Linux N00B. I would love to know how to keep a copy of emails locally.

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 13:03 +0100, wwp wrote: > > That's actually a good reason to use IMAP instead, as the normal > > behaviour is to download the headers and not the bodies. You only > > download the bodies on mails that you read, so unless you don't get > > any spam or if you actually read every

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread wwp
Hello John, On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:40:16 -0500 John Mellor wrote: > On 2022-02-13 2:09 p.m., c. marlow wrote: > > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:54:16 +0100 > > wwp wrote: > > > >> Moreover, using IMAP will make > >> you dependent of remote resource and you must be online, the use of > >> IMAP accou

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 08:34 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote: > POP3's not great for that - there's only one serverside mail folder, > not > much state (I think you can mark things as read maybe - or maybe that > too is client side). _If_ you're keeping your email server side, IMAP > is > a better ch

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 22:03 -0500, John Mellor wrote: > I moved from fetchmail to Evolution, and initially thought it was > brilliant.  The only initial issues that I faced were in trying to > configure undocumented connectivity to Rogers (altered Yahoo) and > Google > upstream mail services.  E

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 11:33 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Manual, what manual?  Ha!  I just pressed F1 for help, it opened my > web > browser to:  https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.28 > Giving me: > >   Not Found >   The requested URL /users/evolution/3.28 was not found on this > server. R

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 12:58 -0600, c. marlow wrote: > > > Thus far, Evolution is the least-worst one I've found on Linux.<< > > You must of never had to use the Evolution mail group before.. > They're > quite rude over there. Basically, they give you the nice " GO RTFM" > for > replies, even thoug

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-14 Thread Tim via users
On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 22:03 -0500, John Mellor wrote: > I used fetchmail for a lot of years. Then one of my upstream email > servers switched to a modified and mostly-undocumented Yahoo > connection mechanism, and I could not find the correct connection > strings and ports to make it work, and wa

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-13 Thread Cameron Simpson
On 13Feb2022 18:15, Ranjan Maitra wrote: >I am tempted to send your IPO soaring. What/how does your pop3 tool >work? It seems to have only 4 lines of code, but I have no idea what it >can do:-) "pip install cs.pop3". All the code's in there. https://pypi.org/project/cs.pop3/ https://hg.sr.ht/~c

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-13 Thread John Mellor
On 2022-02-13 8:03 p.m., Tim via users wrote: Tim: Thus far, Evolution is the least-worst one I've found on Linux. I used fetchmail for a lot of years.  Then one of my upstream email servers switched to a modified and mostly-undocumented Yahoo connection mechanism, and I could not find the c

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-13 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Although you can leave mails on a server with POP3, and just read >> newer ones, it's not designed for that usage pattern. Wolfgang Pfeiffer: > `man fetchmail': > > - > -k | --keep > (Keyword: keep) > Keep retrieved messages on the remote mailserver. Normally, >

Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

2022-02-13 Thread Tim via users
Tim: >> Thus far, Evolution is the least-worst one I've found on Linux. Chris: > You must of never had to use the Evolution mail group before.. > They're quite rude over there. Basically, they give you the nice " GO > RTFM" for replies, even though you tried Googling your issue. > > " Go to HELP

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