Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-28 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Sun, Feb 28, 2010 at 1:47 PM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:08:38AM -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: >> On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: >> >> Ooops! Maybe the discussion is not over :) >> >> I understand not much of this, so let me try to sum this up in

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-28 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 11:08:38AM -0500, Marcel Rieux wrote: > On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > Ooops! Maybe the discussion is not over :) > > I understand not much of this, so let me try to sum this up in a > know-nothing friendly way. > > They use nvidia multi gpu

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-27 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Sat, Feb 27, 2010 at 8:36 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: Ooops! Maybe the discussion is not over :) I understand not much of this, so let me try to sum this up in a know-nothing friendly way. They use nvidia multi gpu video cards for routing. Hence, they don't face the interrupts problems so soo

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-27 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 01:41:11PM -0800, Rick Stevens wrote: > On 02/26/2010 03:02 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 03:27:53PM +, Michal wrote: > >> On 25/02/2010 14:00, Chris Adams wrote: > >>> Once upon a time, Marcel Rieux said: > I was under the impression that,

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-26 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Fri, Feb 26, 2010 at 4:41 PM, Rick Stevens wrote: > So long as the firewall doesn't have to handle too many rules and the > routing decisions are minimal.  At those traffic levels, the system > would be swamped with interrupts anyway. Err... I believe we're though with this discussion :) Fire

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-26 Thread Rick Stevens
On 02/26/2010 03:02 AM, Pasi Kärkkäinen wrote: > On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 03:27:53PM +, Michal wrote: >> On 25/02/2010 14:00, Chris Adams wrote: >>> Once upon a time, Marcel Rieux said: I was under the impression that, at most small ISPs, Linux had replaced Unix and played a central r

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-26 Thread Pasi Kärkkäinen
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 03:27:53PM +, Michal wrote: > On 25/02/2010 14:00, Chris Adams wrote: > > Once upon a time, Marcel Rieux said: > >> I was under the impression that, at most small ISPs, Linux had > >> replaced Unix and played a central role in making things work. But > >> today, I spoke

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 3:34 PM, Chris Adams wrote: > I run Linux everywhere it makes sense, and have for more years than most > (I've been running Linux-based ISPs for over 14 years and Linux on my > desktop for longer than that).  It just doesn't make sense in an ISP > environment to run Linux

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread birger
On Thu, 2010-02-25 at 08:11 -0800, Don Quixote de la Mancha wrote: > That's the whole reason that Red Hat actually does good business by > charging such a collossal price for Red Hat Enterprise Linux. According to my boss the license costs for my RHEL servers are less than the rounding errors in t

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Marcel Rieux said: > Vyatta Appliance, Vyatta 3520, Premium Subscription, H/W Expedited 4HR, 3 > Years > > Vyatta Appliance, Vyatta 3520, Premium Subscription, H/W Expedited 4HR > Parts & Labor, 3 Years (ships with US Power Cord as standard) > (Typically ships in 15-17 business

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Marcel Rieux
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Tom H wrote: >> Servers don't really make good routers.  When you are talking about >> traditional low- to mid-speed telco circuits (T1, T3), there have never >> been good, well-supported, cost-effective solutions for connecting those >> directly to Linux systems

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Tom H said: > How about Vyatta? They are Linux-based and claim to have the same > performance as Cisco routers. They started out as software-only but > seem to be pushing "appliances" more and more, like > http://www.vyatta.com/downloads/datasheets/vyatta_3500_datasheet.pdf If I

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Jake Peavy
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 11:41 AM, Tom H wrote: > > Servers don't really make good routers. When you are talking about > > traditional low- to mid-speed telco circuits (T1, T3), there have never > > been good, well-supported, cost-effective solutions for connecting those > > directly to Linux sys

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Tom H
> Servers don't really make good routers.  When you are talking about > traditional low- to mid-speed telco circuits (T1, T3), there have never > been good, well-supported, cost-effective solutions for connecting those > directly to Linux systems for routing that could compete with a basic > Junipe

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Don Quixote de la Mancha
On Thu, Feb 25, 2010 at 7:17 AM, Bill Davidsen wrote: > Remember > that staff are paid, and someone looking at a router issue is not doing > something else. fact of life, when you get larger than "mom and pop" ISP > operations Cisco or similar is cheaper than Linux. That's the whole reason that R

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Michal
On 25/02/2010 14:00, Chris Adams wrote: > Once upon a time, Marcel Rieux said: >> I was under the impression that, at most small ISPs, Linux had >> replaced Unix and played a central role in making things work. But >> today, I spoke to an ISP employee who told me that Linux was only used >> for We

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Bill Davidsen
Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 02/24/2010 10:33 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: >> Is this correct? Are there more explanations you can provide to make >> the picture clearer? >> > > Cisco has been allowed into the classroom in many high schools here in > the USA. They teach you to use Cisco, and only Ci

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-25 Thread Chris Adams
Once upon a time, Marcel Rieux said: > I was under the impression that, at most small ISPs, Linux had > replaced Unix and played a central role in making things work. But > today, I spoke to an ISP employee who told me that Linux was only used > for Web servers and that, for routing and firewallin

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-24 Thread Marcus D. Leech
On 02/25/2010 12:46 AM, Michael Cronenworth wrote: > On 02/24/2010 10:33 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: >> Is this correct? Are there more explanations you can provide to make >> the picture clearer? >> > > Cisco has been allowed into the classroom in many high schools here in > the USA. They teach you

Re: OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-24 Thread Michael Cronenworth
On 02/24/2010 10:33 PM, Marcel Rieux wrote: Is this correct? Are there more explanations you can provide to make the picture clearer? Cisco has been allowed into the classroom in many high schools here in the USA. They teach you to use Cisco, and only Cisco, for all your networking needs.

OT: ISPs: Linux's role nowadays

2010-02-24 Thread Marcel Rieux
I was under the impression that, at most small ISPs, Linux had replaced Unix and played a central role in making things work. But today, I spoke to an ISP employee who told me that Linux was only used for Web servers and that, for routing and firewalling, nobody escaped companies Cisco and Juniper