On 29 December 2016 at 18:34, Javier Perez wrote:
> I remember reading years back about solutions that allowed Kernel upgrade
> without reboot. Ksplice and Kpatch comes to mind. Whatever happened to them?
>
>
The facilities arrived in kernel 4.0 with Red Hat and Suse working
together with kpatch
I remember reading years back about solutions that allowed Kernel upgrade
without reboot. Ksplice and Kpatch comes to mind. Whatever happened to them?
On Dec 21, 2016 07:43, "Matthew Miller" wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 08:06:27PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > > Neither systemd nor dnf are t
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 08:06:27PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> > Neither systemd nor dnf are to blame -- but wayland is a lot more
> > fragile in this regard under the current design.
> I'm not using wayland, so that isn't it.
It can happen in X, too, it's just that there it's more likely that
som
On Wednesday 21 December 2016 2:37:41 AM IST Rahul Sundaram wrote:
> You aren't in a rock and hard place though. Restarting is not strictly
> necessary. It is a good idea however. You can also choose to use a more
> conservative distribution and apply just security updates. C.f
> RHEL/CentOS.
On 12/20/2016 10:50 PM, Tim wrote:
Programmers like the easiest solution of doing what they want, and let
the user put up with the consequences. Users prefer things to be less
intrusive.
Correction: bad programmers do that and arrogant programmers assume that
everybody is going to want to do
Sudhir Khanger:
>> On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either
>> restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are
>> unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and restarting
>> them. That's unnecessary hassle and loss in productivity.
Bryo
On 12/21/2016 02:00 AM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:39:08 -0800
Joe Zeff wrote:
On 12/20/2016 03:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Depends on which part.
You can use dnf repoquery to list duplicates, leaf packages (now
"unneeded", which I don't think is an improvement in clarity, bu
Hi
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 7:09 PM Sudhir Khanger
>
>
> I think the bottom line is that you are caught between a rock and a hard
> place. Either take the productivity hit by updating and restarting or take
> the
> security hit by not updating.
>
You aren't in a rock and hard place though. Rest
On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 18:23:25 -0500
Matthew Miller wrote:
> Neither systemd nor dnf are to blame -- but wayland is a lot more
> fragile in this regard under the current design.
I'm not using wayland, so that isn't it.
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On Tue, 20 Dec 2016 15:39:08 -0800
Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 03:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > Depends on which part.
> >
> > You can use dnf repoquery to list duplicates, leaf packages (now
> > "unneeded", which I don't think is an improvement in clarity, but
> > whatever), orphans ("ext
On Wednesday 21 December 2016 7:02:43 AM IST Ed Greshko wrote:
> The bottom line is if someone feels compelled to follow the suggestion that
> you *should* reboot or that "should" is equivalent to *must* then just
> don't apply updates until ready to take the necessary action to *fully*
> apply the
On 12/20/2016 03:27 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
Depends on which part.
You can use dnf repoquery to list duplicates, leaf packages (now
"unneeded", which I don't think is an improvement in clarity, but
whatever), orphans ("extras", and ditto), unsatisfied deps (formerly
"problems", now "unsatisfie
On 12/21/16 06:54, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:27:48PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
>> The package yum-utils included the program needs-restarting, which
>> would tell you what running programs needed to be restarted because
>> of an update, although it didn't seem to go so far a
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 03:20:43PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> None, actually. Due to hardware issues and other distractions my
> desktop is still using F 21, so I still have yum and its utilities
> if needed. BTW, is there a dnf equivalent to package-cleanup? I've
> had to use it several times aft
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 06:20:37PM -0500, Tom Horsley wrote:
> A far bigger problem that needing to reboot is that
> dnf seems to sometimes wack libraries that are in
> use and make my X session and/or system crash in the middle of
> an update. I never had that happen with yum, but
> I've seen it a
On 12/20/2016 02:54 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
This thead actually*started* as comments about dnf-plugin-tracer,
which does exactly that.
What other yum utilities are you, at this point, missing?
None, actually. Due to hardware issues and other distractions my
desktop is still using F 21, so
A far bigger problem that needing to reboot is that
dnf seems to sometimes wack libraries that are in
use and make my X session and/or system crash in the middle of
an update. I never had that happen with yum, but
I've seen it a couple of times with dnf (though I
suspect it may have more to do with
On 12/21/16 06:27, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 02:14 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
>> After a significant number of updates, it's probably be a good idea to
>> reboot just to ensure you are using the latest kernel and that any
>> services that were updated have been restarted. How and when that
>>
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 02:27:48PM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> The package yum-utils included the program needs-restarting, which
> would tell you what running programs needed to be restarted because
> of an update, although it didn't seem to go so far as to tell you
> that you needed to reboot. Alas
On 12/20/2016 02:14 PM, Rick Stevens wrote:
After a significant number of updates, it's probably be a good idea to
reboot just to ensure you are using the latest kernel and that any
services that were updated have been restarted. How and when that
reboot cycle happens is completely up to you. You
On 12/20/2016 01:07 PM, Joe Zeff wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 12:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
>> On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:15:19AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
>>> And some of us are using distributed computing, such as BOINC and
>>> don't like interrupting the work.
>>
>> Aren't these things set up to be res
On 12/20/2016 12:26 PM, Matthew Miller wrote:
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:15:19AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
And some of us are using distributed computing, such as BOINC and
don't like interrupting the work.
Aren't these things set up to be resiliant to nodes going in and out?
Yes, of course th
On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 11:15:19AM -0800, Joe Zeff wrote:
> And some of us are using distributed computing, such as BOINC and
> don't like interrupting the work.
Aren't these things set up to be resiliant to nodes going in and out?
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On Tue, Dec 20, 2016 at 04:13:45PM +0530, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
> On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to
> either restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these
> options are unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and
> restarting them. That's unnece
On 12/20/2016 11:02 AM, George N. White III wrote:
Yes, some applications have a lengthy setup process and run for days, so
are not appropriate for a system that is rebooted frequently. At my work,
a window on one day a week is "reserved" for updates and possible reboots,
so users can schedule
On 20 December 2016 at 14:40, Samuel Sieb wrote:
> On 12/20/2016 02:43 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
>
>> On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either
>> restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are
>> unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 a
On 12/20/2016 02:43 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either
restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are
unacceptable because they require closing 10-15 apps and restarting
them. That's unnecessary hassle and loss in
On 12/20/2016 05:43 AM, Sudhir Khanger wrote:
Hi,
I update my Fedora Plasma desktop on a weekly basis. I have dnf tracer
plugin installed.
On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either
restart the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are
unacceptable bec
Hi,
I update my Fedora Plasma desktop on a weekly basis. I have dnf tracer plugin
installed.
On my weekly update I notice that I am almost always required to either restart
the session or reboot the system. Both of these options are unacceptable
because they require closing 10-15 apps and
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