Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-07 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
I believe USB data, at least USB-3 data is checksummed. Power is another issue. On Fri, 2019-03-08 at 01:12 +1030, Tim via users wrote: > Allegedly, on or about 2 March 2019, Robin Laing sent: > > Biggest villain is the cheap USB cables that cannot supply the > > necessary current. Even within

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-07 Thread Tim via users
Allegedly, on or about 2 March 2019, Robin Laing sent: > Biggest villain is the cheap USB cables that cannot supply the > necessary current. Even within some computers. Front panel sockets that have a flylead to the motherboard can be really thin and weedy. Some are tiny ribbon cables. I would

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-05 Thread Anthony F McInerney
On Tue, 5 Mar 2019 at 07:05, Ed Greshko wrote: > > On 3/5/19 12:05 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > > > The disk in the drive tells you good or bad. I believe this > > is called CRC, but I may be wrong. > > I don't think it would be the drive's responsibility. > Due to these statements and t

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-04 Thread Ed Greshko
On 3/5/19 12:05 PM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > > The disk in the drive tells you good or bad.  I believe this > is called CRC, but I may be wrong. I don't think it would be the drive's responsibility. The data packets sent on the USB bus are sent with a CRC (Cyclic Redundant Check) code. 

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/4/19 7:37 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: On 2/28/19 4:41 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have persistent problems with small USB hard drives that I use for backup. The backup utility is the rsnapshot, which is set up to back up m

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-04 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: > > On 2/28/19 4:41 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > I have persistent problems with small USB hard drives that I use for > > backup. The backup utility is the rsnapshot, which is set up to back up > > my system incrementally every

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/3/19 5:33 PM, Fred Smith wrote: Being lazy, I just access it via SMB from all computers in the house (I'm the only one using Linux, everybody else is in bed with Windoze). Couldn't be bothered to configure NFS. I have found over the years that it is better to all use the same protocol if s

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-04 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/3/19 3:53 PM, Dave Ihnat wrote: On Sun, Mar 03, 2019 at 03:30:09PM -0800, Community support for Fedora users wrote: In my experience, USB3 and Ethernet are about tied with each other for speed. It does not matter how fast your Ethernet goes, if your computer can not process the data. eSa

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-03 Thread Fred Smith
On Sun, Mar 03, 2019 at 03:30:09PM -0800, ToddAndMargo via users wrote: > On 3/2/19 8:24 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > >On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: > >>What I have been lately, is building my own with drives > >>with Rosewill backup cases (RX304-APU3-35B). I po

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-03 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sun, Mar 03, 2019 at 03:30:09PM -0800, Community support for Fedora users wrote: > In my experience, USB3 and Ethernet are about tied with each other > for speed. It does not matter how fast your Ethernet goes, if > your computer can not process the data. eSata runs at the speed of > internal

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-03 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/2/19 8:24 AM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: What I have been lately, is building my own with drives with Rosewill backup cases (RX304-APU3-35B). I populate them with Western Digital drives What are the advantages/disadvantages of

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-03 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/1/19 5:03 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: On 2/28/19 4:41 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have persistent problems with small USB hard drives that I use for backup. What I have been lately, is building my own with drives with Ro

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-03 Thread Tim via users
On Sat, 2019-03-02 at 08:07 -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > Is anything better than printouts on archival quality paper? Punchcards! -- uname -rsvp Linux 3.10.0-957.5.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Feb 1 14:54:57 UTC 2019 x86_64 Boilerplate: All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically dele

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Robin Laing
On 01/03/2019 18:02, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 07:02 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Jonathan Ryshpan writes: The latest drive is a replacement given to me by Seagate; they said that the drive had failed and had to be replaced, which they did, since it was still under warrant

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 11:00:46AM -0700, Joe Zeff wrote: > Hieroglyphics also work well. Ah...not so much. Remember what happened to Akhenaten. And yes, I said I'd shut up... -- Dave Ihnat ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.or

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Joe Zeff
On 03/02/2019 09:34 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: There really isn't an answer. Historically, cuneiform clay tablets seem to be a good bet, but data density sucks. Hieroglyphics also work well. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsub

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Sat, Mar 02, 2019 at 08:07:21AM -0800, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > On a related topic, what can be recommended for archival storage -- > decades or maybe even centuries? ... You, my friend, have named an issue that is still unresolved. NASA bet on a gold-plated copper record. Researchers are l

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: > What I have been lately, is building my own with drives > with Rosewill backup cases (RX304-APU3-35B). I populate > them with Western Digital drives What are the advantages/disadvantages of this approach vs. NAS. Here's what lo

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 08:07 -0600, Dave Ihnat wrote: > On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 05:06:38AM -0800, Community support for Fedora users > wrote: > > I have noticed that my customers who go out and buy external > > USB mechanical drive drives for backup never have any > > "last". They always go bad...

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Richard Shaw
On Fri, Mar 1, 2019 at 8:07 AM Dave Ihnat wrote: > > Synology NAS--usually a 2-disk unit--using Ironwolf NAS drives. (You can > use WD Red depending on performance, price and preference.) Size to the > client's server(s), mount using iSCSI. StarTech (or other vendor--find > your sweet spot) US

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-02 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Sat, 2019-03-02 at 11:23 +0800, Ed Greshko wrote: > On 3/2/19 9:57 AM, Tim via users wrote: > > I prefer NAS (doing the same kind of thing over the LAN). > > Indeed. Unless one has a need to carry around the drive I wouldn't use a USB > enclosure. > And, if I did have to carry around a driv

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 3/1/19 5:00 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 11:46 +, Tim Waugh wrote: Have you looked at the SMART data for these drives? It might be worth paying particular attention to the "Reallocation Event Count" and "Reallocated Sectors Count". If the first is larger than the sec

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Ed Greshko
On 3/2/19 9:57 AM, Tim via users wrote: > > I prefer NAS (doing the same kind of thing over the LAN). Indeed.  Unless one has a need to carry around the drive I wouldn't use a USB enclosure.  And, if I did have to carry around a drive, I'd use a SSD and not a HDD. I've had a 2-Bay NAS for home

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Tim via users
On 2/3/19 11:32 am, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: The drives are connected directly to the computer via a USB link. I have suspected that the problem is related to my system, however Todd Chester in another reply to my posting says that these cheap drives are not to be trusted. I'm going to take his

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 05:06 -0800, Todd Chester via users wrote: > > On 2/28/19 4:41 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > > I have persistent problems with small USB hard drives that I use for > > backup. > > What I have been lately, is building my own with drives > with Rosewill backup cases (RX304-AP

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 07:02 -0500, Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Jonathan Ryshpan writes: > > > The latest drive is a replacement given to me by Seagate; they said that > > the > > drive had failed and had to be replaced, which they did, since it was still > > > > under warranty. It's not exactly

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Jonathan Ryshpan
On Fri, 2019-03-01 at 11:46 +, Tim Waugh wrote: > On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 00:42, Jonathan Ryshpan > wrote: > > The drive also produces an occasional beeping sound: pitch about > > 340 cps (my best guess using a tuner), lasting about 250 msec. The > > beeps happen when the drive is in use, parti

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread ToddAndMargo via users
On 3/1/19 6:07 AM, Dave Ihnat wrote: I've noticed three consistent theme over the years: o Tape is still*expensive* to set up and maintain. o Clients hate tape. o Clients won't change tapes or disks. AMEN! Consultants hate tapes too. And they are slower than the dickens trying to r

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Dave Ihnat
On Fri, Mar 01, 2019 at 05:06:38AM -0800, Community support for Fedora users wrote: > I have noticed that my customers who go out and buy external > USB mechanical drive drives for backup never have any > "last". They always go bad. Some so bad that they hang > the USB port and the computer won'

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Todd Chester via users
On 2/28/19 4:41 PM, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: I have persistent problems with small USB hard drives that I use for backup. The backup utility is the rsnapshot, which is set up to back up my system incrementally every day starting about 3:00am. The backup fails occasionally; when this happens th

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Jonathan Ryshpan writes: The latest drive is a replacement given to me by Seagate; they said that the drive had failed and had to be replaced, which they did, since it was still under warranty. It's not exactly new by refurbished. It started to beep after being used for about 4 days. Doe

Re: (OT) Beeping drives used for backup

2019-03-01 Thread Tim Waugh
On Fri, 1 Mar 2019 at 00:42, Jonathan Ryshpan wrote: > The drive also produces an occasional beeping sound: pitch about 340 cps > (my best guess using a tuner), lasting about 250 msec. The beeps happen > when the drive is in use, particularly when it's busy, and never when the > drive is starting