Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-26 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-01-25 at 16:24 -0500, Jonathan Billings wrote: > On Jan 25, 2022, at 12:03, Patrick O'Callaghan > wrote: > > > > > > Perhaps not impossible, but certainly more difficult. I attribute > > this > > to the poor quality of much documentation. Gone are the good ol' > > days > > of UNIX w

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Horsley writes: On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 18:43:19 -0500 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > 2) Stuff that crammed down everyone's throat, for various non-technical > reasons and, otherwise, they have no technical merit of advantage that > anyone can identify and point to. At least NM had a reasonably vali

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 18:43:19 -0500 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > 2) Stuff that crammed down everyone's throat, for various non-technical > reasons and, otherwise, they have no technical merit of advantage that > anyone can identify and point to. At least NM had a reasonably valid reason - wireless

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Patrick O'Callaghan writes: Perhaps not impossible, but certainly more difficult. I attribute this to the poor quality of much documentation. Gone are the good ol' days of UNIX when everything was in the man pages (as long as you had the patience to read them). Many tools nowadays don't even ha

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Horsley writes: Not all of it though, there were still a few more things for google to turn up (like setting bridge.stp making it start 100 times faster). I do have a server with a bridge and a hosted VM that uses it. The server predated the existence of NetworkManager. At some point in

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Jonathan Billings
On Jan 25, 2022, at 12:03, Patrick O'Callaghan wrote: > > > Perhaps not impossible, but certainly more difficult. I attribute this > to the poor quality of much documentation. Gone are the good ol' days > of UNIX when everything was in the man pages (as long as you had the > patience to read the

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 13:05:48 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > When > was the last time you tried to use it? A few years ago no doubt. It wasn't just the OK button. Value fields I wanted to type in were inactive, etc. This is one of my many objections to "helpful" GUI tools. At least the command line t

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/25/22 12:52, Tom Horsley wrote: On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:46:47 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: It allows you to create and edit any type of network interface Only if the "OK" button isn't grayed out. There is no OK button now. But I do remember a long time ago that there was a field (I think

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 12:46:47 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > It > allows you to create and edit any type of network interface Only if the "OK" button isn't grayed out. ___ users mailing list -- users@lists.fedoraproject.org To unsubscribe send an email to u

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/25/22 06:28, Tom Horsley wrote: On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:17:06 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: Install "nm-connection-editor" and it's easy. Not remotely correct unless perhaps you are the author and know what the gibberish it presents means. All my attempts to use it mostly left me with all the

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Patrick O'Callaghan
On Tue, 2022-01-25 at 09:24 -0500, Tom Horsley wrote: > > But there's just one problem. If you need to do a basic task, like > > that, you  > > have absolutely no clue where to begin. > > Without google, linux itself would be impossible :-) Perhaps not impossible, but certainly more difficult.

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 25.01.2022 um 15:30 schrieb James Szinger : > > On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 01:48:24 +0100 > Peter Boy wrote: > >> ... >> >> Konfiguration is much easier and it causes less system load. The only >> disadvantage is that the VMs cannot communicate directly with the >> host. But it is usually bette

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread James Szinger
On Tue, 25 Jan 2022 01:48:24 +0100 Peter Boy wrote: > If you want your VMs to have access to the public network, then you > have to share the host's public interface. The most convenient option > is mac-vlan and to avoid a bridge. You don’t need to configure the > host interface, but just the VMs

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 19:17:06 -0800 Samuel Sieb wrote: > Install "nm-connection-editor" and it's easy. Not remotely correct unless perhaps you are the author and know what the gibberish it presents means. All my attempts to use it mostly left me with all the controls disabled and no hint of what i

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-25 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 21:20:50 -0500 Sam Varshavchik wrote: > But there's just one problem. If you need to do a basic task, like that, you > have absolutely no clue where to begin. Without google, linux itself would be impossible :-). I got most of that from a google search when led me here: htt

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 25.01.2022 um 03:47 schrieb Alex : > > I'm an old-school sysadmin from > before NetworkManager existed. Welcome to the club. But I still learned to appreciate Cockpit. It saves a lot of typing (and typos). Nevertheless you can use mac-vlan / mac-vtap to connect your VM(s) to the int

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/24/22 18:20, Sam Varshavchik wrote: Tom Horsley writes: I setup a bridge on my system with nmcli (since the GUI interface was hopeless). I think these notes might be correct: nmcli con show nmcli con add ifname br0 type bridge con-name br0 nmcli con add type bridge-slave ifname eth0 maste

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Samuel Sieb
On 1/24/22 18:47, Alex wrote: This is an internet facing server only - only one interface and no internal network. I should have mentioned the VMs (kvm) will have their own public IPs so we don't have to reverse masq them. Tips on how to set it up to support a kvm/qemu instance with a public IP

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Richard Megginson
On Mon, Jan 24, 2022 at 9:21 PM Sam Varshavchik wrote: > Tom Horsley writes: > > > I setup a bridge on my system with nmcli (since the GUI interface was > > hopeless). I think these notes might be correct: > > > > nmcli con show > > nmcli con add ifname br0 type bridge con-name br0 > > nmcli con

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Alex
> > Hi, can someone tell me if these instructions still work with fedora35 > > to build a bridge? > > > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2-networkscripts-interfaces_network-bridge.html > > In addition to Tom’s answer, with F36 it will no longer work

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Sam Varshavchik
Tom Horsley writes: I setup a bridge on my system with nmcli (since the GUI interface was hopeless). I think these notes might be correct: nmcli con show nmcli con add ifname br0 type bridge con-name br0 nmcli con add type bridge-slave ifname eth0 master br0 nmcli con down "Wired connection 1"

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Peter Boy
> Am 24.01.2022 um 23:45 schrieb Alex : > > Hi, can someone tell me if these instructions still work with fedora35 > to build a bridge? > > https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2-networkscripts-interfaces_network-bridge.html In addition to Tom’s answ

Re: Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Tom Horsley
On Mon, 24 Jan 2022 17:45:14 -0500 Alex wrote: > Hi, can someone tell me if these instructions still work with fedora35 > to build a bridge? They might, but resistance is futile, you might as well use NetworkManager now before it becomes the only option. I setup a bridge on my system with nmcli

Network bridge with network-scripts

2022-01-24 Thread Alex
Hi, can someone tell me if these instructions still work with fedora35 to build a bridge? https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/18/html/System_Administrators_Guide/s2-networkscripts-interfaces_network-bridge.html This is for a headless server that I'd like to use to build a bunch of virtual