On 4/5/19 5:11 PM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
It was perhaps worth a mention
that a vendor only supported RHEL and you asked for
information that might help them consider Fedora.
Hi Todd,
Oh no. They do already support Fedora as well as
Ubuntu.
They just always complain when a bug shows up in
t
On 4/6/19 8:11 AM, Todd Zullinger wrote:
> The repeated complaints about RHEL are simply not on topic
> here. Please refrain from it in the future.
+1
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Hi,
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> As I told Steven:
>
> "If you look at the original posting, you will understand.
> A vendor is giving me a bad time about running an "unstable"
> OS and tells me I should be running RHEL or clones instead.
> So the comparison needed to be made."
On 4/5/19 4:00 PM, Stephen Perkins wrote:
+1 (or more)
/* begin rant:
I seldom post to the list, but I read each and every post everyday.
IMHO the signal is buried by the noise.
I have used RedHat since 1998, ver. 5.2, switched to Fedora in 2003,
and been here ever since. I run Fedora 29, bot
On 4/5/19 4:00 PM, Stephen Perkins wrote:
I fail to understand why posters choose to trash RHEL on this list
If you look at the original posting, you will understand. A vendor
is giving me a bad time about running an "unstable" OS and tells me
I should be running RHEL or clones instead. So the
On 4/5/19 2:36 PM, DJ Delorie wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users writes:
Okay one last slam at RHEL:
As someone who works full-time on RHEL[*], please consider that your
understanding of what RHEL is and who it is for may color your
experience with it. You are not the ideal RHEL customer, so of
+1 (or more)
/* begin rant:
I seldom post to the list, but I read each and every post everyday.
IMHO the signal is buried by the noise.
I have used RedHat since 1998, ver. 5.2, switched to Fedora in 2003,
and been here ever since. I run Fedora 29, both X86_64 and i686 on a
workstation (X86_64)
Hi,
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Okay one last slam at RHEL:
Yes, please and thank you, let that be the last one. :)
It's really not appropriate for this forum. We're here to
talk about Fedora, not gripe about any other distributions.
Thanks,
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ToddAndMargo via users writes:
> Okay one last slam at RHEL:
As someone who works full-time on RHEL[*], please consider that your
understanding of what RHEL is and who it is for may color your
experience with it. You are not the ideal RHEL customer, so of course
it doesn't meet your strict need
On 4/4/19 11:12 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 08:51:32PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 3/31/19 4:51 PM, David Dusanic wrote:
Fedora is bleeding edge
Not really. It is the next thing that is stable after the
bleeding edge. Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the ke
On 4/4/19 11:06 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 03:20:10PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground
On 4/4/19 11:12 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 08:51:32PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 3/31/19 4:51 PM, David Dusanic wrote:
Fedora is bleeding edge
Not really. It is the next thing that is stable after the
bleeding edge. Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the ke
On 4/4/19 11:15 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 06:30:21PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
I've had so many bug reports to Fedora go ignored, only to have them
auto-close when the version I filed against goes EOL. I rarely even
bother filing bugs against it anymore.
Yeah, this is frust
On 4/4/19 1:42 PM, Thomas Dineen wrote:
That's it! that's the ticket!
Proposed statement on Fedora's purpose:
"To cause servers to use more power!"
Without this the entire economy collapses!
Thomas Dineen
You two are funny bunnies!
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That's it! that's the ticket!
Proposed statement on Fedora's purpose:
"To cause servers to use more power!"
Without this the entire economy collapses!
Thomas Dineen
On 4/4/2019 1:38 PM, John Harris wrote:
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:37:01 PM EDT Thomas Dineen wrote:
GentlePeople:
I t
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 4:37:01 PM EDT Thomas Dineen wrote:
> GentlePeople:
>
> I that you haven't observed this by now!
>
> Proposed statement on Fedora's purpose:
>
> "Fedora has no purpose it only exists!"
>
> Thomas Dineen
>
>
I seem to recall some comical "purpose" for Fedora, wr
GentlePeople:
I that you haven't observed this by now!
Proposed statement on Fedora's purpose:
"Fedora has no purpose it only exists!"
Thomas Dineen
On 4/4/2019 1:19 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 4/5/19 2:09 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 08:39:16AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote
On 4/5/19 2:09 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 08:39:16AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>> An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the 4.X kernel to the 5.X
>> kernel.
> Note that this isn't *really* an extreme case — there's no bigger difference
> in that increase than from
On Mon, Apr 01, 2019 at 06:30:21PM -0400, Digimer wrote:
> I've had so many bug reports to Fedora go ignored, only to have them
> auto-close when the version I filed against goes EOL. I rarely even
> bother filing bugs against it anymore.
Yeah, this is frustrating, but there's just plain more bugs
On Sun, Mar 31, 2019 at 08:51:32PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 3/31/19 4:51 PM, David Dusanic wrote:
> >Fedora is bleeding edge
> Not really. It is the next thing that is stable after the
> bleeding edge. Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the kernel.
Yeah, thank you Todd and Margo.
On Thursday, April 4, 2019 2:09:37 PM EDT Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 08:39:16AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
>
> > An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the 4.X kernel to the 5.X
> > kernel.
>
> Note that this isn't *really* an extreme case — there's no bigger
> differe
On Sat, Mar 30, 2019 at 08:39:16AM +0800, Ed Greshko wrote:
> An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the 4.X kernel to the 5.X
> kernel.
Note that this isn't *really* an extreme case — there's no bigger difference
in that increase than from 4.19 to 4.20. Linus Torvalds just doesn't like
On Fri, Mar 29, 2019 at 03:20:10PM -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
> because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
> a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
> Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL).
On 4/1/19 3:30 PM, Digimer wrote:
I've had so many bug reports to Fedora go ignored, only to have them
auto-close when the version I filed against goes EOL. I rarely even
bother filing bugs against it anymore.
Come to think of it, I have a few of those too. But
they were all non critical and I
On 4/1/19 3:07 PM, Tom Horsley wrote:
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:40:26 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I have several bug reports on RHEL that
are over five years old. That does not happen with Fedora.
Sure about that?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562
(11 years old now :-)
On 2019-04-01 6:07 p.m., Tom Horsley wrote:
> On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:40:26 -0700
> ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>
>> I have several bug reports on RHEL that
>> are over five years old. That does not happen with Fedora.
>
> Sure about that?
>
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562
On Mon, 1 Apr 2019 11:40:26 -0700
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> I have several bug reports on RHEL that
> are over five years old. That does not happen with Fedora.
Sure about that?
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=451562
(11 years old now :-).
On 4/1/19 11:23 AM, Digimer wrote:
On 2019-04-01 11:58 a.m., Beartooth wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
[]
I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy".
RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has
On 4/1/19 8:58 AM, Beartooth wrote:
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
[]
I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy".
RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has a
few bugs, but they are rapidly taken car
On 4/1/19 6:40 AM, David Dusanic wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users:
Not really. It is the next thing that is stable after the
bleeding edge. Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the kernel.
Are the repo's on the latest version? They are not.
Just the one behind it usually.
I look at Fedroa as up-t
On 4/1/19 6:34 AM, David Dusanic wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users:
But you can do that
with any OS by disabling the updates.
I would not recommend disabling updates. RHEL gives you updates, too but
they are security fixes and patches.
RHEL indeed does do minimal updates. Mostly security
On 4/1/19 4:47 AM, Roberto Ragusa wrote:
On 3/30/19 1:41 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I believe they may mean that within a given release there may be
updates which may update
a version of a library which is incompatible with their app.
An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the
On 2019-04-01 11:58 a.m., Beartooth wrote:
> On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> []
>> I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy".
>> RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has a
>> few bugs, but they are r
On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 20:51:32 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
[]
> I think that the term "stable" here should be replaced with "buggy".
> RHEL is intensely buggy and their bugs seldom get fixed; Fedora has a
> few bugs, but they are rapidly taken care of.
I'm confused, ma
ToddAndMargo via users:
Not really. It is the next thing that is stable after the
bleeding edge. Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the kernel.
Are the repo's on the latest version? They are not.
Just the one behind it usually.
I look at Fedroa as up-to-date, not bleeding edge. You
can get b
ToddAndMargo via users:
But you can do that
with any OS by disabling the updates.
I would not recommend disabling updates. RHEL gives you updates, too but
they are security fixes and patches.
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On 3/30/19 1:41 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I believe they may mean that within a given release there may be updates which
may update
a version of a library which is incompatible with their app.
An extreme case of this would be F29 going from the 4.X kernel to the 5.X
kernel.
Not quit
On 3/31/19 4:51 PM, David Dusanic wrote:
Fedora is bleeding edge
Not really. It is the next thing that is stable after the
bleeding edge. Think LibreOffice and Firefox and the kernel.
Are the repo's on the latest version? They are not.
Just the one behind it usually.
I look at Fedroa as up-
On 3/31/19 4:51 PM, David Dusanic wrote:
Fedora is 'unstable' in the sense of changing versions and adding new
features on top of the latest release. CentOS/RHEL stays on fixed
versions for a long time period giving you that kind of stability
without change that enterprises want.
I think the
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Anything on Fedora's relationship to Red Hat Enterprise Linux
(RHEL) and the assertion that Fedora only exists as a test
platform for testing RHEL?
Some people say that and Fedora is the future, how RHEL will look like.
Fedora is a community project sponsored by
On Mon, 01 Apr 2019 10:11:47 +1030
Tim via users wrote:
> In that case, then Fedora is a useful debugging tool that helps them
> predict the changes that they'll need to make for their product
> continue to work with RHEL, CentOS, etc.
That is absolutely the reason I run fedora on my desktop
at w
ToddAndMargo via users:
Hi All,
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). And as such, they only supported
RHEL and C
On Sun, 2019-03-31 at 15:04 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> It means they have a problem in their code and don't feel
> like fixing it. It is a different culture than open source.
In that case, then Fedora is a useful debugging tool that helps them
predict the changes that they'll need to
On 3/31/19 2:49 AM, Tim via users wrote:
On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 15:20 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
Hat
On Fri, 2019-03-29 at 15:20 -0700, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
> because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
> a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
> Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). And as su
On 3/30/19 9:35 PM, Rex Dieter wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
On 3/30/19 6:16 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> On 3/30/19 6:16 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
>> ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
>>> because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
>>> a stable release and is used only
On 3/30/19 6:16 AM, Rex Dieter wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
Hi All,
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL
ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
> because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
> a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
> Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). And as such, they only sup
On 3/29/19 7:16 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
ToddAndMargo via users writes:
On 3/29/19 6:37 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I bought a new laptop last month. The vendor had no issues preloading
F29 XFCE spin.
Who did you order it from?
thelinuxlaptop.com
Thank you!
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ToddAndMargo via users writes:
On 3/29/19 6:37 PM, Sam Varshavchik wrote:
I bought a new laptop last month. The vendor had no issues preloading F29
XFCE spin.
Who did you order it from?
thelinuxlaptop.com
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I bought a new laptop last month. The vendor had no issues preloading
F29 XFCE spin.
Who did you order it from?
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ToddAndMargo via users writes:
Hi All,
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). And as such, they only supported
RHE
On 3/29/19 5:39 PM, Ed Greshko wrote:
On 3/30/19 6:20 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
Hat Enterprise L
On 3/30/19 6:20 AM, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
>
> I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
> because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
> a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
> Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). And as such, they o
Hi All,
I just had a vendor tell me they do not support Fedora Server
because the the developers of Fedora had stated that it is not
a stable release and is used only as a testing ground for Red
Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL). And as such, they only supported
RHEL and Cent OS.
Huh ??
Fedor
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