On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 08:31:18 +, Frank Murphy wrote:
> Actually, I thought the line would make a good sig.
So did I.
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On 12/18/2012 03:16 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/18/2012 04:05 PM, Tim wrote:
These days, I try to avoid getting involved in fixing people's
computers, I liken it to being asked to clean out their blocked toilet
with bare hands.
I don't think I would use that analogy. After having cleaned out t
Tim:
>> These days, I try to avoid getting involved in fixing people's
>> computers, I liken it to being asked to clean out their blocked toilet
>> with bare hands.
Ed Greshko:
> I don't think I would use that analogy. After having cleaned out
> their toilet they're not likely to call you again e
On 12/18/2012 04:05 PM, Tim wrote:
> These days, I try to avoid getting involved in fixing people's
> computers, I liken it to being asked to clean out their blocked toilet
> with bare hands.
I don't think I would use that analogy. After having cleaned out their toilet
they're not likely to call
On Mon, 2012-12-17 at 17:23 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> well my sister installed Ubuntu a while back.,...(version
> 10.04) and because she couldn't get a grasp of the "Workspace"
> features and Unity she "scrapped the entire thing, she's only recent;y
> returning to it because.like m
On 12/17/2012 05:41 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/17/2012 02:23 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
because she couldn't get a grasp of the "Workspace" features and Unity
she "scrapped the entire thing, she's only recent;y returning to it
because.like me.she's intrigued by something that WORKS.
On 12/17/2012 02:23 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
because she couldn't get a grasp of the "Workspace" features and Unity
she "scrapped the entire thing, she's only recent;y returning to it
because.like me.she's intrigued by something that WORKS...but is
different! I guess it takes all
On 12/17/2012 03:37 AM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Joe Zeff sent:
There's not enough reward for most people, no. That's not to say that
it can't be done or that somebody won't have the right combination of
skills and low self-esteem needed to do something like this just
On 12/17/2012 03:28 AM, Tim wrote:
Tim:
The honour system, in the computing fraternity, at least, died long
ago.
Viruses, trojans, spyware, facebook...
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
And yet...I don't hear often of many Linux machines getting hacked or
being infected with viruses, as much as oth
On 12/17/2012 03:21 AM, Tim wrote:
Tim:
Surely you're not serious? Do you really think people bother to do so?
Most don't, even less would know that they should. That's evidenced by
the massive numbers of infected computers.
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
I should have clarified: I meant that m
On 12/17/2012 12:03 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
No. There's one too many there. Everybody knows that there's only
three, starting with, "Lions and tigers and bears, Oh My! Lions and
tigers and bears!"
Like, totally, fer sure.
y'know.:-)
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On 12/17/2012 12:50 AM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/17/2012 04:28 PM, Tim wrote:
I'm disappointed that my inclusion of "facebook" in that "bad" list
didn't even get a wry smiley...
That because you phrased it "wrong"
It should have been
Viruses, trojans, spyware, and facebook, Oh My!
On 12/17/2012 10:19 PM, Tim wrote:
> Tim:
>>> I'm disappointed that my inclusion of "facebook" in that "bad" list
>>> didn't even get a wry smiley...
> Ed Greshko:
>> That because you phrased it "wrong"
>>
>> It should have been
>>
>> Viruses, trojans, spyware, and facebook, Oh My!
> Sai
Tim:
>> I'm disappointed that my inclusion of "facebook" in that "bad" list
>> didn't even get a wry smiley...
Ed Greshko:
> That because you phrased it "wrong"
>
> It should have been
>
> Viruses, trojans, spyware, and facebook, Oh My!
Said in a George Takei voice? ;-)
But, it was
On 12/17/2012 07:50 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 12/17/2012 04:28 PM, Tim wrote:
I'm disappointed that my inclusion of "facebook" in that "bad" list
didn't even get a wry smiley...
That because you phrased it "wrong"
It should have been
Viruses, trojans, spyware, and facebook, Oh My!
On 12/17/2012 04:28 PM, Tim wrote:
> I'm disappointed that my inclusion of "facebook" in that "bad" list
> didn't even get a wry smiley...
That because you phrased it "wrong"
It should have been
Viruses, trojans, spyware, and facebook, Oh My!
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Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Joe Zeff sent:
> There's not enough reward for most people, no. That's not to say that
> it can't be done or that somebody won't have the right combination of
> skills and low self-esteem needed to do something like this just for
> bragging rights, but th
On Mon, 17 Dec 2012 18:58:52 +1030
Tim wrote:
> Tim:
> I'm disappointed that my inclusion of "facebook" in that "bad" list
> didn't even get a wry smiley...
Actually, Ithough the line would make a good sig.
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Tim:
>> The honour system, in the computing fraternity, at least, died long
>> ago.
>>
>> Viruses, trojans, spyware, facebook...
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
> And yet...I don't hear often of many Linux machines getting hacked or
> being infected with viruses, as much as other OS'es(don't want
Tim:
>> Surely you're not serious? Do you really think people bother to do so?
>> Most don't, even less would know that they should. That's evidenced by
>> the massive numbers of infected computers.
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
> I should have clarified: I meant that most people who use Linux are
On 16.12.2012, Reindl Harald wrote:
> /etc/rkhunter.conf.local is your friend
> you can not expect any intrusion detection working out of
> the box for your environment without take care to eliminate
> false positives while not step over real intrusions
Here you take for granted that I'm runni
On 12/16/2012 07:42 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/16/2012 04:25 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So thenthere's not enough REWARD for anyone to even ATTEMPT
something such as this?.well I for one am glad! Makes it a little
easier to sleep at night! LoL!
There's not enough reward for most p
On 12/16/2012 06:55 PM, Tim wrote:
Tim:
You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or
damage another one, just because they're an ass?
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
I can only hope that because of the integrity of most of the people
who use / support Open Sourcethat
On 12/16/2012 06:49 PM, Tim wrote:
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
The days of people just blindly clicking on a link.or
downloading a fileor running an app just because it comes from a
"trusted" vendor...are over!
Surely you're not serious? Do you
On 12/16/2012 04:25 PM, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
So thenthere's not enough REWARD for anyone to even ATTEMPT
something such as this?.well I for one am glad! Makes it a little
easier to sleep at night! LoL!
There's not enough reward for most people, no. That's not to say that
it ca
On 12/16/2012 03:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/16/2012 09:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
the first and largest mistake in context security you can make
is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make
sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security
OK, what do you, personall
On 12/16/2012 03:04 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/16/2012 09:02 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard.
One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing
different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small
fract
On 12/16/2012 12:12 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
Am 16.12.2012 18:02, schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:17:50 +1030,
Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
or if you don't tr
Tim:
>> You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus repo, or
>> damage another one, just because they're an ass?
Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
> I can only hope that because of the integrity of most of the people
> who use / support Open Sourcethat the people who WOULD do that a
Allegedly, on or about 16 December 2012, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. sent:
> The days of people just blindly clicking on a link.or
> downloading a fileor running an app just because it comes from a
> "trusted" vendor...are over!
Surely you're not serious? Do you really think people bother to
On 12/16/2012 10:04 AM, Phil Dobbin wrote:
On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local
network, this isn't a s
Am 16.12.2012 23:28, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 12/16/2012 02:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> 98% of all attacks and spam out there are from machines where
>> the owner said "oh i do not need more security and do not care"
>>
>> 90 % of this are home-machines beeing part of a botnet and the
>> rest vs
On 12/16/2012 02:06 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
98% of all attacks and spam out there are from machines where
the owner said "oh i do not need more security and do not care"
90 % of this are home-machines beeing part of a botnet and the
rest vservers of users missing any admin skill but think to
ne
On 12/16/2012 03:47 AM, Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local
network, this isn't a significant risk.
You don't think some malcon
Am 16.12.2012 22:53, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 12/16/2012 12:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> * trying to understand everything on my systems
>>that is why i hate useless changes in fedora
>>they often force to relearn things without benefit
>> * not confirm dialogs blindly
>> * not enter my r
Am 16.12.2012 22:37, schrieb Heinz Diehl:
> On 16.12.2012, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine
>
> If you really know your installation you could consider aide.
> Chkrootkit and rkhunter have produced a lot of false alarms on my
> machine...
>
> http://aide.
On 12/16/2012 12:11 PM, Reindl Harald wrote:
* trying to understand everything on my systems
that is why i hate useless changes in fedora
they often force to relearn things without benefit
* not confirm dialogs blindly
* not enter my root-password where it is no expected to be needed
* not
On 16.12.2012, Reindl Harald wrote:
> * use chkrootkit and rkhunter on any machine
If you really know your installation you could consider aide.
Chkrootkit and rkhunter have produced a lot of false alarms on my
machine...
http://aide.sourceforge.net/
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Am 16.12.2012 21:07, schrieb Joe Zeff:
> On 12/16/2012 09:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> the first and largest mistake in context security you can make
>> is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make
>> sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security
>
> OK, what do yo
On 12/16/2012 09:12 AM, Reindl Harald wrote:
the first and largest mistake in context security you can make
is to think you are secure but not have the knowledge to make
sure it is so - goodwill and hope is no base for security
OK, what do you, personally, do to protect your LAN from this type
On 12/16/2012 09:02 AM, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
They have to get people to use such a repo, which is going to be hard.
One could get away with it perhaps for a little while by showing
different data to users and to the mirror checker. And only a small
fraction of people are going to end up using s
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 18:12:13 +0100,
Reindl Harald wrote:
nothing easier as to point you to another repo with /etc/hosts
if something goes wrong on your machine - it is enough if you
are ONE TIME ente your root-password in the wrong dialog and
after pointing you to a modified repo you get
Am 16.12.2012 18:02, schrieb Bruno Wolff III:
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:17:50 +1030,
> Tim wrote:
>> On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>>> Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
>>> or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on
On Sun, Dec 16, 2012 at 19:17:50 +1030,
Tim wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local
network, this isn't a significant risk.
You don
On 12/16/2012 08:47 AM, Tim wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
>> Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
>> or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local
>> network, this isn't a significant risk.
>
> You don't thin
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 11:18 -0600, Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> Unless you think you have a chance of being singled out by a goverment
> or if you don't trust some of the people/machines on your local
> network, this isn't a significant risk.
You don't think some malcontent might try to set up a bogus
On 12/15/2012 03:17 PM, Phil Dobbin wrote:
On 12/15/2012 05:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 09:53 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
On 12/15/2012 09:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
preupgrade is going away in f18.
It's bei
On 12/15/2012 05:18 PM, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote:
> On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 09:53 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
>> On 12/15/2012 09:07 AM, Tim wrote:
>>> On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
preupgrade is going away in f18.
It's being replaced by fedup.
On Sat, 15 Dec 2012 11:18:00 -0600
Bruno Wolff III wrote:
> On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 09:53:56 -0500,
>"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote:
> >On 12/15/2012 09:07 AM, Tim wrote:
> >>On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >>>preupgrade is going away in f18.
> >>>It's being replaced b
On Sat, 2012-12-15 at 09:53 -0500, Eddie G. O'Connor Jr. wrote:
> On 12/15/2012 09:07 AM, Tim wrote:
> > On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> >> preupgrade is going away in f18.
> >>
> >> It's being replaced by fedup.
> >>
> >> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp
> > Sounds
On Sat, Dec 15, 2012 at 09:53:56 -0500,
"Eddie G. O'Connor Jr." wrote:
On 12/15/2012 09:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
preupgrade is going away in f18.
It's being replaced by fedup.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp
Sounds like an April 1st gag.
Y
On 12/15/2012 09:07 AM, Tim wrote:
On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
preupgrade is going away in f18.
It's being replaced by fedup.
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp
Sounds like an April 1st gag.
Yes, I did look at the page.
So.according to the site, there's a
On Fri, 2012-12-14 at 13:08 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> preupgrade is going away in f18.
>
> It's being replaced by fedup.
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/FedUp
Sounds like an April 1st gag.
Yes, I did look at the page.
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 12:20:03 -0800
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/14/2012 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> > It's being replaced by fedup.
>
> I know it's wandering off-topic, but I have to ask: did any of the
> Fedora devs consider what that sounds like? I don't know about you,
> but there are many ot
On 12/14/2012 12:08 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
It's being replaced by fedup.
I know it's wandering off-topic, but I have to ask: did any of the
Fedora devs consider what that sounds like? I don't know about you, but
there are many other names that I would find far more appropriate than
Fed Up!
On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 20:04:50 + (UTC)
Beartooth wrote:
>
> Any prognosis about using preupgrade from F17? How about from
> F14? The F17 machines are all running xfce now; the F14 one is still
> on Gnome2, but will most likely want to switch to xfce. Is it better
> to do that one way th
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